tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post9085424720417729001..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Kepler's Discovery of an Alien Civilization?KRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-50641709486833988112015-10-27T11:00:03.503-07:002015-10-27T11:00:03.503-07:00Tim Herbert provided the following link:
http://ww...Tim Herbert provided the following link:<br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3289812/Mystery-alien-megastructure-SOLVED-Bizarre-object-likely-lopsided-star-Dyson-sphere.html<br /><br />So basically, rapidly spinning star squashed down into oblate spheroid, with flattened poles having greater gravity, burning hotter, and shining brighter than equator of star. Large planets passing in front of hotter poles cause the large dimming seen, while having two planets with different orbital periods creates irregularity in dimming.<br /><br />Certainly has a more plausible ring to it than the comet swarm theory (which Brian Bell should notice has died the quick death it deserves because it is untenable, as I said the math showed it was).<br /><br />On the other hand, the proposed theory requires the planets to be in HIGHLY eccentric orbits at nearly right angles to to the spin plane of the star so that they pass of over the hot poles, instead of orbiting in or nearly in the spin plane of the star. (The USUAL plane of a solar system as the star and normal planets form out of a spinning accretion disc of gas and dust.) Eccentric planetary orbits are currently observed as being EXTREMELY rare, and something this eccentric (near-polar orbits) may never have been observed before. <br /><br />This model would also require not one but two such planets, both VERY large. (Although not stated exactly how large, at least gas giant Jupiter size if not larger.)<br /><br />It should at least be possible to test if the star has a highly uneven surface temperature and brightness required by the theory by observing its black body or heat radiation spectrum. Uneven surface temperatures predicted should create a much broadened spectrum.<br /><br />Stay tuned.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-21467106050866624782015-10-26T13:47:57.068-07:002015-10-26T13:47:57.068-07:00All -
I have let this discussion of Brian's o...All -<br /><br />I have let this discussion of Brian's occupation go on simply because he has not answered the questions about it, other than suggest to Nitram that he wouldn't answer until Nitram revealed his real name... since I administer this blog and not Brian this discussion seemed relevant to me... but it ends now.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-53049836638239276012015-10-26T13:26:00.201-07:002015-10-26T13:26:00.201-07:00Well, while everyone is trying to "phone"...Well, while everyone is trying to "phone" Brian, I came across this:<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3289812/Mystery-alien-megastructure-SOLVED-Bizarre-object-likely-lopsided-star-Dyson-sphere.html.<br /><br />If the above has already been mentioned here then please disregard.<br /><br />Now, freely admitting my ignorance in physics, though studied two years worth at college, but only hold an undergrad in biology and chemistry with a grad degree in administration, I ask the following:<br /><br />Is it possible that a Dyson Sphere could occur as a natural process? My basic instinct tends to say no based on my understanding of stellar life cycles/evolution.Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-21412372184032472432015-10-26T12:42:55.092-07:002015-10-26T12:42:55.092-07:00Hello Steve
Thank you for providing us with some ...Hello Steve<br /><br />Thank you for providing us with some information relating to Brian Bells business.<br />I just tried to call the office number and was told that the phone number (given on his website) was also unavailable.<br /><br />It would therefore seem likely that Brian is no longer running his business.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br />Regards<br />Nitram<br /><br />Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26603916516199852272015-10-26T12:22:16.853-07:002015-10-26T12:22:16.853-07:00Steve Sawyer wrote
"Brian Bell is the founde...Steve Sawyer wrote<br /><br />"Brian Bell is the founder and managing partner of GenWise Solutions, LLC, based at his home in Austin, Texas and which appears to be a health industry and executive leadership related small consultancy.<br /><br />His website, genwisesolutions.com appears to be "temporarily unavailable," as indicated by his web hosting service, ipage.com, so it's possible his business is no longer operating or that the site is either "parked" or under revision, but I'm sure Brian can let us know its current status if he cares to."<br /><br />I have just checked the website a few minutes ago and can confirm that it is still unavailable. Possibly Brian has neglected to pay the annual fee to keep things running smoothly.<br /><br />CDA - Brian looks up to you (I get the impression he kind of thinks of you as a father figure), so maybe you could suggest to him that he needs to get his website back on line promptly - these little delays aren't good for business - assuming of course that his business is still trading of course...<br /><br />Regards NitramNitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-13475557054001315042015-10-26T12:20:28.682-07:002015-10-26T12:20:28.682-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-39892085886982679412015-10-26T11:59:28.324-07:002015-10-26T11:59:28.324-07:00Kevin,
Brian doesn't understand the Reserve c...Kevin,<br /><br />Brian doesn't understand the Reserve component of the military nor does he seem to understand that he denigrated your Reserve commission. Thick as a brick comes to mind.I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for an apology. <br /><br />From what I was told the only Reserve unit to serve in combat in Vietnam was a squadron of F-105 Thuds out of Kirtland AFB. I understand that they did very well.<br /><br />Tim Hebert is right on the money. I was a scholarship NROTC student and would have been commissioned as an Ensign USN. The non scholarship or contract students would be commissioned USNR. They would each serve side by side. Reserve officers have been serving active duty since at least WWII.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16703256896826354786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-42687816067759301892015-10-26T10:59:30.845-07:002015-10-26T10:59:30.845-07:00Steve Sawyer wrote:
"As for his [Brian Bell&#...Steve Sawyer wrote:<br />"As for his [Brian Bell's] basic educational and business background, see his LinkedIn profile at:"<br /><br />https://www.linkedin.com/pub/brian-bell/4/943/402<br /><br />Judging by his photo, he is really Lex Luther! That explains a lot.<br /><br />To be a consultant in healthcare, his education is probably in something like business administration, hospital administration, journalism/media/public relations, or even old Norse literature, but probably not in any hard science field. He certainly doesn't seem to have a clue when it comes to anything remotely scientific. David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48373671080911682782015-10-26T09:18:06.568-07:002015-10-26T09:18:06.568-07:00Just to expand on the side issue concerning Reserv...Just to expand on the side issue concerning Reserve duty. I received my reserve commission via ROTC back in 1980. I was on active duty, pulling SAC nuclear alerts as a reservist not offered a regular commission until well after my 7th year in the Air Force as a captain. That was the way it was back then for most of us. Hope this personal example helps clarify the Reservist "issue" for Brian and others.<br /><br />As far as the topic of this post. Nothing wrong with speculating as that is what most of us do on this and other blogs.Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70152297736804272972015-10-26T09:12:50.038-07:002015-10-26T09:12:50.038-07:00Neal -
What exactly am I appogizing for when you ...Neal -<br /><br />What exactly am I appogizing for when you wrote:<br /><br />"I think you owe an apology to Kevin and all those who serve or have served in the reserve. What you said was a slap in the face to all reservists. The week end warrior tag is outdated if it ever applied. You should know that."<br /><br />I never made a comment criticizing reservists and never used the "weekend warrior tag".<br /><br />Where did you get this nonsense?<br />Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-43790773349414040042015-10-26T08:50:37.263-07:002015-10-26T08:50:37.263-07:00Yes! I'm expanding on your agreement with cda&...Yes! I'm expanding on your agreement with cda's point about sensationalism in science reporting and more and more eager-beaver young scientists crossing the scientific-objectivity line into playing science celebrities for five minutes making wild claims couched in language that fallaciously appeals to possibles.<br /><br />I'm not faulting anyone here. I'm in complete agreement with you and most others, it makes a good story for five minutes of media but there's really nothing to it.<br /><br />Like the "sister star" example I gave, we get a few of these per year, memorable but mostly forgotten: cold fusion; the Mars meteorite; Rover spots mystery rock, finds screw-like fossil or running water; brace for coronal mass ejection, etc.<br /><br />A very few are real mysteries that make the mainstream before being quickly solved. More are like this gee-whiz non-story sensationalism of possible but implausible. And even more are the sensationalism of common events: arctic ice sheet breaking, passing asteroid, sunspot activity, and so on. Things that have real science of interest behind them but are happening every day, over which we have no control, but are sensationally presented in such volume that they paint an utterly unreal picture of impending doom. It's irresponsible journalism, scaring not informing.<br /><br />Just expanding on your comment, Kevin, agreeing, not faulting or pointing fingers.zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-55068834708215769002015-10-26T07:37:45.646-07:002015-10-26T07:37:45.646-07:00Zoam -
Your complaint seems not to be with those ...Zoam -<br /><br />Your complaint seems not to be with those of us who noticed a suggestion of an artificial construct but with the scientists who made the suggestion. You can't fault us for noticing their suggestion and you must know that most of us expect it to have a natural as opposed to alien solution.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-58073817510527117252015-10-26T07:35:11.395-07:002015-10-26T07:35:11.395-07:00Neal -
Brian's comment was born in the fact t...Neal -<br /><br />Brian's comment was born in the fact that he does not understand the Reserve Component to the armed forces nor did he know that many officers serving on active duty hold reserve commissions. There is a bias against both the Reserve and the National Guard that came from the 1960s when the best way to avoid the draft was to get into the National Guard. In the world today, both Reserve and Guard units are routinely called to active duty and deployed into combat zones. At one point in 2004 the majority of the Iowa National Guard was in Iraq. Brian is very good at slinging mud through ignorance about the overall picture of today's military. It is far cheaper to train Reserve and Guard units than it is a full time active force. But the training is no less rugged and the performance of the Guard and Reserve units is on par with if not superior to the active forces. We'll just have to wait for Brian's apology which I'm sure is coming now that he understands another avenue of military service... one with which he was unfamiliar.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20332127255085669672015-10-26T07:04:29.968-07:002015-10-26T07:04:29.968-07:00"we've been down that road before with a ..."we've been down that road before with a suggestion that something new might be artificial only to learn that it is not. But it gives a few moments of fun."<br /><br />Yes, sir! Sensationalism sells, has always; and unfortunately it began invading science reporting a few decades ago so that wildly imaginative and wishful--though least likely--hypotheses make headlines for a day or a week and are forgotten.<br /><br />It may all seem like entertaining media fun, especially the astronomy and ETI speculations, but it's infecting some of the astronomers themselves so that we get stories like this and last year's "possible 'sister star' of our Sun discovered which may have earth-like planets, which may be in its habitable zone, which may have produced life, possibly intelligent" and so on.<br /><br />And they might even look just like us too! But with all the real astronomical contingencies involved, the chances are so very unlikely that the whole story is just wildly irresponsible speculation. Speculation which could be equally true of millions of other NON "sister stars" so that the "what if" portion of this story, and others employing the same wild conditionals, should never even make the science news.<br /><br />There's the real science, and then there are scientists playing science news stars.zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26288990354769044092015-10-26T06:35:53.349-07:002015-10-26T06:35:53.349-07:00Brian Bell is the founder and managing partner of ...Brian Bell is the founder and managing partner of GenWise Solutions, LLC, based at his home in Austin, Texas and which appears to be a health industry and executive leadership related small consultancy. <br /><br />His website, genwisesolutions.com appears to be "temporarily unavailable," as indicated by his web hosting service, ipage.com, so it's possible his business is no longer operating or that the site is either "parked" or under revision, but I'm sure Brian can let us know its current status if he cares to. <br /><br />As for his basic educational and business background, see his LinkedIn profile at:<br /><br />https://www.linkedin.com/pub/brian-bell/4/943/402Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-2004168077371694152015-10-26T06:31:54.398-07:002015-10-26T06:31:54.398-07:00Kevin,
I too find it very interesting that this ne...Kevin,<br />I too find it very interesting that this new discovery has been given a possible alien explanation by main stream scientists. I do agree that the most likely explanation is natural.<br /><br />@Brian<br />Add me to the list of those curious about your credentials. Please give a run down of your education and work experience. I've already given mine and David and Kevin's are known. We all use our real names. The ball is on your court.<br /><br />I think you owe an apology to Kevin and all those who serve or have served in the reserve. What you said was a slap in the face to all reservists. The week end warrior tag is outdated if it ever applied. You should know that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16703256896826354786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48694668631739572742015-10-26T05:24:02.482-07:002015-10-26T05:24:02.482-07:00Children -
I do not understand why you can't ...Children -<br /><br />I do not understand why you can't make your points, argue the evidence, and engage in civil discourse without becoming snarky which leads to insult. For crying out loud, tone it down...<br /><br />For those interested, it seems to me that what has been discovered is natural but there was speculation among the scientists that it might be artificial. I thought that interesting, and as CDA we've been down that road before with a suggestion that something new might be artificial only to learn that it is not. But it gives a few moments of fun.<br /><br />Brian -<br /><br />A number of us have asked for some information about your background but the only reply you have left is to Nitram... how about telling us something about your credentials since you enjoy mocking those of everyone else. KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-89506216871985485462015-10-25T23:26:25.612-07:002015-10-25T23:26:25.612-07:00Ref. blog post topic, KIC 8462852 ("Tabby'...Ref. blog post topic, KIC 8462852 ("Tabby's star," after Tabetha Boyajian, one of the primary investigators -- sorry, Kev, no dibs on "Randle's World," either, since it's a star, not a planet or world) 8^} :<br /><br />"This is the best explanation yet for that 'alien megastructure' 1400 light-years away"<br /><br />http://www.techinsider.io/alien-megastructure-explained-oblate-star-2015-10 and<br /><br />"Did the Kepler space telescope discover alien megastructures? The mystery of Tabby’s star solved"<br /><br />http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/10/did-kepler-space-telescope-discover.html?m=1<br /><br />Both of the articles above suggest or claim that "the answer" is a fast-spinning "oblate" star with variable "gravity darkening" and "lightning" combined with eccentrically orbiting planets as an explanation for the asymmetrical light curves observed by Kepler, but I'd posit until further scientific analysis is conducted, no one still knows for sure. I think we can probably rule out any "alien megastructure" though, like a Dyson ring or disturbed comet cloud. <br /><br />See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90666206527457355722015-10-25T19:50:02.955-07:002015-10-25T19:50:02.955-07:00@ Nitram -
When you abandon your false identity a...@ Nitram -<br /><br />When you abandon your false identity and tell all of us your real name, occupation, and degree(s), then I will entertain your comment seriously.<br /><br />@ David -<br /><br />I have to agree with Zoam. A bachelors degree does not make one a "physicist". I doubt the astronomers and physicists examining this anomaly consist of a team of only bachelor degreed people. And for the record I do think Trent's photos are authentic. But that doesn't prove it was ET.<br /><br />Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-65573670807614062992015-10-25T17:14:55.492-07:002015-10-25T17:14:55.492-07:00Kevin wrote
"Since you have never answered m...Kevin wrote<br /><br />"Since you have never answered my question about your military service and suggested that you knew military customs, courtesies, SOPs and nuances, I assume that your have not serviced, merely read lots of documents about it... so, it seems hypocritical to suggest that someone else, who is not an astronomer can't comment knowledgeably on matters astronomical."<br /><br />But what the post should have said was:<br /><br />Since you have never answered my question about your military service and suggested that you knew military customs, courtesies, SOPs and nuances, I assume that your have not serviced, merely read lots of web pages about it... so, it seems hypocritical to suggest that someone else, who is not an astronomer can't comment knowledgeably on matters astronomical."<br /><br />Like Kevin I am also remotely (very remotely) curious about your "field of employment". My guess is that your retired judging by all the time you spend surfing the web (although you could be doing this on your work computer).<br />But before your retired, please share with us what you did for a job?Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-58663077174204609782015-10-25T11:46:34.529-07:002015-10-25T11:46:34.529-07:00Brian -
That's not exactly what you said. You...Brian -<br /><br />That's not exactly what you said. You said, "Maybe we should let the astronomers figure this one out in stead of the optometrists. You think?"<br /><br />And while I'm on board with allowing the astronomers who found it tell us what it is, it is also true that they were the ones who suggested it might be artificial. That wasn't something that I made up or David made up... but your comment also suggested that David, as an optometrist, was not capable of examining the data, which is not exactly the same thing as praising his occupation and education and not the same thing as asking a layman to perform heart surgery... This is the same sort of snarky comment you made about the source of my commission, something else you do not understand.<br /><br />Finally, I quote from one of the various articles posted on the topic. "A second paper is currently being drafted to investigate completely different transit scenarios that focuses around the possibility of a mega-engineering project created by an advanced alien civilization."<br /><br />So the idea originated with those who made the study and made the finding and not those of us who read the various reports. Clearly there is more work to be done and more data to examine, but this idea that David and I, or some who believe in an extraterrestrial theory somehow co-opted the data is wrong. I merely reported what the scientists said as one of the possibilities... a very interesting possibility but one of many. You view everything through your lens that there are no alien civilizations and certainly no visitation and just can't help slinging negative comments. This is another case of you being wrong but wish to argue your point endlessly.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-47622511691840700532015-10-24T21:26:59.304-07:002015-10-24T21:26:59.304-07:00"But from a SETI perspective, one should focu..."But from a SETI perspective, one should focus one’s resources on the best targets. Looking for astronomical anomalies is a reasonable way to focus one’s search. There is no inconsistency between assuming purely natural explanations for all phenomena, and targeting SETI efforts at the most astrophysically inexplicable phenomena." -Jason Wright<br /><br />http://sites.psu.edu/astrowright/<br /><br />Seems like common sense to me.Frank Stalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823301792209882497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-13061357299506872032015-10-24T20:20:40.060-07:002015-10-24T20:20:40.060-07:00@ Rudiak
You made it pretty clear your opinion wa...@ Rudiak<br /><br />You made it pretty clear your opinion was the anomaly couldn't be anything known to science and certainly NOT what the scientists who discovered it hypothesize. Your answer was clearly a Dyson Ring from the get go. Aliens once again.<br /><br />And yes we all know astronomers have argued about anomalous star phenomenon. The difference being they didn't jump to a hypothesis that included ET or gigantic constructions made by alien civilizations. You did (until it dawned on you that even the brown dwarf could explain it.).<br /><br />You can hypothesize all you want but you should consider the people closest to the work the most likely experts who can explain it. You're dismissing their initial hunch and you're not even on their team or close to knowing their full approach towards data analysis.<br /><br />@ Kevin<br /><br />When I say let the astronomers who discovered it explain to us the cause of the anomaly I mean it. That's hardly belittling anyone's profession. Would a person with an anomalous heart condition go to their cardiologist to determine its cause, or would they go to their dentist? Obviously the cardiologist but making that comment hardly belittles the dental profession.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-21780192368721928422015-10-24T15:32:08.040-07:002015-10-24T15:32:08.040-07:00"I thought that I had made this clear in the ..."I thought that I had made this clear in the posting but apparently some thought that it was my conclusion or David's based on our perceived bias for the extraterrestrial... so, I was going to point out that this came from those who had made the study. They brought it up in the beginning and I thought that those who visit here would be interested in it."<br /><br />It's a big story no matter how it plays out like I wrote earlier. Many pro-UFO types likely disdain a story like this but it's their loss. Many are interested, others don't really care. If you do think there's something to ET visitation of Earth, my advice is pay close attention. We're on the same track now that ET was however many years ago they started visiting other star systems.Frank Stalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823301792209882497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-61957938524703201022015-10-24T15:00:00.023-07:002015-10-24T15:00:00.023-07:00Brian Bell,
As usual you have nothing useful or i...Brian Bell,<br /><br />As usual you have nothing useful or intelligent to say and instead have to resort to insult and abuse. (Still sore, obviously, after I pointed you that you were inventing witness testimony, then using your own fabricated testimony as a straw man to try to discredit the witnesses and Roswell.)<br /><br />No, I am not an astronomer (and neither are you), but at least I have a physics degree from a major university, thus know the basic physical principles. (Most of modern astronomy, BTW, IS applied physics.) <br /><br />What science degrees or training do you have, Brian? Probably none judging by how you argue, which is more like somebody trained in writing dissembling propaganda.<br /><br />Part of that training in physics (or astronomy, or engineering, etc.), involves basic numerical calculations to bracket whether something is scientifically feasible or not. That is what I did with the comet swarm theory (whether Bird Brain gets it or not). When you do the numbers and know something about astronomy (e.g. basic information about the cometary Oort cloud and the size of comets), the comet swarm theory is obviously highly dubious, if not impossible. <br /><br />I said a natural explanation would have to be something else entirely, such as MAYBE an orbiting brown dwarf star to account for the VERY LARGE (20%) variance in brightness of the larger, much brighter parent star. That is ALL I was saying.<br /><br />Frankly I think something like an artificial "Dyson sphere" or "ring" or giant artificial planets are long shots, but have to be considered as distinct possibilities if no plausible natural explanation can be thought of (that means it has to stand up to scientific scrutiny, as I was doing in my critique of the comet swarm theory).<br /><br />And BTW, astronomers, like other human beings, often DO get it wrong and squabble among themselves. Some such arguments take decades to sort out. Look up the history of pulsars and neutron stars, e.g., and you'll find prominent astronomers labeling fellow astronomers who thought such bizarre critters were theoretically possible (such as Baade and Zwicky who proposed the existence of neutron stars back in 1934) as fringe scientists, or worse. When the first pulsar was detected and proposed as a neutron star in 1967, a SERIOUS counter-proposal by astronomers who didn't believe in such things (or who didn't have any idea of a natural explanation) was that maybe it WAS an alien beacon.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.com