tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post8345049634553206206..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: New Defector from the Roswell SlidesKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33366112195122646252015-07-15T16:01:39.072-07:002015-07-15T16:01:39.072-07:00The SmartDeblur utility was available years ago. ...The SmartDeblur utility was available years ago. There's no doubt in my mind that had a higher-res photo been available of the slides that it would have been deblurred at that time.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12705067146246472654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-38474996410231310972015-07-02T15:48:32.031-07:002015-07-02T15:48:32.031-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04267452625547760508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26262971412386758862015-06-30T14:57:58.691-07:002015-06-30T14:57:58.691-07:00@cda,
Dangerous; I get it. I just pointed out that...@cda,<br />Dangerous; I get it. I just pointed out that many things can be 'religions'. When rationality is abandoned, danger can creep in. <br /><br />I don't think we need worry about a sudden outbreak of organized ET believers/disbelievers, Rational Humanism, Buddhism, or Jainism.<br /><br />.<br />..<br />...alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547680170328747214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-37779655101095050472015-06-30T09:25:13.840-07:002015-06-30T09:25:13.840-07:00Albert:
"I'm interested in seeing what p...Albert:<br /><br />"I'm interested in seeing what parts aren't bunk."<br /><br />Sorry but Kevin chastises people and deletes stuff that is off-topic, so I decline to go further on this. It is is a dangerous topic to get involved in anyway.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-4432221279472705392015-06-30T09:18:34.336-07:002015-06-30T09:18:34.336-07:00@cda,
"...By the way, not ALL of Christianit...@cda,<br /><br />"...By the way, not ALL of Christianity is bunk either, even if some of it is...." <br />I'm interested in seeing what parts aren't bunk.<br />.<br />Christianity, and most widely-practiced religions, are based on beliefs in invisible beings that are omniscient, possess magical powers, that created the universe, that inspired men to write down their directives on how we must live, do what they say or be punished, etc. So I guess we can throw away any pretense of rationality. <br /><br />Best definition of 'bunk': "a trough for feeding cattle" (dictionary.com)<br /><br />ET theory suggests that there are other intelligent, sentient beings in the universe. Many atheistic scientists allow that possibility. It's a _theory_. It's not presented as a fact with metaphysical certitude. Religions rely on blind acceptance of irrational beliefs.<br /><br />Yeah, there are some ET religionists, but there are also those for whom 'science' is a religion. <br />.<br />...alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547680170328747214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-65799814493663120442015-06-30T07:02:05.300-07:002015-06-30T07:02:05.300-07:00Starman:
"We'll never see any real proof...Starman:<br /><br />"We'll never see any real proof until there's official disclosure. And I don't think the requisite conditions for that will exist for many more years."<br /><br />The "requisite conditions" exist right now, and there is no reason whatever for withholding disclosure if the hard evidence really exists. But the ONLY way the Roswell ET proponents can get any credence for their thesis is to constantly regale us with the idea that government policy (in the US) is to withhold perhaps the greatest discovery of all time from the scientific world, and the public, literally forever. Hence the 'Disclosure Project', etc. <br /><br />ETHers would have us believe that hardware & bodies are still in the hands of some high up secret agency, never to be revealed despite the obvious risks (of further crashes elsewhere) involved. <br /><br />Yes the slides fiasco and the Santilli film were purely to keep the Roswell myth alive, and more will very likely follow in years to come. The only reason these tales get any credence or attention is because the originators know there will always be a receptive audience, based largely on the 'Roswell conspiracy' myth.<br /><br />By the way, not ALL of Christianity is bunk either, even if some of it is.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-45918935598285605992015-06-30T06:54:06.722-07:002015-06-30T06:54:06.722-07:00It really isn't amazing as there is no standar...It really isn't amazing as there is no standard for "expert" on either the ETH or skeptic side. Expertise is tied to the frequency and sensationalism of communication and participation in the mutual admiration society that characterizes both sides.Rusty L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02556831351656530532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20154925882273111642015-06-30T06:05:46.687-07:002015-06-30T06:05:46.687-07:00As a side note, the following blog provides commen...As a side note, the following blog provides commentary on MUFONs decision to continue to support Maussan as a key note speaker at their upcoming 2015 Symposium.<br /><br />http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/06/ufo-community-members-weigh-in-on.html?m=1<br /><br />Given the slides issue, it is amazing that Maussan and others are still seen as expert researchers in UFOlogy. Just bad science and a will to believe I guess...Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18537313636071532422015-06-30T06:01:44.175-07:002015-06-30T06:01:44.175-07:00Correction: I should've written "WE are a...Correction: I should've written "WE are aliens, from the point of view of the rest of the Universe."starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-41418781643015840202015-06-30T05:58:57.802-07:002015-06-30T05:58:57.802-07:00@Lawrence, it is stupid to compare belief in an ET...@Lawrence, it is stupid to compare belief in an ET Roswell with belief in christianity. The latter is wholly irrational whereas the idea of alien visitors is definitely not. WE are ETs, from the point of view of the rest of the Universe. Whereas everything about christianity is bunk, at least some of the Roswell accounts (e.g. Marcel's testimony) are credible. Indeed the alternative to ET, MOGUL, has been debunked. But to prevent belief in an ET event from becoming well established, the powers that be apparently have resorted to one scam after another to make believers look like idiots.<br />The minute I heard about the so called roswell slides, I automatically assumed they were a hoax. I didn't waste any time or energy on this. It's not just that we've been let down before, like with santilli. As long as there's a policy of secrecy, how can anybody get away with revealing proof? More often than not, new "evidence" is garbage, intended to muck up the whole field. We'll never see any real proof until there's official disclosure. And I don't think the requisite conditions for that will exist for many more years.starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-268912714862362762015-06-30T05:45:27.608-07:002015-06-30T05:45:27.608-07:00It may take awhile before other "experts"...It may take awhile before other "experts" paid or be-friended by the Sliders come forward or defect. If they were paid I think they will not. Of course we don't know if they were paid or not either. It seems very odd that any of them, including O'Connor, would have made a diagnosis and proclamation from the slide alone - blurry or high resolution. That's not normal behavior for most MD's IMHO.<br /><br />With egos and reputations at stake I think we might see only continued silence on their part.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-29867173970939507912015-06-29T14:43:36.001-07:002015-06-29T14:43:36.001-07:00Kevin Randle wrote: "I’ll throw one other thi...Kevin Randle wrote: "I’ll throw one other thing out here. I believe that the mystery caller who told Nick Redfern about all this, the man who allegedly overheard a conversation in Midland, Texas, was probably either Beason, Dew or a pal of theirs. The idea that someone in Midland overheard this conversation, heard enough to understand so much of what was going on including the nondisclosure agreements, and then knew Nick Redfern, is just too much of a coincidence. It had to be arranged so that the story would get out and the hype could begin. And the hype did begin right there."<br /><br />I'll give you some buzz and beeswax that is not about the bee people... ;=)<br /><br />Nick tells the full story about this Midland telephone conversation in an interview with Greg Bishop on radiomisterioso.com It's available as a free download. Also, if you search on my ebikesrc and Redfern's blog or Google, [try Midland ebikesrc] then you can find the post I made to Nick at his blog about the meaning of this telephone conversation he had with the guy from Midland. Nick replied in detail about what he thought it was all about. This was more than a year IIRC after Midland happened and the slide hype was reaching its peak this year about the May 5th event, I was criminally hacked in that exact time frame too [no BS], so Nick had plenty of time to reflect about what Midland meant well after Nick was hacked and had received that phone call. Here's a link that might work about it: http://nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com/2015/02/more-roswell-slides-info.htmleBikesRChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06043176353199141815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-21492823777229599302015-06-29T12:01:28.440-07:002015-06-29T12:01:28.440-07:00Brian -
I get it and want to bury this controvers...Brian -<br /><br />I get it and want to bury this controversy as completely as possible. I believe that the way to keep from having this discussion ten years from now is to make all this information available. In this case, one of the the medical specialists, one of those with the credentials to make observations, had reversed his position. He had once thought the body alien but now, based on all this evidence, has said that he is wrong. That is the way to end this. Point to those involved and what they have to say today. If Adam Dew or Joe Beason would make a public statement that has relevance, I would point it out. I believe that these sorts of things will bury this so that it becomes a footnote (just as Gerald Anderson should be and Frank Kaufmann now is).<br /><br />I agree that this is no longer worth our time or effort, but if we get some of the other participants in this fiasco to admit their error, we go a long way in completing all this and it will disappear.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-85549647122398386602015-06-29T10:54:37.266-07:002015-06-29T10:54:37.266-07:00I believe that the solution to this is to stop tal...I believe that the solution to this is to stop talking about it!I mean really, this has gone too long, I think. I respect your work, KRandle, and don't think it's worth any more of your time, or any other serious researcher of this subject...I mean, nip it in the bud now, I'd hate to be reading about this in 10 years I had to get this off of my chest, thank you <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70741592127083019972015-06-29T09:10:02.503-07:002015-06-29T09:10:02.503-07:00Lawrence -
Your profound insights are a little la...Lawrence -<br /><br />Your profound insights are a little late. Many of us realized long ago that some of those who accept the alien solution for UFOs do it in with a religious passion. Some of us realized that another case of lights in the night sky were not going to provide any new information but rather fill file cabinets with more reports that couldn't be resolved because there were some cases in which the mundane could not be identified. We all got that long ago, so you point is lost.<br /><br />If you are annoyed with the Roswell Slides fiasco, as so many of us are, provide a solution to the dilemma. What would you do? Abandon the research because you have an answer that satisfies you? Should we all just follow along because you believe you have the solution?<br /><br />Gurkenstein -<br /><br />I don't mind you providing a reference to another site that has information you find useful. I do mind when I covered the same material here on April 8. The information is not new.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-79310421848755875792015-06-28T22:57:48.187-07:002015-06-28T22:57:48.187-07:00@Lawrence
Yes. So much silliness. But apparently ...@Lawrence<br /><br />Yes. So much silliness. But apparently not quite that silly, you did after all find time from your very busy schedule to come and share this precious insight with us, didn't you.<br /><br />@Brian Bell<br /><br />You forgot one thing Brian. Mausan apparently reached out to several "brandname" ufologists in the hopes of roping them in to lend credence to the event. With Kevin's permission, I'd like to post a link to Stan's comment on this, because in my opinion Stan's comments and actions are everything Richard Dolan's <i>should have been</i> and weren't. I think the Dolan fanboys can learn something here.<br /><br />http://www.theufochronicles.com/2015/03/stanton-friedman-chimes-in-on-alleged.htmlGurkensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11155742546331278424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48218990887496948992015-06-28T22:07:51.726-07:002015-06-28T22:07:51.726-07:00As CDA points out, the real blunder is believing i...As CDA points out, the real blunder is believing in the Roswell ET crash in the first place (with a religious fervour I might add, because that's what this is), and the ET hypothesis re ufology as a whole; but you know don't let the most pathetic affair yet in the Roswell saga (which is saying a lot!) call into question the belief in a Roswell crash in the first place. We can't have that now. So no nothing's been learned. <br /><br />I'm reminded of how people will still believe in the Church even after all the swindles, Inquisitions, witch-hunts, support for dubious status quos in society and what-have-you, rationalizing the corruption, cruelty and infighting of the Churches as neither here nor there as far as the belief in Christianity is concerned, salvation in Jesus etc. Then again, we would expect the same from the Roswell believers no matter what, because that's the way irrational religious belief works. That this is merely the new religion for the alienated age (there's a pun there people, this is not a coincidence) of modern man, in the age of science fiction and the space race (or post the space race one supposes) has been commented on for decades, plus it's simply obvious. Well to those of us not enamoured of the B grade science fiction religion.<br /><br />But go on believing. True believers are going to true believe. Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04531198239870181089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33680996655351660752015-06-28T14:35:24.306-07:002015-06-28T14:35:24.306-07:00Why is it all $$$ anyway? Hasn't anyone got t...Why is it all $$$ anyway? Hasn't anyone got the enterprise to bring it to the UK where they can earn lots of £££, or is it too late now? Oh, I forgot - it is not Roswell but Rendlesham that needs some slides and/or movies to bring in the £££.<br /><br />Next year maybe.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-77133425676766020632015-06-28T13:40:17.267-07:002015-06-28T13:40:17.267-07:00I think the explanation (again) probably goes like...I think the explanation (again) probably goes like this:<br /><br />1) Dew had slides and presented them to Schmitt and Carey...Dew said "it's an alien".<br /><br />2) Becasue Schmitt and Carey want to promote anything Roswell and anything alien related to Roswell they took the images at face value - realizing that if it wasn't alien it didn't matter anyway cause the could make $$$ from the promotion of such a thing timed somewhat as a precursor to their book release. Dollars flashed before their eyes....<br /><br />3) Maussan, looking to make $$$ from anything alien also said he would help promote it...."bring it to Mexico" where we can get a good crowd and make more $$$.<br /><br />Hence nothing was ever researched....at all.<br /><br />Just another scam as we all know. Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31310556310825515382015-06-28T12:49:30.119-07:002015-06-28T12:49:30.119-07:00David - I read your article. Your theory on why t...David - I read your article. Your theory on why the Sliders and their experts were mistaken has a large hole in it. They all were able to view the photograph for much longer than a few seconds. In some cases, years.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920372183465983221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-33932908805632678872015-06-28T09:23:34.650-07:002015-06-28T09:23:34.650-07:00All -
This discussion of the SOM-01 is irrelevant...All -<br /><br />This discussion of the SOM-01 is irrelevant to this discussion and ends now.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84698396409996653822015-06-28T08:33:46.031-07:002015-06-28T08:33:46.031-07:00CDA wrote:
"OK so Dolan has done some useful ...CDA wrote:<br /><i>"OK so Dolan has done some useful research. Maybe he is able to locate certain genuine documents but useless when it comes to interpreting certain photographs. "</i><br /><br />Let's say that Dolan was very wrong in his interpretation of slide images shown to him. But on the other hand, being wrong sometimes is a human feature, just like you have been wrong on about a hundred of things in all these years I have been seeing your posts on this blog.<br /><br />CDA wrote:<br /><i>"And yes, maybe SOM-01 does indeed contain text from (some) real documents. And interspersed with that text is a load of pure fiction. But wonderful, exciting stuff, isn't it?"</i><br /><br />Oh, but in an older post you claimed with much confidence that the SOM-01 was either 100% fake or 100% real, with no intermediate possibility. Now you claim exactly the opposite. Were you wrong with your older statement? Are you useless as a thinker because of that error?<br /><br />I am NOT convinced that the SOM-01 is a work of fiction. The Woods have presented intriguing information to the veracity of the whole document. I myself have found that the numbers on body sizes and body heights of beings reported in the SOM-01 are numerically consistent in many ways, and thus credible in principle.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66743170466829782892015-06-28T06:08:40.830-07:002015-06-28T06:08:40.830-07:00"No one has ever offered an explanation of ho..."No one has ever offered an explanation of how we got from the image of what is clearly a mummy to the idea that it was the body of an alien creature."<br />I'm not sure what I've offered on my blog is an explanation: http://www.davidhalperin.net/the-roswell-slides-and-neil-degrasse-tyson/. But I think it points in the direction in which we're to look.<br />Many thanks for your excellent posts on the slides.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04516272733125600841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-60318281317386020392015-06-28T03:54:45.455-07:002015-06-28T03:54:45.455-07:00Don:
OK so Dolan has done some useful research. M...Don:<br /><br />OK so Dolan has done some useful research. Maybe he is able to locate certain genuine documents but useless when it comes to interpreting certain photographs. And yes, maybe SOM-01 does indeed contain text from (some) real documents. And interspersed with that text is a load of pure fiction. But wonderful, exciting stuff, isn't it?cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-23897270689761310972015-06-27T18:25:47.986-07:002015-06-27T18:25:47.986-07:00"What makes you think it was Dolan who found ...<i>"What makes you think it was Dolan who found this letter from Klass to a group of Canadian scientists?"</i><br /><br />mmm, the reality?<br /><br /><i>"I believe it was written soon after Friedman moved to New Brunswick, as a warning of Friedman's strong UFO ET inclinations."</i><br /><br />Your description of what was klass doing is too polite, I would say that lord Klass was closer to be a "son of" with that letter.<br /><br /><i>"I do wonder if it was indeed Dolan who found it at all, and that some other researcher got it first."</i><br /><br />Yes CDA, I know you like to replace reality with your beliefs, but reality seems to be ruthless. Also, nuns DO write diaries, goverments CAN and DO keep secrets, the SOM-01 INDEED contains text from REAL documents of the 1954 era, etc.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.com