tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post8109544086244809772..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: The Eisenhower Briefing Document, MJ-12, and the Del Rio UFO CrashKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-37901069144250440842018-07-02T05:33:22.510-07:002018-07-02T05:33:22.510-07:00haints -
There is no requirement for Air Force of...haints -<br /><br />There is no requirement for Air Force officers, upon discharge, to join the CAP. People who have never served in the military can join the CAP and become officers. In the 1960s, that was much easier than it is today. It is clear from the military records that Willingham never served in the Air Force, was not an officer, and was not a fighter pilot. In another picture from the late 1960s or early 1970s, he is wearing both military awards and decorations along with those from the CAP. This proves it is a CAP uniform because the Air Force does not authorize the wearing of CAP awards on the Air Force uniform. However, the CAP does authorize the wear of military awards on the CAP uniform. BTW, the military awards that Willingham is wearing were not awarded to him. This is a case of stolen valor.<br /><br />The truth is that Willingham was an officer in the CAP and tried to convince people it was part of the Air Force Reserve. There are those who didn't understand the distinction, believing that the CAP was a branch of the Air Force. The CAP is an important organization, but it is not a part of the Air Force but an auxiliary of it,made up of civilian volunteers. They receive no pay, they are not awarded retirement points but they do preform an important function in search and rescue.<br /><br />The bottom line here is that Willingham lied about his military service, lied about his flight experience and lied about seeing the UFO crash, which, ironically, was included in the fake Eisenhower Briefing Document, proving it is fake.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-67554605277307777192018-07-01T19:10:35.736-07:002018-07-01T19:10:35.736-07:00The photograph of Robert Willingham is of him as a...The photograph of Robert Willingham is of him as a Major in the Civil Air Patrol. Air Force officers typically only begin wearing a Senior Member CAP uniform following their discharge from the military, since CAP is a civilian program. It is highly unlikely that an Air Force officer would go from a higher military rank to a lower CAP rank upon joining CAP.<br /><br />What he is not wearing is just as important -- no pilot's wings. A former military pilot would be entitled to wear them in CAP, and would almost certainly do so, the CAP and Air Force wings are the same.<br /><br />I suspect that Willingham was never a Lt. Colonel and Air Force pilot, and may not have been in the Air Force at all.haintshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619704032068100338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84590090750167485692014-04-07T03:21:01.295-07:002014-04-07T03:21:01.295-07:00@Don:
Did you read any of the articles at the lin...@Don:<br /><br />Did you read any of the articles at the links I provided to you above regarding how and why MJ-12 and the related EDB, C/T, Forrestal, and SOM 1-01 documents are a now proven hoax and fraud? <br /><br />If not, your really need to do some reading, and the required research, before more "armchair" speculation about MJ-12 and related matters, like the fraudulent "Del Rio" and "El Indio - Guerrero" UFO "crashes." <br /><br />The real answers to your repeated questions and doubts are there, in the data, as Kevin has cited now several times to you. <br /><br />If you don't take the time and make the effort to do what I'm suggesting, and find out for yourself, instead of rehashing what should be obvious to you by now, and as Kevin and David Rudiak have documented, then I'm afraid your "will to believe" and consequent confirmation biases in favor of the MJ-12 documents and supposed crashes cannot be remedied. FYI, DIY. <br /><br />For those interested, here is a link to the .pdf document noted by Kevin as "... additional information..." uploaded by James Carrion, former director of MUFON, and cited by Isaac Koi on the Google group, the UFO Collective, to the aforesaid Zechel documents. <br /><br />I've read all 159 pages, and it's quite intriguing and revealing for a variety of reasons. I urge you, Don, to check out the citations and links I've already given you for your edification. <br /><br />The "W. Todd Zechel files":<br /><br />https://app.box.com/s/zkq4xq2v32gwnren8rlx<br /><br />Zechel, by the way, died in late 2006.Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5680116177770773682014-04-06T18:01:11.255-07:002014-04-06T18:01:11.255-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088919807990926109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6566616163505012782014-04-06T18:00:12.096-07:002014-04-06T18:00:12.096-07:00What if the inconsistencies are a means to debunk ...<b>What if</b> the inconsistencies are a means to debunk public perspective??? Something obviously took place... Why document an incident unless it happened???Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088919807990926109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-89135239652904852862014-04-03T19:10:59.229-07:002014-04-03T19:10:59.229-07:00Kevin:
I don't see any solid reason to connec...Kevin:<br /><br />I don't see any solid reason to connect without doubts the reality of the "Del Rio" alleged case to the reality of the "El Indio Guerrero" alleged case. IMO, two scenarios are possible (maybe among others)<br /><br /><b>First possible scenario</b>: The "Del Rio case" is unreal, a hoax, created by the now infamous Wilinham, but the hoax is inspired on a similar case, REAL, which happened in Dec 1950 near "El Indio Guerrero".<br /><br /><b>Second possible scenario</b>: The "Del Rio" case is a real case, which happened in 1948, near Del Rio and is independent of the case occurred at El Indio-Guerrero in 1950. Any connection between the two is merely inside the minds of UFO feverish researchers trying to reduce the complexity of the hundreds of UFO cases, landings and incidents occurred during the late 1940 and the whole 1950 decade. <br /><br />If Moore <i>et al</i> are the guys who created the EBD, a question pops up: <br />¿From where got Moore <i>et al</i> the location name "El Indio - Guerrero"? Did they just closed their eyes and then put a finger in the Texas map?<br /><br />Other question to be answered before any lucubration is: <br />¿What really triggered the alert of Dec. 1950? Responding this question would really solve the problem. The absence of any answer until this day most probably means that it is UFO related. Something happened in that date.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3117569089978960362014-04-03T12:22:22.411-07:002014-04-03T12:22:22.411-07:00Don –
I see where you are coming from, but the evi...Don –<br />I see where you are coming from, but the evidence doesn’t rest solely on Zechel but on an array of other evidence. The original tale, told by Robert Willingham was published in MUFON’s Skylook (March 1968), which was their publication then. It provides the initial details of this crash. For this tale to be credible, Willingham must be credible, but the evidence shows that rather than being an Air Force officer and fighter pilot, he was a low-ranking enlisted man with about 13 months of military service.<br /><br />Zechel entered the picture and changed the date of the crash to coincide with an alert that took place in December 1950, which was done to add credibility to the tale. The information was shared with Bill Moore, and Moore reported on it in The Roswell Incident (see page 131, hardback) showing that Moore knew about it.<br />There are a number of people, in the late 1970s and early 1980s who believed this tale because it came from a source who was allegedly a retired Air Force officer. Moore was in possession of the information and the EDB is traceable back to Moore and no further.<br /><br />But take all that out of the equation, and you are left with a tale of a UFO crash without any other source. There are no other witness statements, there are no documents, and there is nothing to confirm this statement. It is a hoax that can be traced to a single source, Willingham, and a date of creation, 1968.<br /><br />So, if there was no crash in that area, and all the evidence points to a hoax, then there would be no reason for it to be included in a document prepared to brief the president. If it is included, and we know it is a hoax, then doesn’t that suggest that the document is a fraud? How do we get around that point?<br /><br />Take Zechel out, use the information provided by Willingham, though you’re going to have to specify with sets of data you want to use (1. Three objects in formation, one crash, date 1948. 2. Single object crash, date 1950. 3. Single object crash, date 1954 or maybe 1955, as just a few examples) and why is there all these problems with the original data. Given what we know, if the EBD is authentic, then there is no reason for this information to be included… that it is, tells us all we really need to know about the EDB.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-81151355485907306072014-04-02T18:58:08.240-07:002014-04-02T18:58:08.240-07:00Correct me if I am wrong, but what I see is Kevin ...Correct me if I am wrong, but what I see is Kevin somehow choosing to believe some selected claims coming from Zechel in the middle of a storming show of Zechel's flaws, red herrings, hatred, lies, etc.<br /><br />Certainly, Kevin's blogpost does not look as fatal flaw of the EBD.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-8129267031745989612014-04-01T19:01:28.332-07:002014-04-01T19:01:28.332-07:00Interesting article Kevin.
I only disagree with ...Interesting article Kevin. <br /><br />I only disagree with you when you try to move to other "more interesting things". <br /><br />Sorry but if this trend is confirmed, it could become a proof that the EBD is a hoax. Not uninteresting.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20309642970141084062014-04-01T10:05:08.740-07:002014-04-01T10:05:08.740-07:00Good job, Kevin.Good job, Kevin.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14431818950679813051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62952339381791734522014-04-01T07:43:16.501-07:002014-04-01T07:43:16.501-07:00I agree that there other, more important, things t...I agree that there other, more important, things to talk about. Maybe the forthcoming Roswell slides will turn out to be worth talking about. But it is a very big 'maybe'.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-40762082552999703102014-03-31T20:07:03.044-07:002014-03-31T20:07:03.044-07:00Nice job, Kevin.
Thanks,
LanceNice job, Kevin.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />LanceLancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.com