tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post4314560445559979115..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: The Roswell Slides - An Update by Tony BragaliaKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-81689827573366674072015-02-20T11:47:57.288-08:002015-02-20T11:47:57.288-08:00@ Don,
We will see in May or after... We/I are qu...@ Don,<br /><br />We will see in May or after... We/I are quasi-certain of a culprit. CU then!<br /><br />A. Bragalia wrote: <i>Others will go through the same realization that man did when we realized when we learned that the world does not revolve around the Earth.</i><br /><br />I almost shed a tear...<br /><br />CU later, and best regards,<br /><br />GillesGilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-78347176990142571292015-02-20T06:52:05.181-08:002015-02-20T06:52:05.181-08:00@Tony Bragalia
I am a Roswell believer but sorry....@Tony Bragalia<br /><br />I am a Roswell believer but sorry...the Ray Santilli Case taught me that people can all fake what they want!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07256570936174886701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-39223765942519841362015-02-20T06:47:57.589-08:002015-02-20T06:47:57.589-08:00Has anyone offered a reasonable explanation as to ...Has anyone offered a reasonable explanation as to why an extraterrestrial biological sample would be displayed in a glass case where tourists in skirts could take photographs of it? Wouldn't the "holy grail" of science be handled with the highest medical safety protocols and preserved under the strictest conditions for future study? Common sense would seem to dictate that the corpse being displayed in the glass case, lying on fabric, marked with a hand-written note, and being photographed by a tourist, is not a priceless and potentially dangerous "biological specimen" from another world.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278889487153286818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-74531058049520505812015-02-20T06:46:13.213-08:002015-02-20T06:46:13.213-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278889487153286818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-9886156893925141562015-02-20T05:34:30.912-08:002015-02-20T05:34:30.912-08:00Stephen-
Yours is one the most interesting of all...Stephen-<br /><br />Yours is one the most interesting of all of the questions poised...<br /><br />On May 6th, the day after the reveal, the clock will still tick and we will still get up in the morning with the obligations of life still before us.<br /><br />But may we will arise with just a little more wonder and curiosity about the world in which we live.<br /><br />Some will find it heartening to know that we are not alone in the vast, cold cosmos. Others will go through the same realization that man did when we realized when we learned that the world does not revolve around the Earth.<br /><br />It will be an acceptance that there is something of a higher order than our own. <br /><br />Some will fear, some will hope. Anthony Bragaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876831804254045646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-80411484396757221552015-02-19T16:43:36.450-08:002015-02-19T16:43:36.450-08:00Mr Bragalia's, I have A question for you pleas...Mr Bragalia's, I have A question for you please. If the conference in May succeeds in convincing everyone that this image is indeed that of once a living being from another world, what will be your next steps? and what do you expect to happen, globally, politically?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256741928786467731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56837075572723473462015-02-19T14:18:52.461-08:002015-02-19T14:18:52.461-08:00Gilles,
Anthony Bragalia has said that the image...Gilles, <br /><br />Anthony Bragalia has said that the image is highly distorted with respect to the original. Moreover, your estimation has been made in a hurry.<br /><br />On the contrary, Kodachrome investigators (let's call them that way) have analized TWO images on high resolution, during months or maybe years. You have analyzed just one image, extremely low quality, and which is (most probably) geometrically distorted.<br /><br />At this time, the kodachrome investigators' estimation should still be more accurate than yours (or David's).Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-30887816028290477952015-02-19T13:15:37.990-08:002015-02-19T13:15:37.990-08:00The claim "The fact is that the being picture...The claim "<b>The fact</b> is that the being pictured in the slides is between 3.5-4.0 feet" is a Tony's Roswell Dream Team member claim and sounds not-coherent with some computations we made with (again) no full size and resolution slides. <br /><br />Even David Rudiak is ok the body size is smaller than Tony is claiming (without - Tony- explaining us how he proceeded, his method -sic- despite David, at least explained how he did)... <br /><br />Let's wait full reso of the slide(s), enjoy Tony making teasers again and again for monthes, and we will made our "computations" public and see if Tony's claims were one more time, well, Tony' claims...<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />GillesGilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-88670119206078584002015-02-19T13:15:37.520-08:002015-02-19T13:15:37.520-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-22272328437759979612015-02-19T12:10:24.492-08:002015-02-19T12:10:24.492-08:00An interesting speculation, for people who like co...An interesting speculation, for people who like comparisons, is that the special operations manual, the SOM (majestic document), which is dated in 1954, but which surfaced in 1994, describes the EBE Type 2 as a small bodied alien, with heights ranging between 3’ 5” to 4’ 2” inches. Now, in the “Kodachrome Trailer”, the estimation given is a range of 36” to 48” in height. We seem to have a nice fit. <br /><br />It seems reasonable to think that if the SOM is an authentic document (which maybe), the guys in charge obtained a range of heights by analyzing at least _two_ alien individuals, one of them could be the one we see in the photo, so it seems reasonable to predict that the being on the photo is about 3' 5" in height, a guess before a detailed analysis is performed.<br /><br />Another interesting point is about the range of body masses given in the SOM manual. The range of masses given is 25-50 pounds. Seemingly, this range of masses would be a numerically rounded range for the same two individuals whose height was given previously in the manual. Well, it happens that the body masses values given follow an approximately a cubic scaling law with respect to the values of heights given, i.e. Body mass is proportional to height cubed. The exponent I found is actually 3.1 and not 3 as in a cubic scaling, but given that the mass range has been rounded, assuming a nearly cubic scaling seems to be fairly reasonable. Well, this cubic law is kind of realistic. How did the hoaxer know?Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68736361878723447852015-02-19T10:44:35.859-08:002015-02-19T10:44:35.859-08:00Tony wrote: And scientists such as pathologists ha...Tony wrote: <i>And scientists such as pathologists have also been engaged to gain insight on the various alternatives of what this being could be. All ruled out primate, mummy and hydrocephalic.</i><br /><br />Realy? All ruled out? It is recorded and screenshooted! <br /><br />And you determined the size of the body like you did with your experts. Hum... I'm realy circonspect about your "forensic" competences and claims...<br /><br />I hope "believers" as "skeptics" will have in May full size slides and in full resolution after all your teasers... The two will not forgot your claims...<br /><br />"Dew", in a very recent TV (WGN TV) interview promoting his (Santilli like?) film made this joke regarding some "my" pictures comparisons, and all we are doing in general, photos presented inside the TV interview with "yellow circle" (not the best ones concerning the possible culprit(s) hypothezed, but well, it is better like this, I prefer to not share publicaly now some possible culprits we have in minds...).<br /><br /><i> [Skeptics] which has been really helpful, they are doing a lot of the research work for me that I have been trying to do in my free time for the past couple of years</i><br />Dunno if he is jocking or it speacks for itself how you all realy discarded mummy, and other "our Earth candidats"...<br /><br />We will see in May, maybe you are right, maybe not: but at least, provide good photo materials for our analysis in May or later...<br /><br />Merci, Tony!<br /><br />Gilles FernandezGilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-43820797174422228872015-02-19T05:20:13.111-08:002015-02-19T05:20:13.111-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869512804072910852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18782409105713225692015-02-19T04:32:53.301-08:002015-02-19T04:32:53.301-08:00CommanderCodus-
A private antiquities auctioneer ...CommanderCodus-<br /><br />A private antiquities auctioneer -even an 'underground' one- would display his ill-gotten wares in a more attractive way to entice sale. This set-up is 'raw' and the green cloth does match military-like blanket cloth of the time. The sparse, drab room in which the creature is shown does not look like someone's home or a museum- it looks government-plain. And I doubt that Hilda Ray would risk her license to practice law to attend a shady showing of a hydrocephalac or mummy.<br /><br />Rather than 'private auction' I believe that this is a 'private viewing' of a creature recently deceased, partially autopsied, and preserved.<br /><br />I believe that a partial 'field autopsy' was conducted. They did not have ice or dry ice out in the desert to preserve the corpses. A field autopsy is conducted when time is of the essence. The action of predators and necrosis and the need to dissect before decomposition drove them to gut the torso and abdominal cavities. Field autopsies are often conducted in the natural world when investigating fish die-off, herd death, etc. <br /><br />This creature came to grief in an accident. An eye is missing as if poked out and its head is severed at the neck. Decapitation and eye injury are not uncommon in air crashes.<br /><br />Some select individuals were permitted by military to view a temporary set-up of the displayed being or beings and make independent observations before the beings were transported off to other locations for further study and more secure, permanent storage.<br /><br /> Anthony Bragaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876831804254045646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56038257738960460662015-02-19T03:48:08.199-08:002015-02-19T03:48:08.199-08:00Larry-
'Serious' research on the slides h...Larry-<br /><br />'Serious' research on the slides has been going on for far more than one year.<br /><br />And scientists such as pathologists have also been engaged to gain insight on the various alternatives of what this being could be. All ruled out primate, mummy and hydrocephalic.<br /><br />Two photo experts have come to identical conclusions on the slides having not been tampered and on the dating of the slides. <br /><br />Genealogical and ancestry tracing expertise was employed.<br /><br />Additionally, one of the last known Roswell base witnesses to the bodies confirmed the creature in the slides as being identical to what he saw. The emotions exuded when he was shown the picture of the creature were moving.<br /><br />Part of the reason for this 'pre-release'is to send out a call for help. Constructive, well-intentioned help. <br /><br />If there are ideas to share, if someone out there knew the Rays (they were childless and both from extremely small families, now all dead)we would love to hear from you.<br /><br />Larry, the other thing that proved challenging was getting the experts. Finding the best available talent was not very difficult, it was getting them to work on such a controversial project. Being involved in such a weird subject for many was viewed as professional suicide. Others worried that they would start to receive a barrage of night calls from inquisitive strangers- and that has already happened unfortunately, making one scientist's life in particular pretty miserable.Anthony Bragaliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876831804254045646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-39446489498324484582015-02-18T23:14:00.865-08:002015-02-18T23:14:00.865-08:00Al12 wrote: "...Apparently though these serio...Al12 wrote: "...Apparently though these serious investigations have already been done behind the scenes."<br /><br />I think it's been less than a full year that serious investigations have been going on and I don't think it's been a large number of experts. Any one individual, whether "believer" or "skeptic" can only bring one point of view. For better or worse, science is a consensus among qualified experts. That will emerge only after a significant number of experts have had a chance to consider the evidence. <br /><br />As Daniel Hurd and others are suggesting, there are many other pieces of information in the images to be considered. I will restate: I think it is only after the slides are released that the "serious" investigation will take place.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14431818950679813051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-88575298657816958282015-02-18T23:13:08.107-08:002015-02-18T23:13:08.107-08:00For the sake of argument assume that the investiga...For the sake of argument assume that the investigators do have slides of an extra-terrestrial that were taken in 1947. If in fact the slides are authentic then there are has some implications. One would be that the Roswell chase is real and has been covered up by the government of 68 years. For this to be true then it must then be the case that a powerful and effective organization is in place to maintain this effort.<br /><br />So it would seem likely that this organization would be hostile to the investigators actions to attempt to prove the authenticity of the slides and to publicize their evidence. The investigators have experienced a significant amount of cyber-attacks when knowledge of the slides leaked is consistent with this idea. So isn’t it likely that the cyber-attacks experienced by investigators are not the actions of UFO skeptics or rival investigators but rather of this organization? Also, isn’t there a threat that this organization may attempt to gain possession by clandestine action of the slides before they can be publically revealed in May? <br />John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57993641154621149392015-02-18T21:20:05.771-08:002015-02-18T21:20:05.771-08:00Bob Koford,
No one said you can't speculate o...Bob Koford,<br /><br />No one said you can't speculate on your own. So far, the conversation on this blog has been less about discussing the possibilities of the case, and more about bashing the people behind the scenes. I'd like to see that change.<br /><br />As for the display, it was mentioned earlier that a museum exhibit featuring, for instance, an Egyptian mummy, would not be likely to show the specimen in such a temporary manner with a paper placard instead of a more permanent one. <br /><br />A more reasonable alternative would be a private collection, or an estate sale. I haven't heard that mentioned yet, and that's what this could in fact be; a rare Egyptian artifact at a private auction or...<br /><br />A BLACK MARKET TRANSACTION? Allegedly, these slides were found tucked away in a separate envelope, concealed inside the lining of a photo box belonging to Hilda and Bernard Ray. If this involved an illegal transaction of a rare antiquity, it might explain why they would keep the photo separate.CommanderCronushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11118630938118257930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48789382495824026332015-02-18T19:31:08.292-08:002015-02-18T19:31:08.292-08:00One question that has arisen here, which I agree w...One question that has arisen here, which I agree with, is the apparent manner in which the being was handled. It just doesn't seem right. That's not intended to pass judgement on the research, or any researcher, at all. It is just what I agree is a legitimate observation. With the way everything was created up, etc., why is this little fellow just out in the open? Details like that will be interesting items to be resolved.Bob Kofordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04011405404835724736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90149878853841841722015-02-18T19:30:48.730-08:002015-02-18T19:30:48.730-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bob Kofordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04011405404835724736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63091887876925169102015-02-18T18:06:31.150-08:002015-02-18T18:06:31.150-08:00Daniel Hurd,
I agree 100%, and I'm glad someo...Daniel Hurd,<br /><br />I agree 100%, and I'm glad someone finally pointed this out. Those who claim the pictures don't contain information are dead wrong; the image is loaded with tons of data, if one is observant. The support beam, the blanket, the flooring, at of these could give clues to a location. There's a woman in the photo, and she is wearing clothes. Clothing styles come and go, which points to a particular period in history. <br /><br />A clearer, more detailed version of the slide may reveal light fixtures, another potential clue to date and location. I could go on and on, but the point is this; only an incompetent investigator would find nothing of value in the image. It wouldn't be proof of ETs, but one could certainly get an idea as to the slide's origin.CommanderCronushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11118630938118257930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56919099793055549972015-02-18T17:43:18.595-08:002015-02-18T17:43:18.595-08:00In the slides are other pieces of information I fe...In the slides are other pieces of information I feel have been overlooked. The floor type, the shelving type, the glass, etc. there must be photos of places we could be comparing this to. Military and musuem historians that could say "that was or wasn't standard practice during that time frame", verify the shelving being used was the norm for such and such institutions, or maybe if the military or other institutions ever used temporary glass cases for specimens. <br />Then the other side of this is the Rays. There has to be people out there that knew them. They were an interesting couple, so much more leg work needs done trying to find folks that knew them once. Or even lost relatives of some sort. If they did see something unusual and photograph it, maybe they told other people in passing. <br />I am sure these things are on the minds of the investigators like Tony as well. I think we would all like to hear more about it. <br />That being said, no matter what, this will not be considered the smoking gun, even if it is an actual dead alien. Proof is physical evidence, not photos- even if they are verified. Still, this is all interesting no matter how you spin it. Daniel Hurdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17898445546611415708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72865470049019438692015-02-18T17:07:33.494-08:002015-02-18T17:07:33.494-08:00Mr. Braglia
Thanks for the reply, not sure that ...Mr. Braglia <br /><br />Thanks for the reply, not sure that clue may help you in your higly respected research, but who knows?<br /><br />I have a question reagarding the shape of the "glass box". On the blurry picture it seems to look circular, like a container or a tube, is that correct?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869512804072910852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-29507895108194973962015-02-18T16:37:37.066-08:002015-02-18T16:37:37.066-08:00David, I think you are getting warmer, but still f...David, I think you are getting warmer, but still feel you may have the size estimate too large. Based on comparison to similar case shelving, I think little Rozzy was about 26 inches tall. I could be wrong.<br /><br />If the 3- 4 foot estimate is correct, I wonder what the weight would have been. What is the team's thinking about why this precious specimen would be trusted to a just <i>glass</i> shelf?Curt Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773941506205598439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-1419070562863977972015-02-18T15:23:02.421-08:002015-02-18T15:23:02.421-08:00David
But the problem is we dont really know how ...David<br /><br />But the problem is we dont really know how tall completely the supposed Roswell aliens were.<br /><br />Since i have heard them being referenced to 3ft also.<br /><br />Also didnt Bragalia or someone already give an estimate to the length of the being in inches?Al12https://www.blogger.com/profile/04587268951658892242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-16967914537223081452015-02-18T14:57:11.336-08:002015-02-18T14:57:11.336-08:00Anthony Bragalia:
"However, the image Mr. Fer...Anthony Bragalia:<br />"However, the image Mr. Fernandes (Fernandez) offers is that of a specimen who is far, far shorter than 3.5-4.0 tall."<br /><br />Gilles Fernandez:<br />"It seems here you used the female legs (you decided as skirted!) for your body size estimations if I understand/follow you (?). But there is another method (or using software like the one we used for the McMinville pictures) and other possible referential and "I" find smaller than you concerning our estimations."<br /><br />Hell has probably frozen over, because for once I agree with Gilles. The body is shorter than 3-1/2'-4' by my own estimates, including comparison with the stocky woman standing to the right whose legs and pelvis are mostly showing (perhaps the middle-aged and stocky Hilda Blair).<br /><br />Comparison with the woman suggests the body is at most waist high standing up, or 3'-3-1/2'. (Again depends on a lot of partial unknowns, such as how tall the woman really is, exact body proportions, where woman's and body's feet are, etc.)<br /><br />A more accurate measure is the vertical metal support with holes in it. Such holes are typically 1" apart (I've been looking at contemporary ones) and can be used as a ruler. Using that, I get about 35" high, give or take maybe 3" (depends on where the feet really are, which is being disputed, and perspective.)<br /><br />Now if the holes were really 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" inches apart, then you have to scale accordingly, and the body would be ~44"-57". Clearly the top figure of 57" is much too large compared to the woman, while the 44" figure might be barely possible, but I doubt it. <br /><br />I suspect the 1" separation is likely to hold up, and we have a body about 3' high, give or take a few inches, not 3-1/2'-4' or more. This is also more self-consistent when comparing with the woman than the other estimates with larger hole spacing.<br /><br />This is not human fetus size or the typical "10-year old girl" size used to describe the "grays" or Roswell aliens, but about the height of a two-year old human child. So if this is a human being, it likely survived for about 2 years. That should narrow down some of the possible pathologies a bit, such as those that would almost certainly kill in the first ~18 months of life.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.com