tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post117409324498702433..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: The Roswell Slides - A Matter of ProvenanceKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70355107829596609312015-04-18T20:06:38.295-07:002015-04-18T20:06:38.295-07:00I agree that when the Alien Autopsy 'hoax'...I agree that when the Alien Autopsy 'hoax' was prominent in the media it didn't apparently "fit anything anyone else knew" - or, at least, what most of us were aware of in literature dealing with UFOs and Aliens. <br /><br />However, it does actually resemble certain other depictions of aliens:<br /><br />1) Head and shoulders sketch by Charles Moody of alien (or alien type) he encountered in 1975, published in National Enquirer (and on-line).<br /><br />2) Sketch by David Bowie of figure for back cover of his second album, released November 1969. The art by George Underwood that was used - based on that sketch by Bowie - has an alien with oversized head, somewhat resembling the one on the alien slide. <br /><br />3) Virgil Finlay Fantastic Universe, June 1957, cover art with crashed ufo and alien figure. The alien looks like a child version of the alien in the autopsy film.Daniel Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936796213773640538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-42011621495636913882015-04-16T21:46:53.971-07:002015-04-16T21:46:53.971-07:00George32 - I agree. When it first aired on Fox it...George32 - I agree. When it first aired on Fox it was pretty clear that it was a total scam - nothing about it fit anything anyone knew whether they were Roswellians or Skeptics. Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44593465917830253242015-04-16T13:30:46.765-07:002015-04-16T13:30:46.765-07:00We’ve seen this sort of Roswell alien scam before ...We’ve seen this sort of Roswell alien scam before --twenty years ago-- when a crook called Ray Santilli produced film footage which he claimed showed the autopsy of an alien body recovered from the supposed 1947 flying saucer crash near Roswell, NM. The footage had in fact been shot in London during 1994 and 1995 and the fake alien body was a dummy made from foam latex and filled with chicken entrails. The sensational “Alien Autopsy” film was then dangled like a carrot in front of UFO researchers and media people to produce the widest possible press coverage. The supposed cameraman who was claimed to have taken the film in 1947 never existed. The faked footage was sold (with a disclaimer) to various TV channels and other interested parties for large sums of money and it was estimated that Santilli may have collected a few million dollars from the scam.<br /><br />If you really want to produce a supposed Roswell sensation like the “Alien Autopsy”, here’s how it’s done in eight easy steps:-<br /><br />(1) Get an experienced special effects man to make your alien dummy or “mummified” alien corpse using foam latex, etc.<br /><br />(2) Film it to produce stills or video with modern digital cameras.<br /><br />(3) Blur the resulting film somewhat, apply fading (or yellow a bit if film is in color) and maybe add graininess, scratches, etc., using PhotoShop tools.<br /><br />(4) Transfer still film to old-style slides or, if using video, make it appear to be old 16 mm format. (Maybe have Kodak or other supplier of photographic film confirm that a small blank piece of film which you have sent them is from 1947.) <br /><br />(5) Prepare story of how the film was taken and the characters involved. Also make up story of how the film allegedly surfaced about 50 to 60 years later in unexpected circumstances. The name “Roswell” MUST be invoked with such a scam. <br /><br />(6) Identify and select target dupes who are UFO true believers and/or UFO celebrities like Jaime Maussan, Linda Howe, Don Schmitt, Adam Dew, etc. <br /><br />(7) Dangle this “Roswell” carrot by making the film(s) available to the selected few.<br /><br />(8) They, and the internet, will do all the rest. (NEVER admit what you have done!) <br /><br /><br />I suggest that the “Roswell Alien Slides” were produced in a similar manner and supplied to targeted individuals likely to take the bait. If that’s right, the #1 suspects are John Lundberg and Rob Irving. Both of them were in California in December 2013 where they were commissioned to make a huge elaborate crop circle near Chualar, CA, for Nvidia who wanted to publicize their ultrafast Tegra microchip. This chip was announced a week later at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. The giant crop circle resembled a precise replica of the Tegra microchip.<br /><br />In 2013 the film documentary “Mirage Men” was released and John Lundberg was its director. Lundberg has always been obsessed with disinformation and deception --especially with regard to the UFO subject. For 24 years he has been making crop circles, and faking UFO photos, etc., to fool the gullible and deceive those who believe in the paranormal. He and Rob Irving, plus Rod Dickinson, played a central role in making Ray Santilli’s 1995 “Roswell Alien Autopsy” footage and my analysis of this scam, published later that year, can be found at this link:-<br /><br />www.fsr.org.uk/fsrwng12.htm<br /><br />Is it simply a coincidence that the woman in the Roswell Slides story is called Hilda Ray (a real person)? Her name may have been used by the hoaxers since it combines the name HILDA (Hoaxed Irving Lundberg Dickinson Alien) which I gave to Santilli's alien autopsy dummy and the name RAY which is Santilli's first name. <br /><br />Apart from their work behind and in front of the camera, Lundberg and Dickinson were the experts who made foam latex dummies for a TV series on UK's Channel 4 back then called "Crapston Villas". If Lundberg and Irving have been up to their tricks again on this 20th anniversary of Santilli’s alien autopsy hoax, it seems very likely they may have been the creators of the “Roswell Alien Slides”.George32https://www.blogger.com/profile/05455072370140455784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33938454094751779512015-03-26T20:14:44.768-07:002015-03-26T20:14:44.768-07:00A few things:
Thanks for the back story on the Mc...A few things:<br /><br />Thanks for the back story on the McDonald illustrations. Seems to me the entire set of illustrations must be pure conjecture then based on Kaufmann's fake testimony. Was it a delta wing or saucer? On Fisher if the charts have now been adjusted then why do the aliens keep saying they are from Zeta? Sounds fishy.<br /><br />On the mummy - if the one depicted is in the Smithsonian all that would be needed is a follow-up consult with them to determine if the cadaver is their mummy.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31984578046259442572015-03-26T02:50:08.873-07:002015-03-26T02:50:08.873-07:00Hello all,
Only to mention 3 articles our team wr...Hello all,<br /><br />Only to mention 3 articles our team wrote about the slides, (one in English, one in Spanish, one in French).<br /><br />José Antonio Caravaca + Curt Collins (English): Is This Mummy the Famous "Alien" in the Roswell Slides?<br />http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2015/03/is-this-mummy-famous-alien-in-roswell.html<br /><br />José Antonio Caravaca (Spanish) : ¿ES ESTA MOMIA EL FAMOSO "EXTRATERRESTRE” DE LAS DIAPOSITIVAS DE ROSWELL?<br />http://caravaca.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/es-esta-momia-el-famoso-extraterrestre.html<br /><br />Gilles Fernandez^^ (French): The Roswell Slides Saga: Some Claims versus some Facts...(Draft Version)<br />http://skepticversustheflyingsaucers.blogspot.fr/2015/03/the-roswell-slides-saga-claims-versus.html<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Gilles F.Gilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-77329328592280009862015-03-24T19:08:39.305-07:002015-03-24T19:08:39.305-07:00Brian -
McDonald's drawing were based in part...Brian -<br /><br />McDonald's drawing were based in part on the descriptions provided by Frank Kaufmann which, of course, means that Kaufmann was making it up. However, I believe that Kaufmann had also done a little research for this and based some of the description on what Kenneth Arnold had said and the pictures taken by William Rhodes. I also think that in the course of the hours we (Don Schmitt and I) spent with him, he picked up some information from us that related to what Bill Rickett had said. I believe that Kaufmann was guided in his responses by others in the Roswell area who kind of briefed him on the directions that we were all taking... one of those could have been Max Littel.<br /><br />And, given that the star charts used by Marjorie Fish to come up with the Zeta Reticuli scenario have been recalibrated moving some of the stars out of the positions that she placed them, and given that she excluded all the red dwarves because she believed there would be nothing of interest in those star systems, we should reevaluate this conclusion.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-15482238449565759772015-03-24T14:39:35.943-07:002015-03-24T14:39:35.943-07:00Can someone explain McDonald's alien drawings ...Can someone explain McDonald's alien drawings and craft depiction as to its origins? Late 1990s Testor model and book illustrations show a craft that I have yet to hear any so called witness describe. Who were the witnesses who described the craft as taking this shape? They seem non-existent and Barnett can not be used as a definitive observer. PS If these "aliens" did come from Zeta (a so described arid exoplanet) why did their so "saucer" take a manta shape including claims these aliens had webbed fingers? Dry planet vs ocean evolution makes no sense at all adding to the support that this event probably never happened as witnesses claim. Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-30453630383508014152015-03-22T22:26:27.277-07:002015-03-22T22:26:27.277-07:00Dew is just another hack film producer trying to s...Dew is just another hack film producer trying to scam the naive out of their hard earned cash. I think he's garnished enough free publicity. Don't encourage him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-23868206762601179452015-03-20T17:58:33.371-07:002015-03-20T17:58:33.371-07:00Lance wrote
"So name calling is okay again (...Lance wrote<br /><br />"So name calling is okay again (is that only against skeptics?)"<br /><br />and continuing to the defense of this clown, Lance continued<br /><br />"Seems to me that calling (name removed), "Klown" is a personal attack but then again I don't understand all of the double standards that make up the believer worldview."<br /><br />Lance - I personally am not a believer, as I have said many times - and logically the "believers" as you put it are almost certainly wrong with the "final conclusion" however you have to be a "bit of a clown" to suggest (even in jest) that Ramey was holding a "SciFi novel" he had written in his hand - this is just one of the "clown" type of comments made earlier.<br /><br />But again this post is not about Dr Rudiak's favorite topic of conversation and no, I don't think the center of the universe is in the Ramey memo...<br /><br />Regards<br />Nitram<br /><br /><br /><br />Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20482417656303623232015-03-20T15:28:29.119-07:002015-03-20T15:28:29.119-07:00CDA,
The FBI document was nothing but the weather...CDA,<br /><br />The FBI document was nothing but the weather balloon story that Ramey was putting out as the official explanation at the time. Nothing too sensitive there, except for the part that when they contacted Wright Field, they didn't agree it was a weather balloon.<br /><br />Another part of the FBI telegram stated the their Cincinnati office was to be informed of the results of the "disc" inspection at Wright Field. Nobody has been able to find that promised report in FBI files. It's missing, probably because the FBI was never told anything further, not even, "it's a weather balloon".<br /><br />Klass' real point to me (not CDA's spin), was that if the Ramey memo mentioned "victims", it was so sensitive that it would have been destroyed so as to not leave a paper trail. So no point in doing a FOIA to try to find it.<br /><br />There is some precedent for destruction of very sensitive documents, such as Gen. Vandenberg (whom I think the Ramey memo was addressed to) ordering the infamous Project Sign Estimate of the Situation a year later with its ETH conclusion destroyed. (Except, apparently, at least one copy survived for a time since insiders like Ruppelt, Hynek, and Fournet all said they later read it.)<br /><br />Similarly, at the end of WWII, the super top-secret Enigma machine decoding program destroyed all their computing machines (including the world's first all electronic digital computer) and nearly all paperwork to keep secret just how advanced their decoding efforts had gotten, far enough to decrypt Russian codes. They didn't want that getting out by leaving a machine or paper trail behind.<br /><br />We also do know that critical communications from Roswell base were ordered destroyed without authorization a few years later, which the GAO discovered in their investigation in 1994. Ramey's papers are also missing from this time period.<br /><br />Of course, Klass was only speculating that Ramey's memo was destroyed. Instead, it could have been highly classified and locked in a vault somewhere.<br /><br />Pentagon Paper's Daniel Ellsberg once testified before Congress about guarded vaults at the Pentagon containing the nation's most sensitive secrets. E.g., one was devoted to the history of how we got into Viet Nam. As a national security adviser to the Johnson Administration, he was one of the handful of people with special clearance to get into the vaulted reading room.<br /><br />I ran into Ellsberg a few years ago and asked him about those vaults. He told me the ones he was aware of were primarily about covert operations and secret communications between the President and other world leaders. He wasn't aware of any UFO reading rooms, but added that because of compartmentalization of classified material, he would not have known of them even if they existed because he wouldn't have need-to-know access.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-91884454197410117912015-03-20T12:49:50.063-07:002015-03-20T12:49:50.063-07:00Reluctant as I am to 'get into' this Ramey...Reluctant as I am to 'get into' this Ramey memo thing, Klass DID have a point. The FBI memo of July 8 was in the archives and was duly discovered when they were released.<br /><br />Therefore, in my (and Klass's) view it is more than likely that if this Ramey memo contained important matters pertaining to Roswell (such as the discovery of unidentified wreckage & bodies) it too would have been retained as a document, and ought to have turned up in a search, either when the FBI memo was released or later.<br /><br />In fact I believe the RPIT, which so studiously analysed the Ft Worth photos some years ago, and claimed to have deciphered a portion of the memo, actually requested this document. They got a zero response. (surprise!)<br /><br />And no I do NOT believe Gen. Ramey took this 'great secret' to his grave either (just in case some ardent ETHers think he did).<br /><br />So which is it? Is that sheet of paper essentially junk (as I believe) or did it really contain the text of the great secret the ETHers and conspiracists desperately want to prove to the world? Yes, the very memo that has either disappeared or was destroyed, despite its contents. Or is it still top secret and hidden from the world after 68 years? <br /><br />According to Moore & Friedman, all it contained was the text of Ramey's radio broadcast he was due to give that evening!cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66919262354265441882015-03-20T12:09:51.785-07:002015-03-20T12:09:51.785-07:00Seems to me that calling CDA, "Klown" is...Seems to me that calling CDA, "Klown" is a personal attack but then again I don't understand all of the double standards that make up the believer worldview.<br /><br />And not referring to David here,<br /><br />LanceLancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-11689716001505282162015-03-20T11:54:12.577-07:002015-03-20T11:54:12.577-07:00Lance -
The difference here, as I see it, was tha...Lance -<br /><br />The difference here, as I see it, was that no one was being personally attacked. It was more of a general reference to a point of view... I let the same thing slide when the comments are general as opposed to specific... but then again, my blog and my rules subject to change at my whim.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90259912379325148722015-03-20T11:05:06.923-07:002015-03-20T11:05:06.923-07:00Regarding "Klass Klown":
I had one and ...Regarding "Klass Klown":<br /><br />I had one and only one interaction with his evil overlord Philip "Darth" Klass, when he emailed me out of the blue about a dozen years ago about the Ramey memo.<br /><br />He actually admitted the word "VICTIMS" was indeed there, but instead tried to spin it that the message read "NO victims".<br /><br />Now here's what really bugs me about most deniers like Klass: they don't like to stick to facts or do even minimal due diligence, just make unsupported proclamations of "fact". In this case, the word before "VICTIMS" was obviously 3-letters, not 2, and looked suspiciously to most people, including CDA's allegedly highly biased "pro-ETHers" like the word "THE", the most common word in the English language.<br /><br />So it read "THE VICTIMS", not "NO VICTIMS".<br /><br />Another funny thing about this brief interchange with Klass was when I challenged him to join in an effort to do a FOIA for the original memo. HIs response to that was that it would be waste of time, since the government/military would have destroyed it a long time ago.<br /><br />Yes, apparently "weather balloons" and crash dummy "victims" from the future are such sensitive topics that the government can't afford to leave a paper trail behind.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-81054538213182630472015-03-20T09:55:03.920-07:002015-03-20T09:55:03.920-07:00So name calling is okay again (is that only agains...So name calling is okay again (is that only against skeptics?)<br /><br />LanceLancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-17512211869159094552015-03-20T09:07:23.126-07:002015-03-20T09:07:23.126-07:00cda speaking of "we" (we who?) and of be...cda speaking of "we" (we who?) and of being serious (!). Clownstopher, I would say.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-4377074647573507752015-03-20T04:48:20.821-07:002015-03-20T04:48:20.821-07:00Nitram (or Martin):
It is time you used your real...Nitram (or Martin):<br /><br />It is time you used your real name, if you have one. Then we can begin to take you seriously. <br /><br />Notice I said 'begin'.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-12484066671035508452015-03-19T18:09:31.258-07:002015-03-19T18:09:31.258-07:00Hello DR & KR
For what it's worth you don...Hello DR & KR<br /><br />For what it's worth you don't have to respond to every silly comment posted by the "Klass clown". <br /><br />A lot of his postings are so stupid they are clearly designed to just get a reaction, rather than trying to constructively help with the investigation.<br /><br />Don't let the counter-productive "Klass clown" get you down...<br /><br />Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62933479959568136062015-03-19T17:43:19.414-07:002015-03-19T17:43:19.414-07:00CDA, David -
I changed the topic because I wanted...CDA, David -<br /><br />I changed the topic because I wanted something other than Roswell Slides. They are all over the place and thought it would be a nice change of pace... had nothing to do with David's post or with CDA's response.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41790468390608897682015-03-19T16:25:55.051-07:002015-03-19T16:25:55.051-07:00Lucky you Christopher. But there wasn't much y...Lucky you Christopher. But there wasn't much you could answer since you don't have any actual facts on your side.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-75497267232930873812015-03-19T15:43:46.554-07:002015-03-19T15:43:46.554-07:00DR:
Strange that as soon as your riposte appeared...DR:<br /><br />Strange that as soon as your riposte appeared Kevin changed the subject. That saves me a lot of trouble answering you, doesn't it?cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-51119242074709010552015-03-19T15:13:48.161-07:002015-03-19T15:13:48.161-07:00Yes he part of the Klass Clan, swamp gas, earth is...Yes he part of the Klass Clan, swamp gas, earth is flat, and Planet earth center of universe. These baggers will never ever get it!!!!<br />They still don't believe the photos from the Hubble telescope. loljim benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11580555109647367815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62616016033695882132015-03-19T14:14:15.571-07:002015-03-19T14:14:15.571-07:00CDA inanely wrote:
By the way, Ramey's memo ha...CDA inanely wrote:<br /><i>By the way, Ramey's memo has NO known provenance either, despite the desperate analysis attempted by certain Roswell ETHers. What HAS a provenance is the photograph showing a piece of paper in Ramey's hand. The memo itself (if it is a memo) has no proven content or origin. It might even contain another proof of Pythagoras' theorem for all we know.</i><br /><br />Usual bunch of Christopher Allen bunk. <br /><br />Even skeptics who have bothered to spend 2 seconds looking at the memo agree that the words "WEATHER BALLOONS" appear second line from the bottom of the memo. That ALONE establishes the CONTENT as Roswell related.<br /><br />It doesn't hurt that there is also near-unanimous agreement that "THE 'disc'" also appears in the message (first sentence, second paragraph). There is less strong agreement but still a consensus that "at Roswell" appears next line down, second sentence. <br /><br />At the top is a large black stamp, partially hidden, but for all the world looking like it ends in "LL". Perhaps "Roswell" <br />is there as well? Nah, couldn't be, because CDA knows for a fact that this can't possibly be related to Roswell.<br /><br />The consensus is also that the message was signed by "RAMEY".<br /><br />At that very moment, Gen. Ramey was holding the message in his hand that most readers think is signed by him, he is at that very moment having a photographer take pictures of him with a "weather balloon" that he was already claiming was what was really found at Roswell, and only resembled a "disc".<br /><br />We also know for a fact that the photos were taken by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in Gen. Ramey's office, 8th AAF headquarters, Fort Worth, Tex., July 8, about 5:30 p.m. There is also unanimous agreement that "FORT WORTH, TEX." also appears in the memo (end of first paraphraph).<br /><br />But this has no provenance and has nothing to do with Roswell simply because CDA say so. He further claims there is no agreement about content and this could equally well be about the Phythagorean theorem. CDA either obviously doesn't know much or just loves to play the Klass Klown.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70815532051127208012015-03-19T10:25:09.843-07:002015-03-19T10:25:09.843-07:00A slight update:
My "staff" informs me ...A slight update:<br /><br />My "staff" informs me that there were originally 4 Maussan Roswell slide video interviews posted; #4 was ex-Apollo astronaut Mitchell, who is a member of Artesia Masonic Lodge #29 in New Mexico.Lokihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517895179929613774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-79940587754817067242015-03-19T10:01:34.596-07:002015-03-19T10:01:34.596-07:00Here is a still of the deleted video where Adam De...Here is a still of the deleted video where Adam Dew mention's his friend's sister "Kathy",etc. as finding the slides:<br /><br />https://clovismoliveira.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/a0bf7-adam-dew-interview.jpgLokihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517895179929613774noreply@blogger.com