tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post4236551236894172290..comments2024-03-18T16:51:50.688-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Glenn Dennis RevisitedKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84648333602375014952020-04-14T18:42:22.692-07:002020-04-14T18:42:22.692-07:00I'm Chief Halls Granddaughter, Cynthia (Hall) ...I'm Chief Halls Granddaughter, Cynthia (Hall) Ortiz. Ramm is my mother's maiden name and an alias. My Granlaw didn't say anything that he actually saw but just verified what Dennis said. He was a city councilman at the time of his affidavit. That museum makes a ton of money for Roswell so they revived the story for that reason and frankly it was a brilliant idea. The story at home from was that he didn't believe aliens even exist much less that they landed in Roswell and his affidavit is frankly indicative of that as it's basically benign. It's not a smoking gun for sure. Its About Justicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00471767408181816621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-24980253838331346102017-06-26T19:54:30.810-07:002017-06-26T19:54:30.810-07:00Been believer of Roswell since I read Freidman...Been believer of Roswell since I read Freidman's book,long ago. One Question in my mind was Glenn Dennis talking about being an assistant at the mortuary or funeral home. Never heard about whomever was actually in charge,as in his superior. And some of the inconsistencies over the years made me wonder if he was really telling someone else's story. As in told to him and he passed it on. I still have no doubt that the Roswell crash really happened,just not exactly the way Dennis says.pivnick3https://www.blogger.com/profile/12777295097447877155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33069619206859718812011-02-05T19:27:17.866-08:002011-02-05T19:27:17.866-08:00David,
Those old lawyers tricks come in handy whe...David,<br /><br />Those old lawyers tricks come in handy when dealing with someone like you, who consistently employs the old Nixonian trick of attacking the messenger when you don't like the message. It's hard to drum up any respect for a man who would label Kevin Randle a debunker simply because he can see that Glenn Dennis is, to be kind, an unreliable witness.<br /><br />There are plenty of reliable witnesses to actual UFO sightings out there. Kelly Johnson, Roy Wimmer and Rudy Thoren (among others), from the 1953 Santa Barbara Channel case, are good examples. <br /><br />But instead of doing something productive, like talking about real UFO sightings, with good witnesses, you continue to flog the Roswell horse, and even worse, "witnesses" like Dennis, even as you wonder why fewer and fewer people are paying attention.<br /><br />Like Nixon, I don't expect you to ever admit that you're wrong, or change your M.O., so I, like most serious people, will simply continue to ignore you.<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-91480573490455912732011-02-03T11:05:05.855-08:002011-02-03T11:05:05.855-08:00David -
Why is it that when you disagree with an ...David -<br /><br />Why is it that when you disagree with an opinion, you label the holder of that opinion a Debunker?<br /><br />I don't remember suggesting time compression but instead suggested that the Hall testimony is not anchored in time. There is no documentation to support his affidavit that Dennis told him about the bodies and the nurse in the days that followed the Roswell crash.<br /><br />I will point out the difference here. Marcel was seen on the front pages of newspapers on July 9 and 10, 1947 which does anchor his tale to the proper time frame.<br /><br />I will point out that Edwin Easley was the provost marshal in July 1947 as documented by the Yearbook Walter Haut produced.<br /><br />Hall has nothing to document his belief that Dennis told him this in the days to follow... in fact, in view of the alleged threats, would Dennis be talking about this in the days that followed?<br /><br />I will remind you that Dennis provided the name, Naomi Self, to me with no caveats. He gave the name Naomi Maria Selff to Karl Pflock with no caveats. When no one could find a trace of a nurse by those names, he changed the story saying it wasn't the real name. Then to cover himself, he blamed us for running off searching for a nurse by the name he had given us when he had warned us that he was making up the name.<br /><br />No such warning was given to us. This is another lie told to protect the core story...<br /><br />Neither Don Berliner nor I could find any hints that five Army nurses had been killed in a plane crash as he alleged... and yes, I freely admit that he might have believed this, having allegedly been told this by other nurses at the base.<br /><br />And why was Self... or whoever the hell she was, writing to a married man? This implies a personal relationship... and yes, I know he could have been leading her on, but this is just another of the fuzzy areas of his tale.<br /><br />So, no, I don't believe Dennis because he lied about his story more than once. And no, I see no anchor for the Hall story in any documentation, though Hall clearly said it was in the days following the crash.<br /><br />And no, I don't see the attorney's story as anchored in time... in fact he said it was a couple of years later.<br /><br />If you wish to believe Glenn Dennis, that is your privilege, but please don't label me a debunker because I require something more than a much told tale that has no documentation to support it.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-82516898729710763672011-02-01T10:14:19.249-08:002011-02-01T10:14:19.249-08:00Paul Kimball wrote:
David Rudiack writes:
"y...Paul Kimball wrote:<br /><i>David Rudiack writes:<br /><br />"you should forget about the entire Roswell case."<br /><br />Bingo.</i><br /><br />Thanks for quoting me completely out of context Paul. No doubt an old lawyer trick.<br /><br />What I <i>really</i> said is that Kevin was using standard debunkery arguments to totally dismiss what Glenn Dennis said, such as time compression arguments for corroborating witnesses or that corroborating testimony itself was worthless. If he wanted to take that tack for Glennis, he could be hoisted on his own petards when it came to witnesses he did believe, such as Marcel or Easley. In which case he would have absolutely nothing when it came to Roswell, or just about any UFO case for that matter, old or modern.<br /><br />Take Shag Harbour, e.g. What have you got? About a dozen witnesses corroborating each other that something in the sky seemed to go down, seeming headed for the harbour. Nobody actually saw it hit the water. By the time any witness or the RCMP got to the water, all they saw was a light bobbing on the water. There was a thick yellow foam on the water when rescue boats went out to search. There are government documents that something was reported crashing and they were searching the waters, but allegedly nothing was found. And according to other largely unnamed witnesses and no documents, something was allegedly searched for 25 miles to the north near a secret submarine detection grid.<br /><br />So what we have is a dozen or so witnesses of something <i>maybe</i> going down, an unidentified light bobbing on the water, no physical evidence, and some documents that there was nothing found. <br /><br />Debunking is easy. Witnesses are unreliable or liars or being "contaminated" by unscrupulous researchers, corroborating testimony is worthless, documents don't prove anything in that they were just reporting what the unreliable witnesses said happened, and there is no physical evidence.<br /><br />So, Paul, you may as well forget about Shag Harbour as well. The Nova Scotia Roswell is a myth.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-61981999181710881732011-02-01T00:03:44.785-08:002011-02-01T00:03:44.785-08:00David Rudiack writes:
you should forget about the...David Rudiack writes:<br /><br /><i>you should forget about the entire Roswell case.</i><br /><br />Bingo.Paul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-2424350036142956422011-01-25T08:34:36.808-08:002011-01-25T08:34:36.808-08:00CDA said:
"And if it was a genuine case of E...CDA said:<br /><br /><i>"And if it was a genuine case of ETs and was under the strictest secrecy, you would not expect RAAF to even consider ordering coffins from a private funeral home, thereby putting security at risk. It would have been kept strictly internal to the AF, along with the debris & bodies".</i> <br /><br />Not to say that Dennis story is 100% credible. But your argument is not a very strong one.<br /><br />If they (military men) had not got a funeral home of their own, or had not small coffins, they were probably forced to call to a private funeral home. In this world, death occurs frequently, so the funeral services are a standard thing, and asking for some coffins, is not a secret-revealing action.<br /><br />Of course, watched from present day, in retrospective, asking for coffins for children is very suspicious, but probably at the moment they simply did not foresee the suspicious nature of such action.<br /> <br />In any case, may be they simply made a mistake. They shouldn't have called Dennis, but they did. ¿Are military men so perfect to be free of errors?Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-86996358953964676232011-01-25T03:13:48.839-08:002011-01-25T03:13:48.839-08:00I agree with Kevin.
If RAAF orders a number of ch...I agree with Kevin.<br /><br />If RAAF orders a number of child-size caskets from a private mortuary the natural reaction will be that some children recently died in an accident nearby, probably at the base. In which case you would expect there to be some mention of an accident in the newspapers (civilian or possibly military) involving children. Was there such a mention?<br /><br />And if it was a genuine case of ETs and was under the strictest secrecy, you would not expect RAAF to even consider ordering coffins from a private funeral home, thereby putting security at risk. It would have been kept strictly internal to the AF, along with the debris & bodies. <br /><br />Dennis's story does not hang together and never did.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-54659401419150641992011-01-24T14:52:47.368-08:002011-01-24T14:52:47.368-08:00David -
The difference between Dennis and Easley,...David -<br /><br />The difference between Dennis and Easley, or Dennis and Bill Brazel, or Dennis and Frankie Rowe is that none of those people lied to us about part of their story. Yes, Frankie Rowe has added to hers, but only as she began to trust us. And no, I can't prove to anyone what Easely said to me, but I know it to be fact.<br /><br />I am, however, tired of dealing with those who wish to interject themselves into the story. Gerald Anderson was not on the Plains and did not see a crashed flying saucer, though I am now blamed for his host of lies. I made him lie to all those others...<br /><br />I am tired of chasing down stories only to learn that the teller wasn't in Roswell in 1947... or in one extraordinary case, a 12-year-old saying that his father had come from Wright Field and taken him out to see the crash<br /><br />Dennis told a lie about the nurse and gave us the wrong name. Okay. I could have lived without him giving us a name, but he did. When it was exposed, he then tried to blame me (and the others) for not listening to him. That was another lie.<br /><br />And frankly, the story of the child-sized coffins really doesn't make sense either. The creatures, according to some, were five feet tall, hardly child sized. And why ask for the coffins in the first place... why not communicate with the Army Mortuary Service in at Lowry in Denver. That makes more sense than calling some local.<br /><br />The point is that I do not find enough in the Dennis tale to find it plausible and I see no need to include it in the proof of the Roswell crash. We have enough good, solid witnesses that we should cut loose those who have been less than candid with us.<br /><br />I fear, however, that we'll just have to agree to disagree on the matter of Dennis. I don't believe his tale is worth much and would rather rely on those whose stories make sense and who are credible...<br /><br />And I would agree that Sheridan Cavitt is not one of those. Again, too many lies and contradictions for his tale to be credible.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90981714230095688342011-01-22T12:21:11.018-08:002011-01-22T12:21:11.018-08:00There is no one who can verify Dennis' story d...<i>There is no one who can verify Dennis' story directly.</i><br /><br />Isn't that the criticism by debunkers of just about every Roswell witness? E.g., who can verify <i>directly</i> Easley's story to you that they held Brazel at the base? Instead, what we have is corroborating testimony of others, like Bill Brazel, Marion Strickland, etc., that he was held at the base.<br /><br />Who can verify <i>directly</i> what Marcel said they found on the debris field? The only other person with him was Cavitt, who we know lied about nearly everything. BUT we do have indirect corroboration from many others about highly anomalous debris, large debris field, etc.<br /><br /><i>We have those who suggested that Dennis said something to them in the days after the crash, but we have no way to actually anchor this information in time. It could have been a week... it could have been a couple of years... it could have been a couple of decades.</i><br /><br />No, we have at least half a dozen people saying they heard the story of the child coffin call at the time, i.e., within a few days, or within no more than a few years. I think it is absurd to claim nobody can distinguish a few days or a few years from decades. This is just another debunker-type argument. Also you have argued that such testimony doesn't "document" what Dennis said. Again, this argument can be applied against just about every single piece of witness testimony, including witnesses you find completely credible.<br /><br />The key point remains that Dennis was clearly telling the story about the base call for child-size coffins very early on, NOT decades later. Dennis DOES have corroboration for this part of his story, just like Marcel, Easley, etc.<br /><br />It doesn't prove he took the phone call, but it does lend credence to it. Even if he was just an embalmer at the time instead of a certified mortician, in small town mortuaries embalmers frequently do many of the duties of the mortician, including such things as ordering caskets or taking phone calls. To say that Dennis could not have taken such a call is nothing but argument by assertion.<br /><br />As for the story of the nurse, I see your points about the name changes, but there ARE other witnesses talking about alien bodies at the base hospital, unknown doctors at the hospital brought in from elsewhere, disappearing medical personnel, and even knowing about a nurse or nurses talking about the bodies. <br /><br />Now, again, this doesn't prove Dennis knew such a nurse or that a nurse told him anything. He could have picked this up from others. But it does again add some credence to his story. <br /><br />And then it turns out there was a Roswell nurse still alive in Roswell, Mary Crowley Lowe, who was located not through Dennis but through another witness (Mrs. Charles Huttanus) who said Lowe told her around 1960 of being a nurse at the base in 1947 when they brought the aliens in. And it was also pretty clear that Dennis knew Lowe and Lowe probably knew Dennis when both were approached and asked about it. In other words, this would be a very plausible reason why Dennis would lie about the nurse's name, if he had promised to never reveal her identity.<br /><br />I understand your anger at Dennis lying to you about the nurse's name and obviously wasting your time on a wild goose chase. But I'm not willing to toss out the whole story and dismiss a LOT of corroborating testimony on what I consider flimsy rationales, such as people supposedly unable to distinguish days from decades. If you want to go down that route, you should forget about the entire Roswell case.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-78744721369911435132011-01-22T09:29:48.222-08:002011-01-22T09:29:48.222-08:00David, All -
I disagree. There is not a LOT of te...David, All -<br /><br />I disagree. There is not a LOT of testimony corroborating Dennis. There is some which in and of itself is slightly suspect.<br /><br />While I hesitate to engage in another long dispute, I will note that Dennis, when he gave me the nurse's name was quite specific. He made me promise not to reveal it because of his promise to her. Then he told nearly everyone else under the sun, changing the name slightly.<br /><br />While we were searching for the nurse, he asked me why we hadn't found because he had given me the name. Not exactly the kind of thing you would do if you had invented the name.<br /><br />Then, when Vic Golubic said that no nurse by the name Dennis supplied existed, Dennis changed the story, saying that he told us up front that he would give us a name but it wouldn't be the right name. This was a lie. He said nothing of the sort to me, and as far as I know, said nothing of the sort to anyone else.<br /><br />Then he said that the last name did begin with an "S", not exactly a big help. And there was discussion that the name was Sipes.<br /><br />There is no one who can verify Dennis' story directly. We have those who suggested that Dennis said something to them in the days after the crash, but we have no way to actually anchor this information in time. It could have been a week... it could have been a couple of years... it could have been a couple of decades.<br /><br />Given the nature of the story, given the shifting name of the nurse, given the lie about how that name was provided to researchers including Stan Friedman, Karl Pflock and even Phil Klass (I have no idea how Klass learned the name, but I was surprised that he had it), I just don't find this tale to be credible.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-17838978252177395182011-01-21T18:09:31.394-08:002011-01-21T18:09:31.394-08:00Christopher wrote:
In light of many witnesses bein...Christopher wrote:<br /><i>In light of many witnesses being discredited, new ones coming out, I would think a posting or new Roswell update book would certainly help clear the confusion!</i><br /><br />IMHO, the number of Roswell that have truly been "discredited" has been grossly exaggerated by the skeptics. Also they never like to talk about the so-called skeptic "balloon" witnesses that have been partially or totally discredited, like CIC agent Sheridan Cavitt, Charles Moore, or Bessie Brazel. The razor cuts both ways.<br /><br /><i>My personal thoughts on Glenn Dennis and the mystery nurse is that he hid her true identity for reasons that might be beyond the Roswell incident, such as an affair.<br /><br />For that reason, I don't feel his testimony can be rejected.<br /><br />Please pardon my ignorance if that theory has already been addressed.</i><br /><br />I totally agree and these points have been addressed elsewhere, such as "Witness to Roswell" by Carey & Schmitt. There is a LOT of testimony corroborating Dennis that is getting flippantly dismissed. And I do think Dennis had personal reasons to lie about the nurse's name and perhaps some of her history, mostly to protect her identity because she was still alive. <br /><br />One very possible candidate for the nurse was Mary Crowley Lowe, who up until a few years ago was alive and living in Roswell. Dennis very much knew who she was. Other possibilities were nurse Adeline "Eileen" Fanton and/or hospital administrator secretary Miriam Bush, the latter in particular, according to family members, having seen the aliens at the base hospital. These people all had similar physical descriptions, and perhaps Dennis made his Nurse X a composite of all of them to disguise the identity.<br /><br />I've summarized the various corroborating witnesses to Dennis' story over on my website:<br /><br />www.roswellproof.com/dennis.html<br /><br />Also relevant body testimony from friends and family of Oliver "Pappy" Henderson:<br /><br />www.roswellproof.com/henderson.html<br /><br />My last count had around four dozen witnesses to an alien body or some sort of body recovery at Roswell, about 90% second-hand, but also a few first-hand witnesses.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-23849733536185971892011-01-21T15:17:29.747-08:002011-01-21T15:17:29.747-08:00Kevin,
Thanks for the reply/info.
In light of ma...Kevin,<br /><br />Thanks for the reply/info.<br /><br />In light of many witnesses being discredited, new ones coming out, I would think a posting or new Roswell update book would certainly help clear the confusion!<br /><br />My personal thoughts on Glenn Dennis and the mystery nurse is that he hid her true identity for reasons that might be beyond the Roswell incident, such as an affair.<br /><br />For that reason, I don't feel his testimony can be rejected.<br /><br />Please pardon my ignorance if that theory has already been addressed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07791653659577837709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-9275279055119673532011-01-21T08:29:30.020-08:002011-01-21T08:29:30.020-08:00For the Roswell case, and I stress, for the Roswel...For the Roswell case, and I stress, for the Roswell case, the military witnesses from Jess Marcel, Sr., to Edwin Easley. There are many good witnesses in that category... and there are still some good civilian witnesses such as Frankie Rowe and the Roswell fire fighter.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-92054034130971093822011-01-18T05:33:12.767-08:002011-01-18T05:33:12.767-08:00To avoid possible confusion:
I am not 'Chris...To avoid possible confusion: <br /><br />I am not 'Christopher' although we both have the same first names. <br /><br />You can now all relax in this great knowledge.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5782251089484928122011-01-17T15:24:44.825-08:002011-01-17T15:24:44.825-08:00Kevin,
I have been exclusively reading your books...Kevin,<br /><br />I have been exclusively reading your books lately after exhausting the Roswell/UFOcrash/MJ-12 material put out by Stanton Friedman and others...<br /><br />I initially believed much of what Stanton put out, but as of late, your POV has left me questioning it most of it and wondering if Mr. Friedman has an agenda himself.<br /><br />It seems a LOT of key witnesses have been added to the "liar list" lately, leaving me to ask you:<br /><br />Who's left? What testimony is left that we can rely on in the Roswell case and from who?<br /><br />I feel like there isn't much left to go on and what is still there, doesn't positively point to an ET event..Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07791653659577837709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-35910795711950299692011-01-15T18:02:05.787-08:002011-01-15T18:02:05.787-08:00It would be odd that a funeral home had just one e...It would be odd that a funeral home had just one employee. And just as odd that the embalmer would answer the phone and take requests. That would have been either the owner, trying to cut costs and get business, or a receptionist, who was willing to work cheep enough.<br /> Because the link to the funeral home wasn't suggested until late in the gane I would think that all the staff are long dead by now.Sargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04038947773327250058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-19405350608742175362011-01-15T00:12:58.103-08:002011-01-15T00:12:58.103-08:00Part 2 of 2:
I know this is parsing what may seem...Part 2 of 2:<br /><br />I know this is parsing what may seem to be a few thin hairs, but your noting someone else at the Ballard funeral home, not Dennis, may have received a call from RAAFB about small coffins does suggest an alternate scenario which is intriguing, if it could be established that the incidents, either one, did occur but that Dennis "adopted" them as his own experiences at the time when he retold them to you and others. As things stand now, it is highly ambiguous and unresolved. <br /><br />It would also be highly interesting if Dennis was confirmed to not be telling the truth, either about <i>his</i> experiences <i><b>or others,</b></i> and that there is no independent, verifiable, or firm basis to Dennis' stories other than his words. But you seem to have suggested otherwise, at least about the call to Ballard, and that's what I was curious about, question, and wonder what the basis of that implication might be. <br /><br />Can you help us out here, and respond in more detail about these specific, contingent questions?<br /><br />This seems to be an aspect of the overall Roswell incident that has not been made clear or explicated sufficiently to understand not just the chronology or sequence of events, but what actually happened and to whom. in reference to Dennis' stories. <br /><br />Do you know at least some of the answers to these questions, or at least who else might have made or received the RAAFB "small coffins" call, etc.?Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-43592243515840041842011-01-15T00:11:14.956-08:002011-01-15T00:11:14.956-08:00Part 1 of 2:
Ahem. Now that I've gotten that ...Part 1 of 2:<br /><br />Ahem. Now that I've gotten that little rant out of the way, I'd like to note, Kevin, that I was not referencing the book, "UFO Crash at Roswell: Genesis of a Modern Myth," in my series of questions about whether you thought Glenn Dennis might have misappropriated either or both of the stories he has told as having direct involvement in, or not. <br /><br />To summarize, it was kind of a complicated three-part question series that, regardless of the specific answers, might still illuminate aspects of the Roswell incident and Dennis' actual role, if any, in it. To reiterate:<br /><br />1.) Even if Dennis is either a confabulator or liar, since you suggested <i>someone else</i> at the Ballard funeral home might have actually received a call from RAAFB regarding the availability of small coffins and whether they could be hermetically sealed, what is the basis for that surmise? Do you have any real idea who, if not Dennis, might have received such a call? Do you know who made the call and request from RAAFB? <br /><br />2.) If there is a basis to your surmise, and if Dennis, as you imply, may have "adopted" someone else's story about the call as his own in retelling it decades later, do you think he may have done the same thing in his retelling of the nurse's story? If so, would this have been the same unknown person from the Ballard funeral home, or someone different? Do you have, if you think this latter, 2nd person, is possible, any idea who this second unknown person might have been? Or, do you think Dennis might have been the one to speak to the nurse, in turn? Or, do you think the nurse, and her story, has any independent validity, regardless of Dennis' alleged role in it, or not?<br /><br />3.) If Dennis used other persons' experiences as his own in his awkward and misleading retelling of these two stories when he was confronted with the fact that no record of a nurse named Naomi Self (or variations on that name) was ever at RAAFB during the time of the Roswell incident, and if you know who either of these unknown persons might be (if not the same person, OTOH), did anyone ever approach them or interview them? Can you tell us who they might be, even if deceased or not interviewed? Or is this hypothesis, about Dennis stealing other persons recounting to him of <i>their</i> actual experiences, [which would suggest more support for the Roswell incident, and that either or both incidents Dennis told about did occur, just not to him], itself either a confabulation or intentional lie by Dennis, for apparent self-aggrandizing reasons, and that neither aspect of "Dennis' stories" about the call or the nurse has been or can be confirmed in a substantive way, and that Dennis is simply dishonest for whatever reasons? Did anyone else ever come forward to endorse Dennis' version of events that you consider reliable?Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-7055760519451364982011-01-14T23:15:54.793-08:002011-01-14T23:15:54.793-08:00Sorry for the "double posting," above (a...Sorry for the "double posting," above (at 1:47 and 1:49 am). I got an error message after posting the comment I've left up, and could only post the draft one, or so I thought until I saw both this evening. I've deleted the draft version (1:49 am). <br /><br />I suppose commenters here should know that if you stay within the 4096 character limit (test by doing "preview" first to see), even if you compose a long comment and then preview it to make sure it's within 4096c., you may still get a generic "URL too large to process" type error when you then try to publish it, which doesn't even make sense as a descriptive error code term. <br /><br />This is a persistent Google / Blogger error--one of several that the comment function is afflicted by, but Google doesn't care, or they would have corrected it and 4 other comment function errors/problems years ago--they have apparently better things to do with their ten's of billions of dollars than provide adequate customer support or fix very basic blog site and comment function screw-ups. Go figure. <br /><br /><i>Anyway,</i> the point here is that if your comment is <i>within</i> 4096c., and you get the "URL too large to process" error, ignore it and don't attempt to repost, as the initial comment <i>will</i> get published in the thread, only it takes some minutes to do so, instead of appearing right away as usual. Otherwise, trying to repost results in a delayed double posting, as I belatedly found out. Sheesh! <br /><br />Another lesson from Google, the monopoly that teaches us so much about themselves by lack of due diligence and decent support.<br /><br />"Don't be evil," my ass! Oh, I almost forgot--they dropped that never true slogan years ago. 8^}Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44929604699091842712011-01-14T14:18:19.792-08:002011-01-14T14:18:19.792-08:00IF, that was the case, that Dennis "Borrowed&...IF, that was the case, that Dennis "Borrowed" the story, then the name of the nurse may not be a complete lie. He may have hear either a first or last name and guessed at the rest.<br /> Or just as likely tried to remember a name that he had heard at the hospital.Sargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04038947773327250058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70986754144239746412011-01-14T12:26:56.742-08:002011-01-14T12:26:56.742-08:00Kevin, agreed, the cited book, UFO Crash at Roswel...Kevin, agreed, the cited book, UFO Crash at Roswell: Genesis of a Modern Myth, is certainly not the last word on the events of 1947, but I think that the Roswell crash has become a modern American myth and the authors of the book describe the process by which that happened very well. I think it is stated in the forward or preface to the book that they are not attempting to make any statement regarding what exactly did take place there, but just the process by which it has become a modern myth. But I agree with you, after qualifying the whole thing as such, they then go on later in the book to engage in a campaign for the mogul balloon explanation, I think they just couldn't help themselves. My mind is open on the actual event. But I doubt we'll ever know.fysisisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06968068197707181040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20732136279839546192011-01-14T08:03:31.970-08:002011-01-14T08:03:31.970-08:00All -
Here is the chronology of these events surr...All -<br /><br />Here is the chronology of these events surrounding Dennis, as best as I can reconstruct them. I will answer no questions about what Stan Friedman might have said, done, or sent because I have no inside knowledge of that. I will note, however, that it was Stan's method to send witnesses a large package of UFO material before he interviewed them which certainly could lead to contamination.<br /><br />In 1978, Jesse Marcel talked of picking up pieces of a flying saucer. His story was one of many cited by Len Stringfield in his 1978 talk at the MUFON Symposium. Marcel was not mentioned in the published paper because the information from Marcel arrived after the due date of the paper. Stringfield did mention in the course of his presentation.<br /><br />In 1980 The Roswell Incident was published without much of a splash. It provided some of the preliminaries of the story along with some information that was less than accurate.<br /><br />In 1989 Unsolved Mysteries did a segment on the Roswell UFO crash. Now, I had learned Dennis' name prior to the broadcast and had set up a meeting with him about a month after the segment was filmed. Stan met with him about three weeks before my meeting and I said that I would not interview him as long as I received a transcript of the interview. I did receive a copy of most of it.<br /><br />In 1990 we were working on a documentary in Roswell and Mark Wolf arranged to meet Dennis. Two or three days later Dennis agreed to an interview on video tape. Wolf conducted that interview.<br /><br />The next day Dennis wanted to do another interview while dressed in a suit. Wolf agreed but I conducted that interview.<br /><br />The big Roswell splash came after those interviews...<br /><br />But here's the thing... Dennis lived in Roswell and while the rest of the country might not have taken much notice, in Roswell they did.<br /><br />And here is one other thing. I got Dennis' name from Walter Haut who was in this thing almost from the beginning. He wrote the original press release and he was interviewed by everyone. In fact, his wife kept a guest book and had everyone who visited to talk about UFOs sign it.<br /><br />All this means is that Dennis emerged prior to the explosion of Roswell information, but he didn't emerge into a vacuum.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-60147467722609413722011-01-14T07:46:48.454-08:002011-01-14T07:46:48.454-08:00Gentlemen -
First, the book you all cite about Ro...Gentlemen -<br /><br />First, the book you all cite about Roswell and the genesis of a myth is filled with half-truths and misinformation in an attempt to prove that what fell was a balloon array. <br /><br />For example, Charle Moore forgets to acknowledge that he received the winds aloof data from me. I sent him what he requested, and he asked for additional charts, which I supplied. In his book he suggests he received the material from another source.<br /><br />He also forgets that he, along with a couple of his colleagues traveled to Roswell to request their assistance in tracking his balloon arrays, which means the officers and soldiers at Roswell were aware of these arrays...<br /><br />He also fails to acknowledge that theproject was required to file NOTAMS about the balloon releases, which is to say that each launch was announced in the NOTAMS which would have been posted in the base Operations Building so that pilots, in their flight planning, would be aware of this possible hazard to aerial navigation... which means they would be looking for the balloon arrays so that they didn't fly into them.<br /><br />The myth here is that anyone would have been fooled by what is in essence a group of weather balloons and radar targets. You might disagree with the extraterrestrial theory but Mogul simply doesn't work.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33869748565753568052011-01-14T02:39:58.317-08:002011-01-14T02:39:58.317-08:00The questions I would like answered are these:
1....The questions I would like answered are these:<br /><br />1. Is there a transcript of Stan Friedman's initial interview with Dennis, and what does it reveal?<br /><br />2. Did Stan, either before or after the interview, supply Dennis with a lot of his published pro-ET papers on UFOs (Roswell or otherwise)?<br /><br />3. What Roswell books, articles, TV shows had Dennis seen before, or after, the Friedman interview? <br /><br />But I do not realistically expect to get the answers.<br /><br />At one time I read an interview of Dennis by one Anne McKie (or McFie?) in which, during the interview, she asked him how Friedman came to know of Dennis in the first place. Dennis' reply was "from some papers in Washington". <br /><br />Oh really? Which papers were these? Do you have any idea, Kevin, or is this another cock and bull story?cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.com