tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post8119538379588863318..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: The Source of the Socorro Symbol?KRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57969095965589435962018-11-11T12:52:31.930-08:002018-11-11T12:52:31.930-08:00The curious thing to me about the whole 'symbo...The curious thing to me about the whole 'symbol thing' is why the deception was needed in the first place. If another landing occurred (has there ever been a dual landing UFO?), there would be the burn evidence again, so the symbol would pretty much be a moot point. And if no landing occurred, were they really expecting someone making an airborne sighting of something not much bigger than a car to be able to discern a 2 foot tall insignia? Regarding the car-sized UFO, I assume this was a short-range craft from a mother ship, since I wouldn't want to be cooped up with someone for (light) years of travel in something the size of a car (and where did they keep the food?)jamesravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00870675215940687987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-87582859458785661562018-11-10T01:49:24.416-08:002018-11-10T01:49:24.416-08:00Thank you for your continued thorough research int...Thank you for your continued thorough research into Roswell. Your conclusion (according to Jerome Clark: "recanting Roswell certainty") is worth considering, but I'm not certain it is the final word. I would ask you to check out one further alleged witness: Donald B. Yeager. In a copy of Crash at Corona, owned by Thelma A. Yeager, his wife, she notes in the margin: "D. B. Yeager was with [Marcel] when the remains of the UFO [were] picked up." [a photo of this is posted at Thelma Yeager, LA findagrave.com] Cavitt has been declared "disqualified" and not a "credible witness" by Donald R. Schmitt, Cover-up at Roswell. Is it possible Yeager's wife is revealing the truth? Thank you. Charles Walthall dominusvobiscum2@yahoo.com (Juno account is closed)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16198339267361444903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-60880239264972310072018-11-06T06:45:50.812-08:002018-11-06T06:45:50.812-08:00I believe we can eliminate the OTC symbol for the ...I believe we can eliminate the OTC symbol for the Socorro case. Glad you are eliminating the perimeter debris around cases like the Mantell Case and now this one Kevin. It gets us closer to the more accurate facts around the cases. Regardless of the symbol, the case itself remains an unknown and quite interesting one, for me at least. It is the case that got me started into the world of ufology. UFOxprthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881657319757081917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84769712792426470862018-11-05T20:01:20.206-08:002018-11-05T20:01:20.206-08:00Never discount that a symbol can be painted on for...Never discount that a symbol can be painted on for, really any reason. If the purpose was mis-direction or deception it seems like its done its job well.<br /><br /><br />Adam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11934830683869908953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70919876625480214122018-11-05T00:29:44.988-08:002018-11-05T00:29:44.988-08:00CDA,
That sounds like Project Silverbug and most ...CDA,<br /><br />That sounds like Project Silverbug and most of the work of the Avro Company back then. Most of these designs, as far as we know, never made it past the conceptual stage and the few that did behaved poorly in various testing phases.<br /><br />There was plenty of research into lenticicular craft during the UFO heyday, but all available documentation suggests it all came to not. And yet so many of the early UFO reports report a lenticular shape. <br /> <br />How...peculiar...heh <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Adam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11934830683869908953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68205327619581032962018-11-04T14:19:48.370-08:002018-11-04T14:19:48.370-08:00So Ben,
Hynek produced a report that contained b...So Ben, <br /><br />Hynek produced a report that contained both symbols. The letter you cite does not actually reflect either of those...<br /><br />Ray Stanford send Dick Hall a letter telling him that the inverted "V" with the three lines was the hoaxed symbol.<br /><br />There is absolutely no reason that Holder would have Zamora sign a fake document that was going to be forwarded to Blue Book. The expectation would be that no one would see it because it would be in the files there. Why do that, and then allow the press to have the "real" symbol? Wasn't the point to keep it secret so that they could rule out impostors? Once the inverted V was published, that was no longer an issue.<br /><br />Why fake the symbol on the piece of scrap paper? <br /><br />Oh, if there is a letter from Holder stating that, then let's see it and end this discussion now.<br /><br />I'm sorry but this endless drumbeat that the real symbol of the inverted V is the true symbol flies in the face of logic. I have Ray's letter telling us what the real symbol is... until he changed his mind a decade later. If there is a letter from Holder, signed by Holder, then let's all see it. This more later is becoming tiresome. <br /><br />BTW, it was Lonnie Zamora that added the symbol to Baca's drawing, and Baca never said a word to my that he was told to erase the "real" symbol. This makes no logical sense. How did Baca know what the real symbol was to add it to his drawing only to be told to erase it later.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18543508087595247412018-11-04T09:11:07.872-08:002018-11-04T09:11:07.872-08:00Otis Carr was a fascinating character in UFO histo...Otis Carr was a fascinating character in UFO history. His story has a longer reach that you may imagine, including inspiring at least one cult. In the late 1990's, I interviewed virtually every person still alive and related to the case. The story has never been told correctly (with huge errors in virtually every telling). <br /><br /><br />In late 1959 or early 1960 (prior to his incarceration) , Carr must have gotten some marks interested in his ideas in Apple Valley, CA. He rented out a plant there on a five year lease. I believe that the Apple Valley episode ended with Carr's imprisonment in July of 1961.<br /><br />As far as I know, OTC and Associates logo (which you picture here) was apparently utilized only in relation to the Apple Valley (1959-1961) days. I don't think I have ever seen it EXCEPT on the billboard. Prior to this period, his company was called OTC Enterprises and didn't feature the "A" that makes the associates logo look vaguely similar to the supposed Socorro symbol.<br /><br />After jail Carr moved to McKeesport, Pennsylvania where he tried one last hurrah, now calling his company, Carr Gravity-Electrodynamic Systems with a Hummingbird as his trademark (now attempting to sell free energy generators). <br /><br />By the time of Soccoro, 1964, Carr was long gone on the east coast with a new scam. <br /><br />Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41513359435598334702018-11-04T08:06:13.255-08:002018-11-04T08:06:13.255-08:00The search for the symbol has been extensive, but ...The search for the symbol has been extensive, but this is another huge leap off of the path. It was as Hynek drew it, an inverted v with a bar at the top, one in the middle, and one at the bottom. Col. Holder, Blue Book investigator, told his son he made Lonnie sign the published one, and sent Ray Stanford a letter stating that as truth. The fake symbol, the arrow with the semi circle over the top, was not in Lonnies handwriting, but he was forced to sign it by Holder and the FBI. I know many cannot accept that fact, and continue to portray obscure and incorrect symbols like this one as what he saw. The facts speak for themselves.Hyneks drawing, as well as the Blue Book files notes on Socorro, all are inverted v with 3 bars. Baca's subsequent charcoal was an inverted v with 3 bars before he was made to erase it. This will come to light soon in more detail.TheUFOGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02846005362986281745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-65166542931977268572018-11-04T04:55:39.008-08:002018-11-04T04:55:39.008-08:00Didn't Wilbert Smith, the Canadian radio engin...Didn't Wilbert Smith, the Canadian radio engineer, who supposedly knew all about Roswell, Aztec and other crashed saucer events and who once wrote an (in)famous memo about it, also try to build a top secret 'saucer' at his lab in Ottawa? Keyhoe met Smith and referred to it in one of his books.<br /><br />There must be several others besides Smith and Carr who have played with the idea of constructing an actual model. I even recall a story about the USAF wanting to build one, back in the mid-1950s. No kidding!cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72556089451137757042018-11-03T16:29:02.348-07:002018-11-03T16:29:02.348-07:00This would seem to be the Facebook page mentioned....This would seem to be the Facebook page mentioned. It is set to "public" so can presumably be viewed by anyone: https://www.facebook.com/BlueBlurryLines/Tom Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993273882034750351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-40366739380753575122018-11-03T14:24:59.613-07:002018-11-03T14:24:59.613-07:00My understanding is that Curt Collins has somethin...My understanding is that Curt Collins has something on this at a UFO page he has on Facebook.<br /><br />I don't have access to Curt's page, but someone who does sent the logo to me from there.<br /><br />I'd like to see Curt's take on the thing.<br /><br />RRRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.com