tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post5973845637405669511..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Fallout from the FiascoKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41694952540790326912015-06-08T12:53:08.314-07:002015-06-08T12:53:08.314-07:00Interesting in the Dreamland interview with Jaime ...Interesting in the Dreamland interview with Jaime Maussan that Linda Moulton Howe suggests that 'somebody put an alien body in the museum [Mesa Verde or Million Dollar?] to test public reaction' that somebody she suggests is a government agency.<br /><br />She doesn't appear to recall her Denver 2006 MUFON Symposium presentation on UFO crash retrievals where she discusses the reasons for the secrecy surrounding crashed UFOs and suggests that it maybe due, amongst other things, to concerns over the spread of alien viruses. She specifically refers to the 1952 5th MJ-12 Annual Report, Annex A paragraph 13 where it states, “In the opinion of the senior AEC medical officer, current medical equipment and supplies are wholly inadequate in dealing with a large scale outbreak of the alien virus.” A virus it is suggested earlier in the report might have killed four technicians, wearing protective suits, shortly after having come into contact with the retrieved bodies.<br /><br />Is it therefore plausible that a government agency would inveigle to put on public display the actual body of a retrieved alien?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196158526936242184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-76052123183003961082015-05-29T14:59:44.309-07:002015-05-29T14:59:44.309-07:00Steve, actually, Greg Bishop's Radio Misterios...Steve, <i>actually</i>, Greg Bishop's Radio Misterioso show of 5/10/15 with the RSRG was the first US broadcast of Catherine & Joseph Beason's names. http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/Roswell_Slides.mp3<br />But it was circulating before that on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rogerglassel/status/589099977265307649<br /><br />You are right about the 'splainin,' I might as well add to the background, Beason is a partner in Slidebox Media LLC, via "Redscare Media."<br /> Time for Mr. Beason to step out of the shadows and take a bow or whatever he's got coming.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-15001951247921962332015-05-29T14:22:38.720-07:002015-05-29T14:22:38.720-07:00"For whatever reason, the key players have no...<i>"For whatever reason, the key players have not used his name..."</i><br /><br />Actually, Kevin mentioned Beason's name as the owner of the slides a few days ago, in an audio podcast for openminds.tv, along with other interesting info about the background of the slides affair, at about the 27 minute mark at this link:<br /><br />http://www.openminds.tv/kevin-randle-the-roswell-slides-unraveled-may-26-2015/33716<br /><br />Also, see:<br /><br />https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/does-body-look-alien-you-bryce-zabel (from May 7th!)<br /><br />https://gorightly.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/what-can-we-learn-from-the-roswell-slides-by-adam-gorightly/<br /><br />http://www.anomalyarchives.org/public-hall/collections/files/roswell-slides/<br /><br />I only mention these references, and Beason's name, since they are now public and it seems to me that Beason and Adam Dew, who still remain silent and have yet to release the two highest-resolution copies of the slides, are the most probable beneficiaries of any proceeds and profit from the live stream and May 5th "reveal" event, and should be held accountable in some manner for the debacle that resulted from the 2+ years of promotion and apparent deception they initiated. <br /><br />Methinks they still "got some heavy 'splainin' to do."Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-53812090023042344702015-05-29T04:40:23.297-07:002015-05-29T04:40:23.297-07:00Steve, I collected some background info on Joe Bea...Steve, I collected some background info on Joe Beason and how he was connected to Adam Dew and Slidebox Media, LLC, but just didn't have enough to do anything more than name him. For whatever reason, the key players have not used his name, except for what seems like a slip of the tongue by Jaime Maussan on his show. When Maussan discussed how the physical slides would not be at the show, he said they would remain in the hands of their owner, Joseph Beason.Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-4579380255299459582015-05-29T04:26:18.818-07:002015-05-29T04:26:18.818-07:00Speaking of names, and further "Fallout from ...Speaking of names, and further "Fallout from the Fiasco," it appears that the name of the slides owner, Joseph Beason, has been popping up on various blogs, forums, online articles, etc. over the last couple of weeks. <br /><br />As has his sister's name, Catherine "Cat" Cecilia Beason, who found the slides. <br /><br />Interesting...Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-51039790960502658492015-05-17T05:16:49.814-07:002015-05-17T05:16:49.814-07:00All -
He legally changed it a quite a while ago. ...All -<br /><br />He legally changed it a quite a while ago. The first time I ever talked to him I was able to find him because he was listed in the telephone book as Eugene Olson. We had a very nice chat. That was decades ago.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-604240010791805402015-05-17T01:33:15.275-07:002015-05-17T01:33:15.275-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Movie Propshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120074549697034473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-91658483269892576532015-05-16T15:09:17.969-07:002015-05-16T15:09:17.969-07:00Kevin, several sources give Eugene E. Olson as Bra...Kevin, several sources give Eugene E. Olson as Brad Steiger's real name, starting with Wikipedia, and including:<br /><br />James Lewis (ed.): The Gods Have Landed, p 299<br />Jerome Clark: Unexplained! (2nd ed.), p 489<br /><br />Loren Coleman reports it as well:<br />http://www.cryptozoonews.com/hb-brad/<br />Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48193964330658564852015-05-16T11:14:30.967-07:002015-05-16T11:14:30.967-07:00b"h
A bulletin board like phpBB might provid...b"h<br /><br />A bulletin board like phpBB might provide a suitable venue for some measure of participant regulation.<br /><br />https://www.phpbb.com/<br /><br />Files can be uploaded. The administrator can set the forum's registration level from quite restricted to virtually unrestricted, and can wield the "ban hammer" if needed.William Strathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641055950393700958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84133400986053879072015-05-15T23:09:07.233-07:002015-05-15T23:09:07.233-07:00Let's do get our priorities straight.
Anonymi...Let's do get our priorities straight.<br /><br />Anonymity is the least of our worries. Seriously.<br /><br />The singular most toxic element in this field isn't the hoaxes and frauds. They're simply dismissed in due order. No, the poison in this field that apparently NO ONE is willing to address is the complete lack of decorum.<br /><br />There are contributors on this very forum who portend to post their "real identities" with "real names" with their "real background information" who then believe all this "real identity" nonsense gives them free reign to belittle, cajole, harass at will.<br /><br />Frankly, if any such future projects can not be conducted with an air of utmost collegiality and decorum I have NO interest in it whatsoever.<br /><br />I agree that Richard Dolan has lost much credibility these last few years after his involvement in several of these nonsensical ufo scams, but I will say this about Dolan... he NEVER stoops to the level some if his critics so casually do, and for THAT, I applaud him.<br /><br />Frankly Kevin, I would say you best employ a Broker No Shit standard. People who just can't play nice with the other children have no room in any effort you attempt to pursue, and quite frankly, I don't see it succeeding for that simple reason. Some of these "real people" seem quite content to be real jackasses.Gurkensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11155742546331278424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31197264801075282072015-05-15T12:53:14.209-07:002015-05-15T12:53:14.209-07:00@Neal Foy - agree. Other cases more interesting a...@Neal Foy - agree. Other cases more interesting and likely to produce better results.<br /><br />Whatever the group becomes, suggest focus on crash claims rather than sightings. Cheers!Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-34471690274657416822015-05-15T09:55:58.101-07:002015-05-15T09:55:58.101-07:00@Brian Bell
Actually, I don't disagree, time c...@Brian Bell<br />Actually, I don't disagree, time compression is real. The question is, does it apply equally to every individual? <br />To be honest, I'm kind of sick of Roswell. Most of the witnesses or alleged witnesses are dead. I'm skeptical of a lot of the alien body sightings. I think that something of high strangeness crashed there, but I can't say it's 100% true.<br />That's the reason for suggesting Stephensville or another more recent case where witnesses are alive. I don't know what happened there either but I think we have a chance to find out at least what it wasn't.<br />Call me cynical but in my opinion the definition of an expert as a guy with a briefcase a long way from home too often is true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16703256896826354786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-51322265707272570352015-05-15T08:35:00.212-07:002015-05-15T08:35:00.212-07:00@Neal Foy - indeed which is why credible sciences ...@Neal Foy - indeed which is why credible sciences must be applied including investigation of alternative hypothesese.<br /><br />Believe it or not, despite the fact the USAF totally screwed up in their bobbled explanation of "time compression".....medical science has already demonstrated significant memory decline issues that indeed compact protracted events and reinforce exaggerations of non-factual recollections. A simple Google search or access to medical databases already bear this out. Tired of hearing from Roswellians "no such thing exists as time compression" - it does, but don't expect a USAF officer without medical training to explain it well.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-49130618448832160622015-05-15T08:01:15.229-07:002015-05-15T08:01:15.229-07:00Hi Kevin,
This sounds like an excellent plan. This...Hi Kevin,<br />This sounds like an excellent plan. This is exactly what I've been thinking since this slide fiasco unwound. Putting into action may be difficult but not impossible IMO. The biggest problem beyond stopping the bickering is obtaining the cooperation of the FAA and other government bodies that may have relevant information. Maybe, as time goes by and such a model you suggest proves it is serious then that cooperation may materialize.<br />I would prefer using the Chilean model but for now I doubt that will happen. <br />I suggest that for a start, the Stephensville case should come under serious investigation. Raw radar of that event seems to be available. At least one skeptic claims that the data was cherry picked to give a false result. I don't know but I would certainly like to know. This particular case has a lot of what is needed, contemporaneous interviews with witnesses who could be re-interviewed to check for memory issues etc. These witnesses are still alive, a big plus in my opinion. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16703256896826354786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-7738903652029050952015-05-15T06:31:33.450-07:002015-05-15T06:31:33.450-07:00David Rudiak (2:30 PM):
"... at least back up...<b>David Rudiak</b> (2:30 PM):<br /><i>"... at least back up their statements with WELL-RESEARCHED actual references. No more research by proclamation allowed."</i><br /><br /><br /><br /><b>David Rudiak</b> (7:52 PM):<br /><i>"Certainly people in the past have had their careers compromised by publicly reporting a sighting or expressing an interest."</i><br /><br />It would be nice to lead by example.papagenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12865776641731039806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-92090333560354236362015-05-15T06:17:39.964-07:002015-05-15T06:17:39.964-07:00PS - on the above I AM NOT suggesting another type...PS - on the above I AM NOT suggesting another type of CUFOS, MUFON, CSETI, etc. That sort of thing must be avoided.<br /><br />By the way - you would get to the "round table debate" concept we spoke of earlier in this way.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41670813099645112382015-05-15T06:12:08.182-07:002015-05-15T06:12:08.182-07:00The coalition has to be something more than just l...The coalition has to be something more than just loose and less than corporate. I suggest members also post their bios on whatever website is created so that no assertions of secrecy can be made. It should also state their current disposition on the subject (ETH'er, full skeptic, open to any possibilities, etc). Gives followers a clear understanding of researchers' potential biases with benefits of being fully transparent.<br /><br />To do solid investigation you'll also need funding - unless members pay to get in (I don't suggest that), consider a global nonprofit entity that followers can make small donations to for financial support of the endeavor. Crowd fund it first as a test.<br /><br />Any member -skeptic or believer - gets no money for their efforts - no salary. All donations go into research, investigation, open and free publishing of results or conclusions, etc.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5879357131879473642015-05-15T06:10:25.526-07:002015-05-15T06:10:25.526-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.William Strathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641055950393700958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-69509527183418327432015-05-15T05:48:42.330-07:002015-05-15T05:48:42.330-07:00I got goose bumps when I read this, Kevin. That p...I got goose bumps when I read this, Kevin. That probably proves I'm the only girl in here. lol<br /><br />The idea of everyone coming together with what they know and working together in an unbiased way, respecting other people's knowledge an opinions….it could lead to wonderful exciting things! <br /><br />I laugh because it seems so easy, but some people will never come out of their own box. <br /><br />Even in this thread, there are so many comments of "Yeah, that would be great, BUT…."<br /><br />No BUTS!! Let's do this. I'm in.Genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12587697948482859690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-71562098155974627162015-05-15T05:33:34.364-07:002015-05-15T05:33:34.364-07:00Terry -
Brad Steiger is his real name.Terry -<br /><br />Brad Steiger is his real name.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-82224171735843444412015-05-15T03:20:26.587-07:002015-05-15T03:20:26.587-07:00From a practical point of view tools such as Wikis...From a practical point of view tools such as Wikis or Sharepoint (etc) might be useful for sharing documents, whilst the blog format might be useful as a means of summarising developments. In depth studies of specific issues may go on for a long time, so a means of accessing all relevant information such as a Wiki may be usefulAnthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31481647293291514472015-05-14T22:23:59.432-07:002015-05-14T22:23:59.432-07:00@David Rudiak
> everyone who comments has to co...@David Rudiak<br />> everyone who comments has to comment under a real name<br /><br />You would ban Isaac Koi?<br /><br />What about Brad Steiger? (Not his real name either.)<br /><br />And the Duke of Mendoza too?Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18367411116420128682015-05-14T19:52:38.552-07:002015-05-14T19:52:38.552-07:00Paul Kimball wrote:
Nobody is going to get fired ...Paul Kimball wrote:<br /><br /><i>Nobody is going to get fired simply because they have an interest in UFOs.</i><br /><br />Depends on their position. Certainly people in the past have had their careers compromised by publicly reporting a sighting or expressing an interest. <br /><br />Younger academics, e.g., seeking tenure are very vulnerable to getting blackballed by their senior academics and having their academic careers stall. Even academics with tenure expressing unpopular opinions might see their grants from NIH or NSF dry up, since you might now be considered fringe or even a nutcase. <br /><br />It's not just UFOs; it's anything taboo outside of what is considered mainstream. E.g., Peter Duesberg, molecular biologist and an expert in retroviruses, lost all his grants when he championed what became known as AIDs denialism. Duesberg didn't believe the HIV retrovirus caused AIDS. This was very early on (1987) in the outbreak of the AIDs epidemic when little was still known about the disease. (I'm not here to argue whether Duesberg was right or wrong, only that you risk losing your research money for being a contrarian and expressing an unpopular view.)<br /><br />Another example, when Hynek and Sturrock polled astronomers, astrophysicists, etc. if they had UFO sightings, they reported most who said they had chose anonymity for fear of what it might do to their careers. <br /><br />Or if you are a politician, it is a third rail of politics. Or a policeman, or an airline pilot. Your credibility and psychological stability are likely to be questioned. (Which is why NARCAP, e.g., guarantees anonymity to pilots who report to them, should they choose. Most do just that.)<br /><br />There is very much a sociological and political aspect to being involved in any way with the subject, and yes, many people do very much fear the effect it will have on their jobs.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-9726230467222210582015-05-14T18:45:40.479-07:002015-05-14T18:45:40.479-07:00An excellent suggestion. As an interested outsider...An excellent suggestion. As an interested outsider to this discussion, IMHO what is sorely needed is an elevation of the level of discourse. It may require a new site with very strict parameters for participation. Some of the hardy skeptics on this blog seem to participate because they actually want to know what is going on. They seem rightly frustrated at having to wade through fraud, after hoax, after irrational thinking, after pseudo-scientific proclamation, to get to an honest, rational discussion of a true puzzle.I think most of us knew how this slide-thing would end. So, onto the next investigation but with a nucleus of serious-minded investigators. You all exist.Marcoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17240714533187504702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-65261856061509693842015-05-14T17:44:02.348-07:002015-05-14T17:44:02.348-07:00I think you're right on, Kevin. The thing that...I think you're right on, Kevin. The thing that bothered me the most about the slides was that the presenters of the 'evidence' charged money so people could see it. They hoarded this 'evidence' as if it was going to make them a bundle. This is not how potential artifacts of the E.T. phenomenon should be shared. This isn't some type of sporting event. On the contrary, this information should be shared freely with all who are interested. After all, we are trying to understand what the phenomenon is all about. If we are proven wrong, well then too bad for us. We have to accept that, even if it hurts. When financial motives are involved, it may lead to half-truths, unverified information, and false hopes. I like your idea of sharing on Facebook or other blog-related sites. This discipline we refer to as 'ufology' should be more about educating each other than making a buck. If we don't remove the financial motivation here, we may never get the true answers we seek. Everyone on this earth deserves to know the truth about intelligent life from other planets or dimensions visiting here. Oh, and I also agree with you that too many people on your blog are more interested in pushing their beliefs than seeking out the facts in a methodical/scientific manner. Wow, and a lot of egos too. Many intelligent people, however, follow you, so that says a lot about the respect people have for your opinion. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219955978561630627noreply@blogger.com