tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post2757623490267282634..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Colonel Howard McCoy and MJ-12KRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5131062634344677182016-07-09T19:38:42.247-07:002016-07-09T19:38:42.247-07:00Kevin,
I have finding a series of documents on th...Kevin,<br /><br />I have finding a series of documents on the net regard Wight-Pat and some historical documents. There is nothing directly pertaining to the Roswell crash but does give some background.<br /><br />Here is the first: WADC/WADD Digital Collection at the Galvin Library, IIT<br />http://contrails.iit.edu/history/Huffman/H-part12.pdf<br /><br />Mr. Sweepyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966969362028196312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-67498840394433144612014-10-10T20:16:17.505-07:002014-10-10T20:16:17.505-07:00cda confesses...
"I don't follow you. Th...cda confesses...<br /><br />"I don't follow you. The quote in your first paragraph was by someone calling himself "John's space". Who is he, and why would I want to frame anything of his on my wall?"<br /><br />Maybe a better option is to put the quote under your pillow before bed.<br /><br />I agree with John Space (whoever he is) - it is a good quote.Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-69972480053283299572014-10-10T05:25:09.032-07:002014-10-10T05:25:09.032-07:00CDA,
It is a really good quote though. CDA,<br /><br />It is a really good quote though. John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-59171892657636583502014-10-08T05:54:49.435-07:002014-10-08T05:54:49.435-07:00Nitram (or Martin):
I don't follow you. The q...Nitram (or Martin):<br /><br />I don't follow you. The quote in your first paragraph was by someone calling himself "John's space". Who is he, and why would I want to frame anything of his on my wall? If you, or anyone else, want to believe that UFO recoveries (e.g. see Stringfield's 'Status reports') will remain top secret forever and a day, then go ahead and do so.<br /><br />After all, when we earthlings eventually land on another planet, the official bodies of that planet will keep our landings secret forever from their citizens, won't they? This is because these citizens will be too stupid to understand our real intentions and thus cannot be told the truth.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-60876869846285283892014-10-07T16:12:13.746-07:002014-10-07T16:12:13.746-07:00CDA,
"I’m sure that any data on UFO recoveri...CDA,<br /><br />"I’m sure that any data on UFO recoveries (if they occurred) will remain top secret. Also, if the policy changes it won’t be due to a mandatory down grade date."<br /><br />Brilliant quote - absolutely brilliant! CDA frame this on your wall and remember it carefully before you mention anything about "7 decade old coverups again"<br /><br />David R<br /><br />Can't resist leading with my chin and posting this....<br /><br />"The reason that there is no documentation regarding flight #4 is the flight itself was not top secret - so if it's top secret we hide the paperwork and if it's mundane we don't have any paperwork to hide... a win win for everyone!"Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18384019820380860572014-10-06T20:03:54.993-07:002014-10-06T20:03:54.993-07:00CDA cluelessly wrote:
Where is all the documentati...CDA cluelessly wrote:<br /><i>Where is all the documentation relating to the 'back engineering' that was done on the Roswell crashed saucer? With all these high powered military and civilian people involved you would expect a huge volume of stuff to be produced. So I ask you the same question I put to Anthony. WHERE IS IT? Have you, or anyone else, seen it? Surely it cannot STILL be top secret.</i><br /><br />Believe it or not, the CIA fought the declassification of INVISIBLE INK secrets from World War Freaking One, claiming they were still being used. They only ended their opposition in 2011, or nearly ONE HUNDRED YEARS of secrecy.<br /><br />The back-engineering of crashed alien craft most of us would assume would be on a slightly higher level of security than invisible inks. No doubt, CDA will disagree.<br /><br />We also still await all that documentation that proves Mogul Flight #4 ever existed, and thus could possibly explain Roswell. How many years have I been asking CDA for it? I forget.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31590533446486515862014-10-06T17:43:53.619-07:002014-10-06T17:43:53.619-07:00Larry,
This only makes sense. For example 50 yea...Larry,<br /><br />This only makes sense. For example 50 years ago is 1964 and nuclear weapons design was very advanced by that time. I’m sure that many of the lesser nuclear powers would like detail design and other nuclear data on those weapons. Similarly, details of the production of V-gases and bio-weapons that were designed in that period should also be kept secret as well. I’m sure a lot of dangerous countries and non-national groups would love to get some of those documents. There probably other things that reasonable people would agree shouldn’t be released.<br /><br />CDA,<br /><br />I’m sure that any data on UFO recoveries (if they occurred) will remain top secret. Also, if the policy changes it won’t be due to a mandatory down grade date.John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5826483136514390472014-10-06T09:08:44.580-07:002014-10-06T09:08:44.580-07:00The following is an excerpt from the Federation of...The following is an excerpt from the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy Project (fas.org/):<br /><br />NEW EXEMPTIONS FROM 50 YEAR DECLASSIFICATION APPROVED<br /><br />Most of the national security agencies in the executive branch have now been granted approval to exempt certain 50 year old classified information from automatic declassification.<br /><br />The national security classification system normally requires declassification of classified documents as they become 25 years old, with several specified exemptions to allow continued classification up to 50 years.<br /><br />Only "in extraordinary cases" may agency heads propose to exempt information from declassification when it is 50 years old, says President Obama's 2009 executive order 13526. They must request and receive approval from the Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP).<br /><br />So it was somewhat disconcerting to see an updated Notice from the Information Security Oversight Office last week indicating that dozens of executive branch agencies have now been granted exemptions from declassification for 50 year old information, including all of the major national security agencies.<br /><br />It appeared that the extraordinary had become quite ordinary...."Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14431818950679813051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68822377738985584932014-10-06T07:45:54.012-07:002014-10-06T07:45:54.012-07:00Hi
In terms of McCoy and a Ph.D. I could have swor...Hi<br />In terms of McCoy and a Ph.D. I could have sworn I'd seen that in something I was reading when we were all discussing T-forces and who was involved in Foo fighter investigations a while back. t lodged in my brain as I hadn't seen that before. Can I find it again...inevitably not so perhaps I merged him with someone else but I 'll keep having a look for it.<br />Anyway, it wasn't a fundamental point...McCoy was a bright guy but his job didn't require awareness of the broad policy context and it wouldn't be reasonable to expect him to make decisions at that level.<br /><br />Twining's odd diary commitments...and visiting various bases in the SW whilst on this commanders course is, as David points out, curious to say the least.<br /><br />That is a key piece of data which points to those bases. We all know the evidence that points to the JRDB as the focal point for the study of the 'modus operandi' of these things. <br /><br />No...air Technical Intelligence were not the right group to try to reverse engineer it. They were good but not at that level. They also had another important job to do...intelligence work rather that fundamental science.<br /><br />As for things still bring classified. The decision on classification depends on if an issue needs to be classified at a moment in time. How long something has been classified for is irrelevant. Many of the concerns will be the same now as they were in the 1950s. Only the initial fear if possible invasion will have significantly changed. In some ways it is probably better for society not to have to formally deal with this for as long as possible.Anthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-19164474845845708042014-10-06T03:04:52.593-07:002014-10-06T03:04:52.593-07:00Kevin:
Thanks for the career notes about Col. McC...Kevin:<br /><br />Thanks for the career notes about Col. McCoy. Unless the US Military Academy awards PhDs I assume that McCoy never had a PhD, and therefore Anthony Mugan was wrong.<br /><br />Does, or did, The USMA award doctorates?<br /><br /><br />DR:<br /><br />Where is all the documentation relating to the 'back engineering' that was done on the Roswell crashed saucer? With all these high powered military and civilian people involved you would expect a huge volume of stuff to be produced. So I ask you the same question I put to Anthony. WHERE IS IT? Have you, or anyone else, seen it? Surely it cannot STILL be top secret.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-40781212230753011502014-10-06T02:50:12.622-07:002014-10-06T02:50:12.622-07:00Something named the "physical equipment secur...Something named the "physical equipment security agency (PSEA)" is mentioned in the obit provided by Kevin.<br /><br />I'm surprised no one tried to look it up.<br /><br />Cursory internet searches on DuckDuckGo and Google don't turn up anything. Must have been a mighty secret agency.Fred Miltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00982362902453489001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-89461520167014479012014-10-05T21:39:29.443-07:002014-10-05T21:39:29.443-07:00In the case in question here it seems unlikely tha...<i>In the case in question here it seems unlikely that Col. McCoy wouldn’t have clearance for the information that a saucer had crashed near Roswell if in fact one had. He seems to be Gen. Twining’s point man on flying disk studies and it would be strange not let him know that they had positive proof that they were something other than Soviet vehicles if in fact that was at hand.</i> <br /><br />According to Wendy Connors two SIGN sources (George Towles, who admitted to being sent to Roswell by McCoy, the other Major Victor Bilek, saying Towles cataloged the debris and prepared it for shipment back to Wright Field), and to an unknown colonel who told Kevin before he investigated Roswell that Sign personnel DID know about Roswell because the first draft of the Estimate of the Situation included mention of flying saucer material recovered there, but Gen. Vandenberg ordered that part removed from later drafts.<br /><br />What SIGN people weren't told were the specifics. They seemed to be cut out of it (except for Towles, who had been there).<br /><br /><i>Certainly we believe that Gen. Twining was cleared?</i><br /><br />Yes, I and others presume so. In fact he WAS in N.M. July 7-11 at exactly the same time this was happening. We know he was at Sandia base in Albuquerque and in Alamogordo. The official story was that he and other officers were there on a prearranged trip to attend a "bomb commanders' course" at Sandia arranged a month earlier.<br /><br />Against this, we also know of a letter from Twining on July 17 to Boeing Aircraft apologizing for cancelling a scheduled July 8 trip to the Boeing factory in Seattle, "...due to very important and sudden matters that developed here."<br /><br />This begs two questions: 1) What was the important, sudden matter that forced cancellation? 2) How could Twining SIMULTANEOUSLY be at a prearranged tour in Seattle July 8 AND be at Sandia attending a "prearranged" bomber course from July 7-9?<br /><br /><i>If he reviewed the memo before it went out, why sign a memo with incorrect statements about not having physical evidence? There was no need to raise that issue at all.</i><br /><br />If you look at the end of Twining's memo, there is a long list of agencies that Twining wanted briefed and in involved in a saucer investigation, many of them obviously being involved with back-engineering or understanding the principles of propulsion and/or energy (hence the inclusion of the AEC, NEPA, RAND, AF Scientific Advisory Board, Vannevar Bush' DOD group, the Joint Research and Development Board (brought up again by later Wilbert Smith, Robert Sarbacher, Eric Walker documents and testimony as being the group involved in figuring out the "modus operandi" of the saucers, or back-engineering).<br /><br />My point is you can't tell everybody EVERYTHING you might know,only what they need to know. There might be rumors about a saucer crash you might want to kill. So you deny the existence of any physical evidence, with the intention that this will be passed into briefing material. Anybody who needs to know otherwise, can be so informed later. <br /><br />I see Twining's memo as being carefully worded to get other agencies to take saucers seriously ("the phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictiously"), but not so that they know too much. You try to compartmentalize the most important information to prevent leaks.<br /><br />So would Twining tell a white lie? I don't see why not, unless someone can explain to me why there are two sets of military documents saying Twining was supposed to be in two places at once during Roswell. One of those documents has to be a white lie, or a cover story if you prefer.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70985783322116545742014-10-05T17:28:53.356-07:002014-10-05T17:28:53.356-07:00All -
Since someone sort of asked, here is McCoy&...All -<br /><br />Since someone sort of asked, here is McCoy's obit:<br /><br /><br />Dec. 4, 1907<br />Kane<br />McKean County<br />Pennsylvania, USA<br /><br />Oct. 12, 1976<br />Bethesda<br />Montgomery County<br />Maryland, USA<br /><br />Colonel, US Air Force. Graduated USMA 1930. Army Air Corps pilot from 1931 to 1935 with detached service as an air mail pilot during the Air Mail Emergency of 1934. Chief of the Propeller Laboratory, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio from 1938 to 1944. During World War ll he planned and directed Operation Lusty (Luftwaffe Secret Technology), and after the War, organized and was Director of the Air Documents Research Center, now the Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC). From 1946 to 1949 he was Chief of Intelligence, Air Material Command, Wright Field, now the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC). He organized and was Director of the Physical Security Equipment Agency (PSEA), Department of Defense (DoD), from 1951 to 1954, which developed the first electronic ID Badge for the Pentagon and the DoD. Colonel McCoy retired in 1954 and consulted in the fields of information retrieval and technology transfer.<br />KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-50470511827336676652014-10-05T17:27:15.703-07:002014-10-05T17:27:15.703-07:00All -
Let's remember that rank isn't alwa...All -<br /><br />Let's remember that rank isn't always the driving force in the military. The csptsin of a ship is the ultimate authority on his ship even if there is a superior officer on board. <br /><br />In aviation, I know that as a warrant officer assigned as an aircraft commander, I was the authority over the co-pilot who might be a first lieutenant or a captain. It all has to do with things that sometimes trump rank.<br /><br />McCoy, because of his long involvement with these things was the subject matter expert. It could be that he would have been appointed to the MJ-12 committee because of that. It's all I'm suggesting...<br /><br />Oh, and of course, that MJ-12 is a hoax so we could say that some sergeant E-5 was assigned and we could be right because this committee as constituted here never existed.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-58254602874793083732014-10-05T12:04:29.872-07:002014-10-05T12:04:29.872-07:00"Hope that answer's CDA on civilian invol..."Hope that answer's CDA on civilian involvement". <br /><br />No it does not.<br /><br />You seem to be trying your utmost to find ways to surmount the difficulties with this subject, but in the end getting nowhere.<br /><br />It would be perfectly logical for SIGN to examine a crashed UFO, or to at least know about it from the start. They could, if necessary, co-opt all sorts of civilian or military scientists to assist them in their activities, and in fact did so (see Ruppelt's book for this). <br /><br />Had they wanted to back-engineer a captured UFO, SIGN could, and would, have done precisely this, with suitable external expertise. <br /><br />And there would be literally volumes of documentation extant to show this. Where is it? <br /><br />Where is all the paperwork of Twining, McCoy, Bush or any of the multitude of others involved in this activity? And what about that civilian Wilbert Smith? Did he handle a real fragment from a crashed saucer or not? (It was c. 1952, several years after Roswell). <br /><br />All still top secret I suppose.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56019551157467476872014-10-05T11:16:12.543-07:002014-10-05T11:16:12.543-07:00To conclude ( and in partial response to some of t...To conclude ( and in partial response to some of the comments above).<br />I think it was therefore entirely logical that Air technical Intelligence did not get read in on the debris. They were very able people but reverse engineering a UFO would involve challenges well beyond studying a Mig-15 or captured German equipment. It would need cutting edge physicists, material scientists, and probably linguists ( and would probably be beyond even them). Air Intelligence were well equipped to assess patterns in UFO operations that might reveal, for example, a reconnaissance pattern. <br />Twining and Bush seem to have the interface between the strategic leadership and operational delivery of different strands of the overall work programme.<br /><br />In true Managatten Project tradition information would be heavily compartmentalised and we can only see glimpses if the deeper RDB based programme and almost nothing of the overall strategic direction.<br /><br />Hope that answer's CDA on civilian involvement and John on why SUGN was needed. Its a messy world though an unintended consequences are legion.Anthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66160240622457093352014-10-05T09:29:00.416-07:002014-10-05T09:29:00.416-07:00Starman,
There are clear reasons why those in cha...Starman,<br /><br />There are clear reasons why those in charge of the “real saucer project” that is those analyzing a true crash recovery would not want project SIGN to continue its activities. SIGN had investigators out talking to various people taking the flying saucer sighings seriously. They weren’t laughing the people off or anything like that. Once it became clear that it really was an alien spacecraft and it was decided to keep it secret that sort of official behavior is counter productive to a policy of denial. Then SIGN produced the Estimate of the Situation that concluded that the fly saucers were most likely of “interplanetary” origin and was putting this forward through channels within the DoD that were no cleared for the real project. This had to be stopped.<br /><br />The press was sniffing around this thing, i.e. people like Keyhoe. In fact they were trying to talking him out of going public. If the Estimate of the Situation leaked that would have really stoked the fire. So it needed to be suppressed. The issue I raise if Twining actually had a saucer in hand in July of 1947, why even do a project like SIGN? But, if it was for general data collection on activities and capabilities wouldn’t it make since to clear key people for the truth so they didn’t come to the ET hypothesis. It makes more sense if the real crash was later probably in late 1948 or early 1949 exactly when SIGN was summarily terminated. It would still match up with the Simth/Sarbacher evidence and explain the 1949 Air Force clam up.John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-71713119273925635992014-10-05T09:16:51.192-07:002014-10-05T09:16:51.192-07:00To continue.
The initial containment operations ma...To continue.<br />The initial containment operations may not have been simple, depending on the difficulty of transporting the disc. Twining's return from New Mexico ( was that the 12th) may indicate a conclusion of this initial containment phase, along with press management and witness intimidation.<br />Senior policy makers would be faced with a need for information on a variety of fronts. As I am assuming all this followed correct constitutional procedures the President would be discussing this with senior political, military and intelligence leaders. I would strongly argue the Bush would have been brought in at this point.<br />Two elements of specific relevance<br />a) what is the intent and capability of the ETs?<br />b) can we understand and reverse engineer the craft?<br />( I will leave the various political, geopolitical and sociological aspects for now)<br />Issue (a) is a straight air intelligence job. It requires analysis of data on UFO operations and their behavioural characteristics. In other words it needed SIGN. The intel could be fed in semi-raw condition into a higher level group if needed.<br />Issue b would need very high level R&D scientists and engineers. The disc was almost certainly conveniently located in the SW for this. Anthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-16643167067313851072014-10-05T09:03:32.199-07:002014-10-05T09:03:32.199-07:00Anthony:
Where did you get the info that Col McCo...Anthony:<br /><br />Where did you get the info that Col McCoy was a PhD? I am not doubting the possibility, but I have never seen this mentioned anywhere. Does Kevin know this, I wonder?<br /><br />Also, I believe that Twining's visit to the White Sands area in the days following Roswell has been explained long ago, by Robert Todd. Nothing whatever to do with that saucer crash either.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90641786381175741302014-10-05T08:17:09.368-07:002014-10-05T08:17:09.368-07:00To continue
Information available would have incre...To continue<br />Information available would have increased in steps in the period 6th to 8th July. On the 6th communication from the 509th to 8thAF would have been of interesting debris and a rancher's tale. Not clear if that information would go further up the chain of command. By the 8th they had a second site with the main body of the craft and 'victims'. Somewhere in between the situation switched from curious to crisis.<br />Information would go rapidly up the chain if command to Vandenburg and Eisenhower and thence into the political leadership (e.g Vandenburg's meeting with Symington).<br />There are then many strands of strategic significance but step 1 is containment. Bits of debris can be flown anywhere but a large craft...that requires land transport and I would suggest a need to get it into a secure location ASAP.<br />The south west USA is full of possible locations. White Sands might be the simplest from a logistical point of view.<br />Interestingly Twining spent several days around these bases in the days following....<br /><br />TBC ( bit rushed today)Anthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66662040988678446542014-10-05T07:51:25.040-07:002014-10-05T07:51:25.040-07:00John's Space:
Project "Mogol" (MOGU...John's Space:<br /><br />Project "Mogol" (MOGUL) has already been effectively disposed of by KDR and others (see earlier posts and comments, no need to rehash them here).<br /><br />As for SIGN "would tend to compromise the big secret" that's absurd. Roswell was not among the cases investigated. They had nothing to do with crash retrievals. Twining had plenty of answers but it did no harm to seek additional information, from still intact craft (while maintaining the coverup of course).starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68492102339977275572014-10-05T07:02:08.582-07:002014-10-05T07:02:08.582-07:00Larry and CDA both have good points about the role...Larry and CDA both have good points about the role of rank. On the one hand “need to know” and not rank is the criteria for access to a SAP. A secretary may have access and senior officer or manager many not because she needs to type the documents (no work processor software in the 1940s). One the other hand SAP structures typically many have sub-compartments and the higher ranking person within that organization might have access to all of them because he manages all while a lower ranking person might not if they didn’t have a “need to know” for all of them.<br /><br />In the case in question here it seems unlikely that Col. McCoy wouldn’t have clearance for the information that a saucer had crashed near Roswell if in fact one had. He seems to be Gen. Twining’s point man on flying disk studies and it would be strange not let him know that they had positive proof that they were something other than Soviet vehicles if in fact that was at hand. Certainly we believe that Gen. Twining was cleared? If he reviewed the memo before it went out, why sign a memo with incorrect statements about not having physical evidence? There was no need to raise that issue at all.<br /><br />Also, why even have a project SIGN if Twining already knew the answer and it was stored on his base? Having investigators traveling around the country seriously checking up on random UFO sightings would tend to compromise the big secret. A Grudge style disinformation effort would be much more appropriate. This leads me to the logical conclusion the Project Mogol explanation for Roswell is in fact true. <br /><br />As I pointed out before this doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a crash recovery at a later date. But if MJ-12 is government disinformation effort then why point directly at a real recovery event? Why not point at something that was no longer sensitive and was certain to lead Ufology down the wrong path?John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-51293443450556738002014-10-05T04:36:44.406-07:002014-10-05T04:36:44.406-07:00Anthony:
Re ranks, I am reminded of the Canadian ...Anthony:<br /><br />Re ranks, I am reminded of the Canadian Wilbert Smith, who had no stars, no rank and was not even in the military. He wasn't even a US citizen. Yet he, so he claimed, was told all sorts of official UFO secrets while on an official visit to Washington in Sept 1950, and later was even allowed to examine pieces of a crashed UFO! <br /><br />Judge this for yourself. Yes, ranks do matter on many things in the military. But re UFOs, ranks do not seem to matter at all. People just say and repeat whatever they want.<br /><br />But that's ufology.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-13823543700174587582014-10-05T04:15:52.272-07:002014-10-05T04:15:52.272-07:00Larry:
Your third paragraph says it all. Neither ...Larry:<br /><br />Your third paragraph says it all. Neither you or your colleague were given any official information re a classified UFO program, but even if you had been, you couldn't talk about it.<br /><br />So, yet again, the military guys have these SAPs which may, or may not, be connected with researching whether ETs are visiting the earth, but the scientific world as a whole is not being told about it and is ignored. It is, after nearly 7 decades, still top secret and, presumably, confined to just one country.<br /><br />Marvellous, isn't it? For those who want to believe it, that is.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-70891553812585136892014-10-05T02:58:57.871-07:002014-10-05T02:58:57.871-07:00Larry and David
I agree that rank is a factor. McC...Larry and David<br />I agree that rank is a factor. McCoy was a very able individual (Ph.D and an outstanding track record) but policy level decisions require awareness and sensitivity to a wide range of contextual factors that an officer of that rank would not normally be expected to have.<br />He was however a specialist in a very relevant discipline and the limited evidence for any involvement of his group in analysing Roswell at first sight sounds like a paradox.<br />As I am now confident that something unusual involving 'victims' and described as a 'disc' crashed at Roswell this poses an interesting question.<br /><br />I will need to continue this later but I suspect we need to consider both the mindset of the key decision makers, the information they had on or about 7th July ( rather than what we now know or suspect) and the available resources and geography to arrive at a best estimate...<br /><br />Apologies...TBCAnthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09500170864254300321noreply@blogger.com