tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post7428803206953086426..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: X-Zone Broadcast Network - Michael HornKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3896981954827884582017-12-06T23:32:58.068-08:002017-12-06T23:32:58.068-08:00It is just funny looking at both sides of this arg...It is just funny looking at both sides of this argument especially Michael Ho.. I mean William Tel, that you have to be inflammatory and always be on the offensive if you are a Meier supporter because the other side can expend very little effort in making very valid points. So men in black planted fake photos? The Pliedians dematerialized a radioactive tree that appears in a number of questionable photos? Billy Meier admitted to making small models of beam ships for his kids? You don't necessarily need a PhD (though I am glad Kevin has one!) to throw a monkey wrench into those arguments now do you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62999134459744645622017-12-05T22:32:23.583-08:002017-12-05T22:32:23.583-08:00William,
That 'you haven't done enough re...William,<br /><br />That 'you haven't done enough research' routine doesn't fly with me. Back in the 1990s I already ordered booklets from FIGU. With the onset of the internet I practically read every contact report and bulletin Meier published. I even argued with Michael Horn on Meier's discussion board back in 2002. (He hasn't changed a bit.)<br /><br />At first I was fascinated by the Meier case but gradually I reached a negative conclusion. The reasons for that was Meier's dismissal of other UFO cases, I mentioned this in the comment section before that Meier is a debunker himself. Secondly, Meier's alleged WCUFO has the base of a Harcostar drum lid. A crystal clear sign of fraud. Thirdly, all the excuses that come up whenever something goes wrong which isn't satisfying proof at all.<br />Finally, there's the religious aspect of the Meier case. He claims to be some ancient spirit form that created people in other parts of the universe and that he's the reincarnation of Jmmanuel (a.k.a. Jesus Christ), Mohammed and other Biblical figures... All the hallmarks of a cult.<br />And since I discovered Billy Meier also was in prison for a number of years, escaped once from prison, joined the French Army and subsequently deserted from it, beat and cheated on his wife and molested his child, I realized what Billy Meier is. A criminal megalomaniac!Ed V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14274297261939552606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-43519295661014566302017-12-04T13:00:56.426-08:002017-12-04T13:00:56.426-08:00It is tiresome, isn't it Kevin?
In a real deb...It is tiresome, isn't it Kevin?<br /><br />In a real debate these nitwits are easy to dispatch. That's why Horn chickened out of one with me.<br /><br />He had the sheer nerve to write me saying that I could call into his Youtube program to debate him--a program he controls with no moderation. Sounds fair, no?<br /><br />It's hard to say if Horn is just a pure little troll just having fun or if he is really that deluded.<br /><br />Regardless, people like him (and William, I would guess) make the world a stupider, more cowardly and worse place to live.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-37567343591359147052017-12-04T12:39:15.604-08:002017-12-04T12:39:15.604-08:00CDA -
I will moderate the blog... don't need ...CDA -<br /><br />I will moderate the blog... don't need any help. Besides the grammar discussion helps understand the thought processes of some other individuals. So, yes, there is an English lesson here... take heed, I know the difference between bring and take; hanged and hung; and affect and effect. Just thought I would mention it. KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-81544545450513639332017-12-04T12:36:53.251-08:002017-12-04T12:36:53.251-08:00William –
For the last time, I believe that your ...William –<br /><br />For the last time, I believe that your reading comprehension is badly flawed. I told you that the phrase, “Between you and I,” was grammatically incorrect. You responded with a website describing the uses of the phrase, “You and I.” It provided several examples in which the use of you and I were correct. However, it said nothing about the specific phrase, between you and I.<br /><br />I provided four separate websites that dealt specifically with the phrase, “between you and me,” showing that in this, specific case, you and me was not only acceptable, but was proper while between you and I was not.<br /><br />The difference here, which you have failed to grasp, is that there are many cases in which it is proper to say you and I, but when preceded by “between,” then the proper grammar is you and me. Get it? I was speaking of one specific case. But you don’t seem to have bothered to look at the websites I provided which would have made this clear and we could have completed the conversation long ago.<br /><br />Now, why is it that you haven’t condemned Wendelle Stevens? He spent six years in prison for child molestation. Isn’t that a somewhat disqualifying condition? Or, do you subscribe to the nonsense that the CIA set him up to discredit him? Doesn’t his prison time suggest he might not be the best of sources?<br /><br />Jim Dilettoso inflated his educational resume, which he admitted. Several of his analyses of photographs and videos have been shown to be in error, and in the case of Oliver’s Castle, which he had endorsed as authentic, is an admitted hoax. He also said that the captions produced for one of Stevens’ books about the Meier case were misleading. Doesn’t that give you pause? And we have seen that he and Stevens, using De Anza Systems to “analyze” some of the photographs, was not analysis at all but manipulation of the photographs as a way showing what the computer system could do. Tony Ortega reporting in the Phoenix New Times proved that. Why ignore it? <br /><br />I sent you a private email that outlined many of the problems I found with the Meier case that included interviewing (well, talking with) some of the people involved with Meier. I looked at the dozens of witness statements, some of which were to things that proved no extraterrestrial contact (such as him typing really, really fast), and I looked at statements by those who were once in the Meier camp who have now repudiated their statements… but there is always some lame excuse for dismissing these people.<br /><br />I also provided you with a list of postings here that took much of this to task, which, apparently you either didn’t read or rejected out of hand. I have shown predictions that were wrong, such as the number of moons of Jupiter. When I pointed out Meier had predicted 17 but there were more than 60, I was told the Pleiadeans had a different definition of moon… and we’re supposed to buy that. Now, if I don’t provide additional examples, are you going to say, you only found one? Or are you capable of understanding that this is simply one example.<br /><br />I now bow out because this is a colossal waste of time. Your misunderstanding of the term between you and me is an example of your inability to process information. You just can’t wrap your head around the idea that you and I is acceptable in some circumstances but between you and I is not one of them. <br />KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41793377410361123172017-12-04T11:25:55.567-08:002017-12-04T11:25:55.567-08:00Bombastic Bill & Ed V. -
It's clear you t...Bombastic Bill & Ed V. -<br /><br />It's clear you two aren't aware of the full extent of the Meier case and all of its evidence and Analysis.<br /><br />It's all so clear to me that like Kevin Randle, Mahesh and other so-called investigators, are very clueless as to the actual extent of the evidence in the Meier case and have yet to present any substantiation of their hoax claims.<br /><br />Now, just based on logic, if anyone in the UFO community, Kevin Randle and Mahesh included, would have actually presented any substantial evidence that Meier hoaxed any of his material then I would actually take it seriously but it's clear no one has done this.<br /><br />All of these so-called investigators can nitpick small issues in the Meier case that have nothing to do with the physical evidence all they want but that doesn't detract from the actual validity of the mountain of physical evidence in this case.<br /><br />A different perspective = not reality-based programming. You're fooling your audience and yourselves.<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-12799170323788550332017-12-04T06:33:08.076-08:002017-12-04T06:33:08.076-08:00Kevin and William:
Is this supposed to be a learn...Kevin and William:<br /><br />Is this supposed to be a learned debate about the Meier case or is it supposed to be an English lesson?<br /><br />To adopt Nitram Ang's frequent comments, is this a debate, an investigation or a lesson in English grammar?cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-76707502696774615642017-12-04T03:23:51.089-08:002017-12-04T03:23:51.089-08:00Randle -
As I said before, what you conveniently...Randle - <br /><br />As I said before, what you conveniently censored, I know what the grammar rules states but I don't like it. I prefer the old way because this form was acceptable not even 20 years ago. Which is just "between you and I Randle." ;-)<br /><br />Plus, I don't need a grammar lesson from someone who can't prove their own claims against the Meier case. Are these even your Clans because it seems like you didn't do any actual investigating regarding this case.<br /><br />I would advise you stop the distractions and answer the questions where is your proof Meier host is physical evidence? Because I won't stop I'll keep hounding you until you answer my question I will never blog or worthless website you choose to present your unsubstantiated material.<br /><br />WT<br />William Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57679583194281127752017-12-04T03:09:58.402-08:002017-12-04T03:09:58.402-08:00Randle -
Again regarding grammar reference that ...Randle - <br /><br />Again regarding grammar reference that you pointed it out; I have read through the website I posted and it clearly states "between you and I" is acceptable, even preferred for those that know good writing;<br /><br />http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-026.html<br /> <br />However, the fact that you point out that and not actually provide any proof of your claims clearly shows you don't have any actual proof to back up your claims against the Meier case.<br /><br />Why haven't you attacked Bartholomaus, who lied, stole, defamed,misrepresented and IS a PROVEN liar?<br /><br />So what's next for you Randle; are you going to censor this post also or are you going to actually provide evidence to support your claims and attack a man who has been proven to be wrong, just like you?<br /><br />I'll await your response with bated breath. This is the difference between "you and I"; I can actually provide evidence to support what I believe. I don't think you can.<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66422315346716794182017-12-03T14:28:20.124-08:002017-12-03T14:28:20.124-08:00William –
Well, you would have been right had you...William –<br /><br />Well, you would have been right had you bothered to read the article you posted and realized that I was not talking about situations in which “you and I” would be correct, but about the specific phrase, “between you and me.” Here are several sources that will let you understand your mistake… but it does make me wonder about your research capabilities and not looking beyond the first place which confirms what you wish to believe.<br /><br />http://www.dictionary.com/e/youandme/<br /><br />https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/between-you-and-me<br /><br />http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/between-you-and-me<br /><br />http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/between_you_and_I_or_me.htm<br />KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-83035809189525448922017-12-03T13:54:27.746-08:002017-12-03T13:54:27.746-08:00Kevin -
It is relevant for discussion because yo...Kevin - <br /><br />It is relevant for discussion because you're not actually doing any of your own investigating what you're doing is copying other people's work so to speak. The reason I say that is because you have nothing new to offer as far as claims against this case that haven't already been refuted. So Randle I say again where is the proof of your claims being valid against in the Meier case? You have yet to present any clear unequivocal evidence of a hoax.<br /><br />No answer the grammar error claim; I still say you and I because over the last decade that has changed to you and me which doesn't roll off my tongue with any kind of ease and or fluidity. This is again the case of you not doing your research because technically both are correct the you-and-me preference has only going by what in the last 20 years and honestly I don't like it. Improve that my grammar is correct and you are wrong is right here; http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w026.html<br /><br />So again Randle I would take a step back and do some actual investigating before you jump on anyone else's bandwagon and think you have a valid claim for anything in the future. <br /><br />Just a thought to save you from future embarrassment.<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-47685192736417973162017-12-03T13:45:40.360-08:002017-12-03T13:45:40.360-08:00William -
I wasn't going to play any more, bu...William -<br /><br />I wasn't going to play any more, but I thought I'd mention that I am not a member of MUFON, have never been a member of MUFON and probably won't join in the future, though that point is irrelevant to this discussion.<br /><br />BTW, just for fun, I will note that the correct grammar is between you and me, not you and I.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66272079351946239022017-12-03T13:33:12.102-08:002017-12-03T13:33:12.102-08:00Kevin -
My hearing is just fine. I think what yo...Kevin - <br /><br />My hearing is just fine. I think what you lack is vision. Being blinded by your MUFON overlords I can see why you have trouble seeing the reality right in front of you. Do you ever actually think for yourself or are you just following orders? <br /><br />The difference between you and I is that I came to the conclusion Meier is valid on my own. Therefore I am not beholden to Michael Horn, Billy Meier or anyone else affiliated with his case as they have no power over me. <br /><br />I can't say the same thing for you...<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-59523378969936726422017-12-03T13:18:50.540-08:002017-12-03T13:18:50.540-08:00William -
Same to you, now, I think I won't t...William -<br /><br />Same to you, now, I think I won't take my full turn because it is clear that you don't listen.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-79686888063763323222017-12-03T12:41:10.922-08:002017-12-03T12:41:10.922-08:00Kevin -
Yes it does actually; because you have n...Kevin - <br /><br />Yes it does actually; because you have not proven it to be invalid even though you believe you have and keep repeating those same claims without any actual evidence. So Randle, where is your proof that Meier "hoaxed" all of his evidence?<br /><br />Despite what you may believe I have looked at all of the evidence pro and con and found there is no validity to the claims of a hoax or unreliability of any of the investigators in this case.<br /><br />If you would actually take an objective look at the evidence as any worthwhile investigator would do for him to have your beliefs challenged...<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-30076718419514832492017-12-03T11:59:30.231-08:002017-12-03T11:59:30.231-08:00William -
You realize, of course, that your conti...William -<br /><br />You realize, of course, that your continued claims about the overwhelming evidence in the Meier case doesn't make it so. You realize that suggestions that the Men in Black have stolen and replaced hundreds of Meier photographs to discredit him doesn't make it so. You realize that the gaps in the logic for support of the Meier case are vast and that suggests that many of those claims are invalid.<br /><br />If you would take a dispassionate look at all the evidence, pro and con (something you accuse me of not doing), you might find your beliefs challenged...KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26535044345971405082017-12-03T11:29:39.757-08:002017-12-03T11:29:39.757-08:00Bombastic Bill - prove it.
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Ed V. - if the...Bombastic Bill - prove it.<br /><br />& <br /><br />Ed V. - if the "pigeon" crapped all over the board with evidence, logic and reason, then your feeble analogy would be accurate. <br /><br />However, the only reason it seems this way is that the "UFO investigators" like Randle, Mahesh and others who not only don't know this case, but deny the evidence on front of them because if they confirm this case as genuine, then their work and lives become irrelevant.<br /><br />So here's another accurate analogy for you; "Arguing with Michael Horn is like arguing with arguing with him in front of a wall; whenever anyone denies the existence or validity of the wall, Michael throws pieces of it at us and makes us look foolish and uninformed." <br /><br />The Meier Case has so much evidence that anyone denying it's validity needs to open their eyes and clear the pieces of wall out of them...<br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-54277901287573703382017-12-02T23:47:56.503-08:002017-12-02T23:47:56.503-08:00What did I tell you? Debating Michael Horn is like...What did I tell you? Debating Michael Horn is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how well you play the pigeon is going to sh*t all over the board and than parade around like it has won.Ed V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14274297261939552606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-7579411554020089812017-12-02T15:43:43.418-08:002017-12-02T15:43:43.418-08:00Michael... I... Talked...to...a...retired...Astron...Michael... I... Talked...to...a...retired...Astronaut/Supreme court justice/AFOSI agent/photo expert/Ascended Master...and...he...said, "[Billy]...[Meier]...(faked)...all his...evidence...and..I...would...totally...win...in...a...game...of...trivial pursuit...(or court of law)." Now...try...and...refute...that!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-61133614206139040532017-11-30T20:43:44.318-08:002017-11-30T20:43:44.318-08:00Lance -
Get ready to eat your hat again...lol
T...Lance - <br /><br />Get ready to eat your hat again...lol<br /><br />The only thing I need to say to your claim that "virtually all" of the Meier material has been reproduced is, PROVE IT! Where are these reproductions, who did this and how? Also, kindly provide this proof for"VIRTUALLY ALL" of the Meier material, because if what you say is true, the evidence that he "hoaxed it all" is our there right?<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-16832060774621736732017-11-30T09:48:18.256-08:002017-11-30T09:48:18.256-08:00MH: "Clearly, it's because the...UFO comm...MH: "Clearly, it's because the...UFO community - can't...handle...the...truth."<br /><br />Exactly my point! You (and people like you) can't handle the truth that you have been deluding yourself in your ignorance and wasted a major portion of your life in "researching" and defending a con man whose life long work never made any iota of (real and direct) contribution to the world; of course other than serving as an example for a crafty, dedicated and yet a foolish trickster.<br /><br />Re. so-called 20+ assassination attempts, the fact that Meier never registered even one police report says it all. Why? A simple police report would allow the police to enter into Meier's premises and collect all evidence especially the ballistic evidence which upon careful investigation would immediately identity the type of the gun from which the bullet was fired and may well reveal the identity of its owner - which most probably will be either Meier or his associates. Of course, Meier doesn't want this to happen, so he simply cooks up the assassination stories, which is uncritically swallowed and repeated by his disciples.<br /><br />And re. the assassination attempt story where Wendelle was present, even Meier in his contact reports stated that Wendelle was very gullible and this has been proven many times through out Wendelle's career. So, Wendelle's testimony for such an event is highly questionable and unreliable, given he has a vested interest in the case both financially and emotionally.UFO-Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410917333034600656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-1082914665647235102017-11-30T09:21:34.449-08:002017-11-30T09:21:34.449-08:00I've interviewed eyewitnesses to 14 attempts o...I've interviewed eyewitnesses to 14 attempts on Meier's life, the most recent of which was two years ago, when Meier and Daniel Lutz werecominig out of the computer room on the property.<br /><br />The real point is that people like cd, having zero understanding of many of life's realities, wants to trivialize the VERY real life difficulties that this one many has had, simply because he is telling the truth about the most important true story in human history.<br /><br />Absolutely true to form, people who CLAIM to want to find the real truth about UFOs and extraterrestrials, etc., are no more equipped to handle it than they are to hold molten metal in their hands. Why do you think these singularly authentic contacts have not only been ongoing for over 75 years...but also MUST be conducted in this manner?<br /><br />Clearly, it's because the majority of Earth's population - and ESPECIALLY the UFO community - can't...handle...the...truth.Michael Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11924328600909800227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48400629270921534112017-11-30T03:31:45.097-08:002017-11-30T03:31:45.097-08:00Cda -
To your last point the only thing Fidel Ca...Cda - <br /><br />To your last point the only thing Fidel Castro and Billy Meier have in common is that they're both high value targets but in different categories. The other thing they have in common is that both have been pursued by the CIA and that can actually be proven as well through the documentary are you were Lee Elders had actually seen government agents following them into with a billion Meier household<br /> So you see CDA just from this one documentary that I'm sure you haven't watched gives you evidence to back up the assassination attempt to claims that you seem to want question and for some reason want me to prove which I have no ability to do all I can do is take my word for it because he showed himself to be trustworthy and honest the complete opposite of which has could be said for any one of the so-called investigators in the UFO community.<br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-2241445939797930632017-11-30T03:28:40.933-08:002017-11-30T03:28:40.933-08:00Cda -
Considering I was born in 1982 and perhaps...Cda - <br /><br />Considering I was born in 1982 and perhaps some of these assassination attempts occurred previous to my birth I can't tell you about these attempts however what I can tell you is that during the filming of the investigation into this case thumb by wendelle Stevens and his team Meier was shot at and his children were almost taken from him so you can equivale you want with the details and our proof of these attempts but the fact remains we have at least one on record and I'm sure others that have been witnessed by either family friends or even Neighbors and to me you asking me to inform the Swiss police or tell you about all the attempts that I wasn't either born for or therefore doesn't make any logical sense. <br /><br />WTWilliam Ter Burghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366376498025582961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-4594448530668098512017-11-29T07:25:57.200-08:002017-11-29T07:25:57.200-08:00WTB:
"...and last but not least, the 24 time...WTB:<br /><br />"...and last but not least, the 24 times people have tried to kill him."<br /><br />I said I rested my case, but I now resurrect it, in part.<br /><br />The above quote is from you. Have you or Meier reported any of these 24 murder attempts to the Swiss law enforcement authorities?<br /><br />If so, what was the result? If not, why not? Is attempted murder legal in Switzerland? <br /><br />The only person I have heard of who had so many attempts on his life was Fidel Castro, late dictator of Cuba. But he was in a rather different ballpark to Billy Meier.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.com