Friday, January 07, 2022

ATTIP, Philip Corso, and the Roswell Crash


This week I was flying solo because there were a number of things that I wanted to talk about to wrap up the last year. Don Schmitt and I did some of that in the shows we completed just before Christmas, but we didn’t get to everything. So, I talked about AATIP and Disclosure, but I also wanted to address some of the hoaxes and charlatans that dot the UFO landscape… and yes, I said UFO instead of UAP. I’m not changing this because some bureaucrat decided to obscure the issue by creating still another new acronym for flying saucer. You can listen to the show here:

Over the last several days, I have been exchanging emails, well, comments over on Rich Reynold’s UFO Conjectures blog. This had to do with Philip Corso. I suggested that Corso’s tales should be rejected because his book was filled with speculation and half-truths. I have addressed these things before but this time I suggested that one of the pictures in his book, that he captioned, “Lt. Col. Corso was never able to confirm the veracity of the following purported UFO surveillance photos, which were in Army Intelligence files as support material for the R&D project to harvest the Roswell alien technology for military purpose,” was in error.

The admitted fake that Corso thought might be the real thing.

Well, he might well have seen the picture in Army intelligence files, but it was also found in the Blue Book files, at least according to Ed Ruppelt and is an admitted hoax. In fact, the picture was printed in the 1966 Look special on UFOs with the admission by the photographer, Guy B. Marquand, Jr. He said, “I was twenty-one years old at the time and just having fun.” Although he admitted he had faked it, the picture is still accepted as authentic by some. It just seemed to me that Corso, if he was who he claimed to be, would have known this.

But what really brought all this to mind were two pictures sent to me in the last month or so. These were pictures of a wrecked craft that was claimed, by some on the Internet, to be the Roswell wreckage. One of the pictures seemed to show a jet engine and at no time has anyone I talked to mentioned a propulsion system that looked like a jet engine. The picture was obviously of an aircraft accident.

The alleged Roswell craft with a very terrestrial looking jet engine.

The second picture, which to me looked like a diorama that had been photographed, but was probably the same wreckage, wasn’t on the terrain that I’ve seen in that area of New Mexico. Sure, there are mountains and hills and canyons, but these particular hills didn’t have the flavor of the New Mexico landscape where the crash took place. Don Schmitt, Tom Carey and I, among many others, have been all over that area of New Mexico, and it simply doesn’t look like this.

The retrieval operation that looks to me like a diorama, but is probably from the
same aircraft accident.

I was reminded of the “Tomato Man” pictures that were circulated a couple of decades ago that were supposed to show one of the bodies of the alien flight crew. This picture was exposed as that of a human aviator killed in an aircraft accident. The body had been burned in the crash which gave it the alien look. This seemed to be the unnecessary exploitation of a man who had no connection to UFOs.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear up these points and to provide some evidence about what I had said.


TheDimov said...

Right - "Uapologist" just doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well as Ufologist :) In fact I hate that pointless, pedantic needlessly annoying change so much I have yet to use it, I frankly think its a superficial load of CUAP. (Sorry Kev.. I kinda liked that one).

In fact, they should be Uapologising; to change something embedded in history, so ingrained and well known is just plain aggravating and I'd like to ask whomever decided on annoying the rest of the world with the change if they would like to change their name to Jimb perhaps, or Billl. But then, they probably would, wholeheartedly.

Unknown said...

Heard you end of year show. You appear to have become very jaded and negative about the topic of UFOs. Everything has a problem. I have followed you for decades and have respected your perspective. Not sure if it's a healthy endeavor for you anymore.
Best wishes.

Capt Steve said...

Hi Kevin,

Just checked out that thread over on Rich's blog (which I usually don't visit, as I prefer my UFOlogy to be a tad more investigative rather than speculative). I was not impressed with the circular logic defending Corso, to say the least.

I read Corso's book when it first came out (still have it in my library) I think the question to ask regarding Corso's story is not whether or not it's true (IMHO it's complete hogwash) but rather "What inspired Corso to publish this?". I suspect the backstory to Corso's book is either incredibly simple (ie to make some money) or incredibly complicated (what would motivate him to essentially taint his reputation with an easily-discredited tale?). I lean toward the latter.

KRandle said...

Unknown -

Well, I'd be a little more concerned about your criticism if I knew who you were.

However, in that program, I was looking to suggest that some of the information being circulated was less than accurate. People quote some of these sources without having taken a look at the overall picture, which is why some still believe the alien autopsy was real despite those who made it telling us they made it. We have, literally, dozens of people who have injected themselves into the Roswell story, muddying the waters and leading us off in directions we don't need to go. MJ-12 is a good example of this. I'm suggesting that we weed out this sort of thing and concentrate on that which will be beneficial to the research. I think my book on Levelland will prove the point.

Captain Steve -

Corso wrote a book called "I Walked with Giants," about his experiences in the Army. No one really cared and I suspect the book wasn't very well written. However, we were moving toward the fiftieth anniversary of the Roswell crash and that sort of inspired him. He was joined by a writer and they came up with the book. I think the trouble over the original introduction for the book by Strom Thurmond provides the clue. Thurmond was outraged in the including in a book about UFOs and demanded it be removed. Corso, in his proposal to publishers also claimed to have been a member of MJ-12. I think it was more of creating a legacy rather than the money. But Corso just isn't a credible source.

L. Barker said...

Corso was trying to tell the truth. He didn't always get it right, but I think he tried to give us a part of the truth he understood. But you refuse to give his claims an honest hearing. I always felt that you never read the book very carefully. You've treated the Alien Autopsy in the same way. After all is said and done, we have a dead creature, dissected, who represents the critters who roam our planet and have for millions of years. And you refuse to closely examine this evidence. Spyros couldn't bake a cake. Why Philip backs him is a mystery. Why not interview Ray Santilli? Perhaps that will give you a different perspective.

Terry the Censor said...

Hey, Kevin, I found the last two pictures on the National Geographic site, "Exclusive Area 51 Pictures: Secret Plane Crash Revealed," posting date May 21, 2011.

Your "jet engine" photo has this caption at NG: "Remnants of a crashed A-12 spy plane—including two engines and the shattered rear fuselage—litter the ground near Wendover, Utah, in a 1963 picture recently declassified by the CIA and published here for the first time."

Your "diorama" photo has this caption at NG: "A government "sanitation" team uses heavy equipment, including bulldozers and cranes, to remove all traces of the A-12 spy plane from a 1963 crash site in the Utah desert."

Ron said...

Looking at the first photo, in the background next to the engine(s) is the recognizable rear section of the A-12/SR-71 family. Good catch, Terry.

RWE said...

I assessed Corso's book as a hoax because:

1. There are multiple different stores about what occurred at Roswell; three come to mind, each advocated by different people. They all cannot be true. And yet Col Corso said all of those stories were in the US Army files and described all of them in his book. Does that mean the Army did not know which one was true?

2. At the time I read Corso's book I had read six books about Roswell. Corso relates EVERY ONE of the stories told in those books as being in his personal experince. he even claimed to be at a Army base in Kansas when a convoy hauling Roswell wreckage to Wright Patt came through and that he got to see one of the alien bodies. This smacks of those WWII fiction stories where one protagonist is at the Battle Of Britain, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the Normandy invasion, the bombing of Hiroshima, and the surrender in Tokyo Bay. Makes for good fiction but it don't ever really happen that way!