tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post1898165577865505491..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Josh Gates, the Ramey Memo and MeKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-16551264454614157342017-11-28T20:41:06.930-08:002017-11-28T20:41:06.930-08:00> If you have things to say about me, try using...> If you have things to say about me, try using your real name.<br /><br />That has long been a tiresome evasion of criticism, Nick. Do you really think it works?<br /><br />We live in a world of online harassment, ID theft, doxing, swatting (see link at very bottom), and, perhaps worst of all...employers check out our social media accounts! So we should be fine with people using handles to state mere opinions. (It's another thing if someone uses an alias to make claims that need to be verified.)<br /><br />Keep in mind, a few years ago Anthony Bragalia did background checks on and made threats to people who disagreed with him on UFO blogs. People using their legal names, not people using aliases. That happened (see first link, and my comment there).<br /><br />Running Background Checks on Bloggers and Commentators: Ethical or not?<br />https://timhebert.blogspot.ca/2014/08/running-background-checks-on-bloggers.html<br /><br />Men Who Sent Swat Team, Heroin to My Home Sentenced<br />https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/02/men-who-sent-swat-team-heroin-to-my-home-sentenced/<br />Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-47056678978858071222017-11-04T18:22:48.227-07:002017-11-04T18:22:48.227-07:00Lance negatively wrote
"David should be left...Lance negatively wrote<br /><br />"David should be left out of any scientific look into the memo as he has already stridently voiced his false conclusion that he has PROVEN the text of the memo."<br /><br />Maybe you can give him a break Lance...<br /><br />We should be grateful for the work that David and others have done in their efforts to read the memo. Rather than knock him for this, we should be encouraging him and others for their work to date. Most of us who know David personally, understand that he is a "more than a little bit rigid" in his views...<br /><br />The work on the memo is ongoing... nobody working on this is being paid a salary to do so!<br /><br />Of course we know that Roswell was NOT an ET event, but we don't have a sensible solution either...<br /><br />I consider it "quite likely", that, if we were one day, able to read the memo, we might have an answer to what really happened in Roswell in July 1947...<br /> <br />Regards<br />NitramNitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-12621584110777972122017-11-04T18:09:39.339-07:002017-11-04T18:09:39.339-07:00Hi Kevin
You wrote"
"David's examp...Hi Kevin<br /><br />You wrote"<br /><br />"David's examples did not include general officers making such an error."<br /><br />To be fair to DR, he did email us (KR and I) sometime ago about this...<br /><br />Photographic examples:<br /><br />March 28, 1965: McGeorge Bundy, Pres. Johnson's National Security Advisor, carelessly allowed a top secret document to be photographed by the New York Times while he was being interviewed at the White House. <br />This was published on the front page of their Sunday magazine 3/28/65, and apparently the very top-secret code name (DONAR) was very readable even in newsprint. Either the CIA or FBI noticed the security slip, showed up at the NY Times, and confiscated the negative and prints. At considerable expense, all the documents with that code name were redone with a new code name. Bundy's desk was also photographed covered with papers, some of them no doubt sensitive and probably readable on negative. Attached are microfilm photos showing McBundy with document face out and no cover page, a comparison of how Ramey's memo appeared in the newspapers compared to McBundy's document (which was many times larger, thus readable), and McBundy at his desk, covered with other documents.<br /><br />April 9, 2009: The UK's head of counter-terrorism, Bob Quick, emerging from his car for a briefing at 10 Downing Street, had a document tucked under his arm, flat and facing outward, no cover page, showing details of a major counter-terrorism operation, classification SECRET. A photographer with a telephoto took a photo where nearly everything could easily be read. A redacted version was all over the Internet within a few hours. Attached photos showing Quick holding document and a <br />blow-up of the highly legible document. Some stories:<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/09/bob-quick-terror-raids-leak<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7990719.stm<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/world/europe/10britain.html?_r=0<br /><br />Old examples (non-photographic) from Gen. Ramey's time:<br /><br />April 1944: Gen. George Miller, supply officer for the 4th Army, blabbed at a cocktail party about how D-Day was going to be in early June, breaking incredibly strict security imposed by Eisenhower on the subject. (E.g., entire villages near bases were evacuated to help prevent the date and place of the invasion from leaking out.) Although an old friend and West Point classmate of Eisenhower's, Eisenhower demoted Miller and sent him packing.<br /><br />A high Naval officer the following month went to a pub and did the same thing, topping Miller's indiscretion by also disclosing the landing site and critical logistics.<br /><br />Jan 1950: At the White House, Sec. of Defense Lewis Johnson blurted out to political columnist/radio commentator Drew Pearson about development of the H-bomb. By the next day, Pearson made it headline news around the world.<br /><br />I agree with Kevin that Civilians at the top seem to have a more cavalier attitude toward classified material - but everyone, including people who have served in the military, make mistakes.<br /><br />Regards NitramNitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-89864677348828877842017-11-02T14:48:51.844-07:002017-11-02T14:48:51.844-07:00Kevin
You have "stolen" my byline... we...Kevin<br /><br />You have "stolen" my byline... well, I will let you off this time.<br /><br />Regards<br />NitramNitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-83992605053270010452017-11-02T07:35:49.519-07:002017-11-02T07:35:49.519-07:00CDA and Otto -
I'll make two relevant comment...CDA and Otto -<br /><br />I'll make two relevant comments here. First, Ramey would have been in the office with his aide who would have had a responsibility to make sure that the classified material was properly stored especially if there was going to be a reporter in the room with a reporter. Had Ramey held a classified document in his hand, his aide, Captain Showalter would have said something to him... not to mention the fact the David's examples did not include general officers making such an error. Civilians at the top seem to have a more cavalier attitude told classified material.<br /><br />Second, what is often ignored is J. Bond Johnson's claim that he brought the document into the office with him. If true, then it is a newspaper teletype that would refer to the events in Roswell (which would be the only reason Johnson had it) and it would therefore be unclassified. Johnson later repudiated the claim saying that he had picked the document off Ramey's desk so that he would have something in his hand for the photograph. Ramey's aide, if not Ramey himself would have stopped Johnson from grabbing something off the desk.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-87688013606646308092017-11-02T07:04:18.062-07:002017-11-02T07:04:18.062-07:00Count Otto:
Alas, case not closed (not quite). A ...Count Otto:<br /><br />Alas, case not closed (not quite). A decade or so ago I raised the very point you make in your 3rd paragraph. I was shot down by at least one pro-ETHer (David Rudiak) who told of two other instances of supposedly 'top secret' papers being accidentally exposed to the cameras. <br /><br />So Gen. Ramey may well have been "a complete moron", but he kept silent, never revealed the truth and took the secret of perhaps the greatest scientific discovery of all time to his grave. [At least that is the ETHers version of things].cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-35429670849774169652017-11-02T06:54:00.411-07:002017-11-02T06:54:00.411-07:00COB: If you have things to say about me, try using...COB: If you have things to say about me, try using your real name. When someone uses an alias it always comes across as the person being weak - frightened to use their real name. Nick Redfernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02198543983413599418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18496418103616573382017-11-02T05:57:16.344-07:002017-11-02T05:57:16.344-07:00Hello
Is there a write up of the detailed methods ...Hello<br />Is there a write up of the detailed methods and results available anywhere (or planned)? It would be interesting if I stacks up to scrutiny.<br />ThanksAnthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195694902712869724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56704064166408924212017-11-02T00:37:44.222-07:002017-11-02T00:37:44.222-07:00On the Ramey memo, the total focus has been on wha...On the Ramey memo, the total focus has been on what is the contents in his hand. That's fair. But you touched based on a interesting subject Kevin. That is what else could the memo have been and what else should be on the memo? In other words are there other documents that Ramey had about other subjects that could be compared to as a sample? <br /><br />Another way to ask the question is there other documents that the headers, markings, jargon and typing styles that is on to compare with?<br /><br />Mr. Sweepyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966969362028196312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62198585741813169442017-11-01T18:37:28.649-07:002017-11-01T18:37:28.649-07:00Just for the sake of comparing the relative usage ...Just for the sake of comparing the relative usage of clauses, I have just searched in google for different sentences with the following results<br /><br />"the view of" has 198,000,000 results<br /><br />"the review of" has 75,600,000 results<br /><br />"the viewing of" 545.000 results (no even reaching the million, HAHAHA!)<br /><br /> "the victims of" has 48,600,000 results<br /><br />Best,Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62109544874351757872017-11-01T18:22:52.298-07:002017-11-01T18:22:52.298-07:00Lance and Kevin,
The complete clause would need t...Lance and Kevin,<br /><br />The complete clause would need to be "THE viewing of the wreck" not just "viewing of the wreck". So "THE viewing of" looks pretty strange here. "The victims of the" is much more reasonable, as "victims" is a decent noun.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-23629390211725613432017-11-01T15:15:16.572-07:002017-11-01T15:15:16.572-07:00Of course, none of this endless flogging of a hors...Of course, none of this endless flogging of a horse so dead it's practically an eohippus matters in the slightest. For starters, nobody will ever really know what that memo says because there's a finite amount of information in a photographic negative, and no degree of computer enhancement can ever magically create more content than already exists. Maybe the disputed phrase is actually "victims of the warlock" and there's a black magic subplot we never suspected?<br /><br />Hey, at the end of that movie, the Wizard of Oz was last seen leaving for the USA in a balloon - maybe that's what crashed at Roswell, and the diminutive bodies were oompa-loompas! Why not? If after 70 years the nearest anyone can get to a "smoking gun" is a blurred photo of a few ambiguous words nobody can quite make out and probably never will, it's as plausible an explanation as space aliens. It's also just about the only totally ridiculous theory about this and related matters that Nick Redfern hasn't written a non-fiction book about yet, so one of these days I expect he'll have to.<br /><br />But the real elephant in the room is this. If the document in Gen. Ramey's hand contains even a hint of what is literally the biggest secret ever, why is he casually holding it in plain sight while giving a press conference and posing for photos? How absent-minded or downright stupid would he have to be not to even bother putting it in his pocket while encouraging a roomful of professionally inquisitive people who may be equipped with telephoto lenses to take pictures of him?<br /><br />Unless the general was a complete moron, the only plausible explanation is the common sense one that he took that memo into the press conference to refer to if he forgot any of the details of what he was supposed to say, therefore Gen. Ramey revealed everything important the memo contained way back in 1947. Case closed.Count Otto Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13915670684585417091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-59454420571454169962017-11-01T10:40:40.225-07:002017-11-01T10:40:40.225-07:00"The viewing of the wreck" has no sense ..."The viewing of the wreck" has no sense at all."<br /><br /><br />As usual, just assertions made solely due to belief.<br /><br />I wonder if "viewing of the wreck" made sense to the folks who wrote these completely unrelated usages of the phrase:<br /><br />"We were treated to a rare viewing of the wreck of a wooden boat that was supposedly sunk in 1861"<br />https://www.barkingmad.uk.com/blog/2015/11/29/lotti-loved-scarborough-a-dog-friendly-staycation/<br /><br />"This afternoon members of the media had their first official viewing of the wreck since it broke into two pieces two weeks ago."<br /><br />http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/rena-crisis/6283633/Toxic-work-on-Rena-salvage<br /><br />"platform has been built to allow the safe viewing of the wreck"<br /><br />http://www.portofnewcastle.com.au/Resources/Documents/Port-of-Newcastle-Heritage-and-Conservation-Register-2014-PART-III.pdf<br /><br /><br />UFO buffs do themselves no favors by blurting out assertions that are so easily shown to be spurious. But when the facts aren't on your side AND you have a deep religious belief that needs to be assuaged, I guess you go with what you have.<br /><br />Lance <br />Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-30980441872151634962017-11-01T09:24:29.551-07:002017-11-01T09:24:29.551-07:00Don -
"Viewing the wreck," does make se...Don -<br /><br />"Viewing the wreck," does make sense as in "The officers viewing the wreck determined..."<br />Besides, in this latest analysis, the phrase was not "viewing the wreck." The third word (wreck) wasn't seen and the first letter of that word might have been a "G" or a "C." The point, however, is that there is not a consensus opinion about the words in that first line.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57560788126659097022017-11-01T08:50:15.019-07:002017-11-01T08:50:15.019-07:00Look at it another way. Those hardline ETHers who ...Look at it another way. Those hardline ETHers who insist the memo proves an ET visit will, presumably, claim that this memo has been preserved along with the myriad of other documents that must have ensued (i.e. reports of the military and of scientists, of the analysis of wreckage & bodies, plus of umpteen secret committees, etc.) on the affair. <br /><br />Therefore, is it not obvious that there is a library somewhere containing all this top secret stuff, including the Ramey memo that started it all?<br /><br />Hence if the ETHers are right, the memo is a highly important source document and ought to still be around, somewhere. But where? Library of Congress maybe? Or is it STILL classified?!cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44121236104400855012017-10-31T20:20:25.361-07:002017-10-31T20:20:25.361-07:00"The viewing of the wreck" has no sense ..."The viewing of the wreck" has no sense at all.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6209161094339265932017-10-31T06:26:41.295-07:002017-10-31T06:26:41.295-07:00The one thing that intrigues me about all this is ...The one thing that intrigues me about all this is actually not the word "victims" or "viewing," but the word "wreck."<br /><br />To me, at least, it seems strange that such a word would have been used to describe what the military was assuring the media was just a flimsy weather-balloon. <br /><br />It’s equally odd terminology to use for a Mogul balloon array – the theory the Air Force came up with in 1994. Because it was just balloon materials. <br /><br />For me, “Wreck” implies something pretty physically substantial that has been significantly damaged, rather than the torn and scattered remains of a balloon, whether large or small. <br /><br />Of course, others may interpret "wreck" as anything that is damaged.Nick Redfernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02198543983413599418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-77008886070554672492017-10-30T17:49:48.793-07:002017-10-30T17:49:48.793-07:00Tim -
There were areas of agreement, especially w...Tim -<br /><br />There were areas of agreement, especially with the words that are easily identified. The key phrase, that is, "victims of the wreck" was not established by Michael. He was convinced that it was "viewing," which, of course does change some of the context. In his reading of the Memo there was no smoking gun... it was all, fairly mundane.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6879733525102343942017-10-30T17:46:17.808-07:002017-10-30T17:46:17.808-07:00Kevin indicated he had read some, most, or all of ...Kevin indicated he had read some, most, or all of the memo. I was curious as to how his readings compared to the others (which I am quite familiar with). Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-86846331278942428022017-10-30T17:28:11.141-07:002017-10-30T17:28:11.141-07:00Tim, May I suggest that you do a Google image sear...Tim, May I suggest that you do a Google image search for : Ramey Roswell Memo, and read it for yourself. Regardless of how you read certain words either you believe that it could refer to an alien craft or it doesn't. That part is up to the reader.couldbebetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895752844899216415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-58642475604112674672017-10-30T13:36:11.260-07:002017-10-30T13:36:11.260-07:00Will there be a listing of how the entire memo rea...Will there be a listing of how the entire memo reads anytime soon? I, for one, would be interested in what this independent expert has determined.Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-55552216648915152472017-10-30T10:55:56.717-07:002017-10-30T10:55:56.717-07:00Very interesting Kevin. You mention other text th...Very interesting Kevin. You mention other text that was apparently recovered but don't detail that. Did any of it match David's nonsensical plain text.<br /><br />David should be left out of any scientific look into the memo as he has already stridently voiced his false conclusion that he has PROVEN the text of the memo. That kind of poor scholarship is part of what makes the UFO narrative (as presented by the buffs) laughable. <br /><br />Lance<br /><br />Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.com