tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post3195062739545288813..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: No Good Deed Goes UnpunishedKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-86166421782085802412017-08-15T12:03:25.341-07:002017-08-15T12:03:25.341-07:00Like Fry and Adamski, Meir has no proof of anythin...Like Fry and Adamski, Meir has no proof of anything he says. Many investigations have shown the fakes he has used, and it is sad that some still follow these guys. Lorna's dig at Mufon Investigators is the usual stuff we hear from armchair opinionaters.TheUFOGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02846005362986281745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63931244422533179332017-08-15T09:28:30.270-07:002017-08-15T09:28:30.270-07:00dubious -
Your comment was rejected because I do ...dubious -<br /><br />Your comment was rejected because I do not allow political discourse on this blog. Your response, which made sense was fine until you just had to make a political comment. This post had nothing to do with politics, well, those inside the UFO field, but you took it to a level that seems to permeate too much on the Internet today.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6374035987963515762017-08-15T09:22:51.002-07:002017-08-15T09:22:51.002-07:00Purrlgurrl -
All I said, originally, was that Mei...Purrlgurrl -<br /><br />All I said, originally, was that Meier was a contactee and that I did not believe his tale. Didn't call him a name, didn't suggest it was a hoax, only that I didn't believe it. This implied, at least to my way of thinking, was that with sufficient evidence, I could change my mind. Instead, I was told that I had defamed Billy Meier, and the assault began on my character. Not a discussion of the evidence but an assault that was filled with bullying statements. All this because I had originally suggested that Michael Horn be offered the same opportunity to make his case to MUFON that a couple of others, whose tales were clearly hoaxes had been offered to them. <br /><br />So, no, I didn't open this Pandoras's Box, it was opened for me. Once it was opened, I can see no reason not to defend myself. Please note that I have not engaged in name calling or bullying...<br /><br />All this because I expressed an opinion that was contrary to what others believed.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5386840839402466072017-08-15T08:50:26.167-07:002017-08-15T08:50:26.167-07:00I think there's ample and overwhelming evidenc...I think there's ample and overwhelming evidence that Meier is a complete fraud. His "time traveling" dinosaur photos, highlighted by Kevin, are just the tip of the iceberg. Contactees seem to have their own "cultish" worldview on these matters. Like a questionable religion, if one disagrees with their theology, they come after you -- but not with viable evidence and rational discourse --- rather pitchforks and knives.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63223651911073555322017-08-15T03:27:54.594-07:002017-08-15T03:27:54.594-07:00Hello
I tend to agree with the previous comments ...Hello<br /><br />I tend to agree with the previous comments (four are visible at the time I'm writing this).<br /><br />Unfortunately the situation as a whole was summed quite well by a CIA analyst way back in 1952 when he wrote that large sections of the population seem conditioned to the acceptance of the incredible.<br /><br />Solving that problem (and the UFO community part of this is just a symptom of a much more serious and deeper problem we have) is well beyond the scope of anything we can achieve here.<br /><br />I can't think of a better approach than when something comes up that might actually add to our knowledge take a look at it, if it's nonsense then dismiss it and leave it a that and let the fruitcakes enjoy their fantasy. In this area it at least is a relatively harmless fantasy beyond the rather objectionable noise and trolling that goes along with it.<br /><br />I would add that I think it is pretty clear that nothing to do with Meier will add anything at all to our knowledge, so beyond noting the lack of credibility of the claims, to be honest I would just ignore it. Much of what seems to go on looks more like a commercial approach to generating business by courting controversy and by a gradual escalation of claims to keep up the excitement levels of the punters.<br /><br />It would be great to have a group that just ignores this sort of drivel and just occasionally writes about the more solid evidence based work that comes up from time to time from mainstream scientific developments and from the rare real developments in ufology. Not 'exciting' and probably not all that practical in a commercial sense, but it would be interesting to a small number of people. In the meantime we all just have to plough through the noise and try to pick out the useful nuggets.Anthony Muganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195694902712869724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-88581935501141299472017-08-14T07:17:38.832-07:002017-08-14T07:17:38.832-07:00Kevin
I've read you blog for a number of year...Kevin<br /><br />I've read you blog for a number of years, and while I may disagree with you occasionally, I have found that you always base your arguments on the available evidence. There then follows a healthy discussion between the posters and yourself.<br /><br />Unfortunately in the case of Billy Meier's, it seems to be a case that as they can't disprove what you say, they resort to "going for the man and not the ball" as we say in the UK.<br /><br />You've raised a valid point about MUFON and Meier but it's now time to move on to more interesting and worthwhile subjectsSteve Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14765165764276462479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68526302216809703732017-08-14T02:56:17.013-07:002017-08-14T02:56:17.013-07:00I'll admit it. I just couldn't get through...I'll admit it. I just couldn't get through the post. Meier has been so thoroughly discredited that only the most gullible or the dimmest light bulbs in Ufology still pay any attention to his lies and hoaxes. Nothing concerning him is of any interest to those of us who are rational.<br /><br />You did choose to open this Pandora's Box . . .<br /><br />Best to file it all away under the heading,"Lessons Learned", and ignore Meier's advocates. Pretty soon they'll get tired of shadow boxing and move on to harassing someone else.purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56512505803506229872017-08-13T10:07:07.750-07:002017-08-13T10:07:07.750-07:00@Kevin,
When you lie down with dogs, you get up w...@Kevin,<br /><br />When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. <br /><br />Of course, you were pushed into the pit, so you bear no criticism. <br /><br />Sociopaths like Horn, etc. have no use for concepts like truthfulness, rational judgment, protected speech, common decency, and so on. <br /><br />In my opinion, anyone who lies about -anything- (like claiming you backed down from a debate that you never agreed to) should be dismissed out of hand.<br /><br />No discussion required.<br /><br />Still, it was interesting to see the comments, from a psychological point of view. It's like a horrible disaster that, despite your best efforts, you can avoid watching.<br /><br />So thanks for that.<br /><br />. .. . .. --- ....alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547680170328747214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72286531138833385352017-08-13T08:58:55.055-07:002017-08-13T08:58:55.055-07:00Kevin,
Your next book should be a guide for where...Kevin,<br /><br />Your next book should be a guide for where ufolgists should really be putting their time, energy, and resources to work. What "old" cases should we focus on, what can we do today to better equip the amateurs in the field (MUFON investigators for instance), how to file FOIA requests..... WHAT can we do now to either prove or disprove alien visitation? Should the focus be on science and exo-planet exploration? Seems we waste an awful lot of energy re-hashing old crap!Lorna Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04316121534459005110noreply@blogger.com