tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post3619205188160479874..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: BG Schulgen and His MemoKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-34630830670095167852017-02-27T07:21:32.542-08:002017-02-27T07:21:32.542-08:00Bit late to comment I know.
Jimmy's informati...Bit late to comment I know.<br /><br />Jimmy's information about Metalite and Fibrilite is I think important in possible interpretations of Schulgen's inclusion of balsa wood. A very plausible reason for him to be thinking about it at the timeAnthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195694902712869724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3851876313709138982017-02-23T03:24:34.950-08:002017-02-23T03:24:34.950-08:00I was aware MJ12 didn't exist. The point was t...I was aware MJ12 didn't exist. The point was that nobody to my knowledge ever claimed Shulgen was privy to Roswell secrets. pebble chalet makes no sense.starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-85514824633305520242017-02-22T03:25:47.485-08:002017-02-22T03:25:47.485-08:00Roswell happened but not as you know it. It was al...Roswell happened but not as you know it. It was all an elaborate hoax. The reason was that the Russians were just catching up on their own atomic program and it was perfect propaganda. Apply Occam's Razor to it?<br />A handful of people were behind it and had fake bodies and everything. They then briefly showed it to credible witnesses in dribs and drabs. That's why this tale has lasted so long. That's also why there has been no one to come forward with any evidence for 70 years. With Cold War propaganda, you drip feed the info, not saturate it. This is the most likely explanationAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11992701610584676711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66297441727539578952017-02-21T12:56:38.820-08:002017-02-21T12:56:38.820-08:00starman -
Given that there is no such thing as MJ...starman -<br /><br />Given that there is no such thing as MJ-12, your point is moot.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-34038894531012739902017-02-21T11:02:53.990-08:002017-02-21T11:02:53.990-08:00Twining was thought to have been privy to Roswell ...Twining was thought to have been privy to Roswell secrets. But who ever said Shulgen was in "MJ12"?starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-61743681664839674302017-02-21T02:52:18.096-08:002017-02-21T02:52:18.096-08:00Kevin:
Yes I am inclined to agree that Twining an...Kevin:<br /><br />Yes I am inclined to agree that Twining and Schulgen read the newspapers and therefore, possibly, had heard of Roswell. But weren't these the very guys, part of the gang 'in the know' who were alleged to be part of some grand official cover-up? This idea was once being promoted by Roswell ET diehards (i.e those who still hope to square the circle). These top guys took the 'great secret' to their graves, so the diehards tell us. <br /><br />So to now say they merely got the case story from the newspapers makes it quite a climbdown, and detracts considerably from the tale presented in the 80s and early 90s. cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-59847623736269452882017-02-20T20:54:50.293-08:002017-02-20T20:54:50.293-08:00Based on my model building days, balsa by itself i...Based on my model building days, balsa by itself is not really all that strong. What makes it strong is when it is glued across another structure. I seem to recall building some very strong, and flexible model airplane wings using balsa ibeams (wing struts). They could hold a fair amount of weight in all directions, but had the advantage of being flexible.<br /><br />On another note, the Horten Ho 229 was a jet built out of wood, like a model aircraft, but with powerful jet engines. Some believe this was the plane(s) seen by Kenneth Arnold, a pilot, that lead to to his UFO report. I do not believe this was part of the Roswell incident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62331497460965177522017-02-20T18:23:48.581-08:002017-02-20T18:23:48.581-08:00Balsa was being used in aircraft construction at t...Balsa was being used in aircraft construction at the time, particularly in a form called "Metalite" where balsa was sandwiched between two aluminum sheets, used to skin a Navy fighter, the F6U. (Not to be confused with the infamous Flying Flapjack, which also used the material.) It also used a material called "Fiberlite" substituting fiberglass for aluminum. Since light weight made sense in very long-range aircraft, and Schulgen's EEI was pitched toward Soviet developments, it was natural to suggest balsa composites. Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149616430746098101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-14642032059951992572017-02-20T07:04:26.980-08:002017-02-20T07:04:26.980-08:00CDA -
Thinking about this, I'm say the same t...CDA -<br /><br />Thinking about this, I'm say the same thing about Schulgen that I said about Twining... Given that this was front page news in 1947 and even the New York Times carried the story, I'll say there is a good chance that Schulgen heard about Roswell through those sources. So, yeah, he heard about Roswell but the real question is did it come into play when he wrote the memo. That answer is probably not.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-91728427171398448762017-02-20T05:39:39.068-08:002017-02-20T05:39:39.068-08:00All -
I am well aware that wood has been used and...All -<br /><br />I am well aware that wood has been used and is currently used in the manufacture of aircraft (and I'm thinking mainly of the "experimental" aircraft. I was surprised that Schulgen had mentioned, specifically, balsa wood... the other items, ferrous and non-ferrous metals and composites made some sense (and isn't plywood a composite?).<br /><br />El Sopa -<br /><br />Since those involved have been identified it seems to be grasping at straws to suggest that some of them look like people in Roswell in 1947... it is an admitted hoax complete with pictures and illustrations. We just don't need to waste anymore time on it.<br /><br />CDA -<br /><br />I don't believe that this one tenuous reference to balsa suggests that Schgulen had heard of Roswell... I just found the reference odd because it didn't mention any other sorts of strange material that might be of intelligence interest.<br /><br />For Twining, yes, obviously... since reports were made to Wright Field about this as per the news reports and the FBI telex, I think there is good reason to believe that Twining had heard about Roswell... gee, it was in all the newspapers... and that doesn't mean it was alien, only that it was big news for a short time and generals do read the newspapers and listen to the radio.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41707793272664537652017-02-20T03:49:17.535-08:002017-02-20T03:49:17.535-08:00Have you any good reason, apart from this one tenu...Have you any good reason, apart from this one tenuous reference to balsa wood, to believe that General Schulgen had ever heard of the Roswell case when he wrote his memo?<br /><br />Have you any good reason to believe that Gen. Twining, whose own memo had preceded that of Schulgen by one month, had heard of Roswell either? <br /><br />I appreciate that you have recently turned quite anti-ET over the case but guess you still retain a faint (very faint) hope of squaring the circle.<br /><br />cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-76491505339001752682017-02-19T18:25:02.017-08:002017-02-19T18:25:02.017-08:00Hi Kevin, I know it supposedly was debunked some t...Hi Kevin, I know it supposedly was debunked some time ago, you remember that fragment of the Roswell autopsy movie in the end? that supposedly recreates the "real" old film fragment, did you ever consider to check the faces of the men in the scene?<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69rRZGKU1Bg<br />I remember someone from a forum enhanced the faces that appear right at the end a lot. What if they look like some of the personel at the time in Roswell? I know its a long stretch but there's nothing to lose at this point.<br />Thanks!ElSopahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13436985113770458525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-79047058608095074372017-02-19T18:07:17.203-08:002017-02-19T18:07:17.203-08:00Ecuadorian balsa has been used for a variety of th...Ecuadorian balsa has been used for a variety of things. Not only aircraft but also ship building.<br /><br />I tend to think when most people hear "balsa" they think of the soft, easily breakable strips used in small flying model construction and the old 10 cent gliders from the local hobby shop.<br /><br />Technically, when treated properly (infused glue etc.) the wood becomes very durable.<br /><br />Dating back 1200 years to the Manteño culture, the coastal region of Ecuador has a long tradition of using balsa wood for ocean going vessels.<br /><br />Ecuador is the biggest global producer of balsa wood with over 90% share of exports worldwide. Balsa is used in boat building, building construction and many other applications, not just models and Rawin targets.<br /><br />In Ecuador balsa wood is also used by surfboard shapers to make exotic balsa surf boards that have tremendous aesthetic appeal not to mention very high durability.<br /><br />I agree, the reference in the memo does not bear any specific connection to Roswell.<br />Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-80857339789784381162017-02-19T15:13:10.725-08:002017-02-19T15:13:10.725-08:00Lance - it appears you didn't read all of the ...Lance - it appears you didn't read all of the article...<br /><br />"Some of those WHO HANDLED THE DEBRIS recovered at Roswell commented on the light weight, strong material they held. Bill Brazel said that it was light, like balsa wood, but EXTREMELY tough and was CERTAINLY NOT BALSA." <br /><br />Therefore one should conclude:<br /><br />The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance required to somehow rationalize this as a balloon (AKA Drooling idiot theory) must be monumental.<br /><br />Regards <br />NitramNitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56554749447289655432017-02-19T11:12:52.297-08:002017-02-19T11:12:52.297-08:00Lance...The reports of exotic material, along with...Lance...The reports of exotic material, along with mundane material, supports the theory that the flying saucer was involved in a mid-air collision.Paul Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267452625547760508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-79377297558744055692017-02-19T03:49:36.908-08:002017-02-19T03:49:36.908-08:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquit...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito#Fuselage<br /><br />The WWII de Havilland Mosquito was mostly wood, including balsa, but not only balsa. Presumably wreckage from a manned aircraft would not solely be balsa.William Strathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641055950393700958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-78665946229031621082017-02-18T17:38:55.601-08:002017-02-18T17:38:55.601-08:00That the amazing supposed Roswell saucer parts JUS...That the amazing supposed Roswell saucer parts JUST HAPPENED to look a lot like balsa wood and foil paper is one of the most hilarious parts of the myth.<br /><br />The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance required to somehow rationalize this in order to keep the UFO religion intact must be monumental.<br /><br />Lance<br />Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.com