tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post4669728289910047840..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Arthur Exon and the Investigative TeamsKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57798952465261761902017-10-23T23:00:18.018-07:002017-10-23T23:00:18.018-07:00So I recently filed a FOIA for Horse Fly for Wrigh...So I recently filed a FOIA for Horse Fly for Wright Pat in the years listed above and I have received a reply from the Air Force: "A thorough search for these records by Office of Primary Responsibility (OPR) has not produced any responsive records relating to your request" So I don't know if Horse Fly is a bogus name or there was something I missed in filing the FOIA but as for the 1st time filling out a FOIA it was just nice to get a response!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56301105044039691462017-08-23T18:12:11.680-07:002017-08-23T18:12:11.680-07:00The other thing is Bluebook was essentially a PR f...The other thing is Bluebook was essentially a PR front to explain and throw out explainations for UFOS. This would not necessairly be the group or investigators that would go out to crash sites and or recovering advanced technology.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780775650044166677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56548282352051609692017-08-23T18:08:49.039-07:002017-08-23T18:08:49.039-07:00I looked up the memo, which was part of a bigger U...I looked up the memo, which was part of a bigger UFO Study in 1958 on Fold 3 Bluebook microfilm as I wanted my own copy. One of the previous documents in this UFO study file is very interesting. It indicated that the background facts to the Air Force UFO program were as follows:<br />a. AFR 200-2, dated 5 February 1958, essentially stipulates the following:<br />1) The objectives of the UFO program are to first determine the possible threat of UFO's to the security of the United States and its forces; second, to determine the technical or scientific characteristics of any such UFO's; third, to explain or identify all UFO sightings.<br /><br />5) Prompt reporting and rapid identification of UFO's is essential in the Air Force and public interest.<br /><br />So we know that the bottom line the objective of the UFO program was to "explain or identify all UFO sightings" as rapid as possible as that was "essential in the Air Force and public interest."Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780775650044166677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-22600460342882545072017-08-22T01:14:37.379-07:002017-08-22T01:14:37.379-07:00Not sure this will do any good, but this story has...Not sure this will do any good, but this story has inspired me to file my first FOIA request for any info on Horse Fly. If anyone has any of these documents, please share.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-51459650121795195522017-08-21T03:16:00.828-07:002017-08-21T03:16:00.828-07:00You were once very disposed towards accepting Gen....You were once very disposed towards accepting Gen. Arthur Exon's Roswell claims, as they came from someone who seemed to be 'in on it' and knew his facts. Do you now accept that perhaps these claims (and memories) were not so reliable after all? <br /><br />He once said he flew over the exact site of the 'crash' and saw the ground traces in the desert, among other things, didn't he? <br /><br />His testimony looks very shaky now. Not that it ever looked, or sounded, solid anyway.cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26421771084908731872017-08-20T17:44:12.794-07:002017-08-20T17:44:12.794-07:00An interesting development. While I suspect most o...An interesting development. While I suspect most of these people are deceased, there may be some willing to discuss the actual purpose of these teams if living.<br /><br />I do agree that purrlgurrl has some good points. There may still be classified Cold War era information that for whatever reason has never been released. Some of that information may contain Soviet incursions into US airspace.<br /><br />And just for fun, let's not forget that Japan had submarines that could launch observation planes in 1944-45. The Soviets also developed and test flew the Ushakov' Flying Submarine in 1947. The bizarre thing was both sub and aircraft and was made of lightweight metals and special sealants and varnishes.<br /><br />While the project ended in 1953, who's to say they didn't get this thing far enough along to test it over US airspace? Six years spent on something that was already flyable in 1947.<br /><br />One can imagine one of these launched by submarine from the Gulf of Mexico. The added bonus? It's airframe is triangular in shape with a large tower on the top, which for some, might easily be described as "UFO like" in appearance.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-88897434960435030192017-08-19T14:33:11.585-07:002017-08-19T14:33:11.585-07:00Have you ever run into or suspect military or gove...Have you ever run into or suspect military or government personal who were using second or fake identities? One of the reason for asking is, on one of the UFO TV shows, it was suggest that recovery teams did this. Possible yes but I generally don't think so. Mr. Sweepyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966969362028196312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-42363980940278069392017-08-18T21:22:04.942-07:002017-08-18T21:22:04.942-07:00Im trying to get every unit history of the 1006th ...Im trying to get every unit history of the 1006th AISS and, later as reorgansied, the 1127th FAG. They are broken up between NARA and AFHRA. Also, various Aerospace Defence wings assigned to ADC and later ADCOM may have a few passages of text re old UFO investigation attempts by semi-formal groups (as highlighted in this blog post). Barry Greenwood and I have tracked down some of the histories, but we are also finding command chronologies from various AISSs and FAGs too that may shed light. Not an easy task, and expensive.<br /><br />Paul Dean, AustraliaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02162201420674223391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63992784362083166222017-08-17T17:29:09.951-07:002017-08-17T17:29:09.951-07:00Kevin, in response to the great investigative work...Kevin, in response to the great investigative work done by Bob, who would have be notified about non branch, yet government groups gaining access to a site as secure as a launch facility (this is all assuming that you credit King's story which is a big assumption on my part)? It almost seems like a psy-ops mission where you have a mysterious event that everyone on base is dying to find out more about, then you send a non branch IC operatives to conduct very visible operations for a long time on a very large area of operations and despite this high visibility, no one knows what these people are doing on base. From your experience as an intelligence officer, does the military/government deliberately obfuscate in order to seem a certain way, knowing full well that this will lead to false assumptions? I always go back to Vallee's comment that things seemed to be stage managed. I always found it odd why the government would care so much as to manipulate the thinking of such an insignificant group as UFOlogy but that's a question we're all dying to know the answer too though it would probably take an act of God to reveal.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-89949900710446272682017-08-17T09:06:45.818-07:002017-08-17T09:06:45.818-07:00From Robert Hastings -
In the course of my UFO-Nu...From Robert Hastings -<br /><br />In the course of my UFO-Nukes Connection research, I once interviewed a retired USAF missileer who alluded to UFO investigations conducted by a mysterious helicopter unit. Major Gaylan W. King, who was a Minuteman launch officer at Ellsworth AFB in the mid-to-late 1960s, told me,<br /> <br />“I think this happened in 1967 but it may well have been in ’66. I was a Captain, a Missile [Combat] Crew Commander, with the 66th Strategic Missile Squadron. We experienced several cases of UFOs hovering over sites. Everyone knew that there were weird things going on.<br /> <br />The most interesting occurrence—of about 10 to 15—happened one night at another flight, Charlie. I was in the Echo capsule that night and heard what happened on the Primary Alert System. Following the security violation [alarms], both Outer and Inner, they sent out a Strike Team and received a visual report of a UFO hovering over a Launch Facility—I don’t remember which one—with some kind of light beam coming down from the bottom of the UFO to the site. The team leader told the commander at Charlie that the object looked like a ‘flying saucer’ and the beam was described as reddish in color. The craft then took off at high speed.<br /> <br />This report went immediately up the chain [of command] to SAC Headquarters. Soon, black, unmarked Hueys showed up at Ellsworth. They were constantly coming and going, from the base out to the countryside. You know, we had 150 missiles scattered around out there. Anyway, the Hueys were strategically stationed around the greater area of the 44th Strategic Missile Wing—I guess to get a look at the UFOs—which were very evident for three to four weeks.<br /> <br />The crews of those choppers came to the Officers Club but spoke to no one and disappeared as quickly as they appeared. They weren’t Air Force; they were probably working for the CIA or NSA or some group like that. Short hair, dark clothes, kept to themselves. They were different and stuck out. They were all over the place. I’d love to know who they were.<br /> <br />As soon as they showed up, everything began to clamp down. We heard nothing about the results [of their investigations], but I spoke with some of the security Strike Team commanders, all NCOs, who actually saw the unidentified [aerial objects]. This scenario apparently happened at all or most of the Minuteman wings. We heard about that through the grapevine. I have no doubt what the objects were.”<br /> <br />It should be noted that I have King’s DD214, which confirms his presence at Ellsworth during that time-frame and his position as ICBM launch officer. I should also say that his conjecture about the helicopter unit’s non-USAF affiliation is unproved.<br /> <br />--Robert Hastings<br />www.ufohastings.comKRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68075335692627234292017-08-16T14:19:14.300-07:002017-08-16T14:19:14.300-07:00I've always suspected that some of the last ce...I've always suspected that some of the last century's UFO reports involved airspace incursions by foreign military/intelligence, and not all were necessarily high-altitude overflights. There could have been incursions by helicopters launched from sea, for example. I've never believed that US airspace was as inviolable as was claimed by the military and US government during the Cold War. <br /><br />This group would fit into that scenario, especially since some of the areas visited by the group that Exon noted were home to major military installations and missile bases. The group's purpose might have been to investigate what was suspected to be a breach or attempted breach initiated from the air. Investigating any suspect missile system breakdowns might also have been part of the group's mission. Putting it under the UFO investigations umbrella would provide cover.<br /><br />During the Cold War the American public kept being reassured it was protected 24/7 by our missiles targeted to strike at the heart of the old Soviet Union. Imagine the uproar (careers would be shredded - political, military; corporations ruined – defense contractors) if it ever leaked that our airspace and those bases could be breached or our missile systems were subject to breakdowns that took them offline.<br /><br />I have a hunch there's quite a bit of information on Cold War activities that remains classified, possibly including this group's mission and activities. Why keep it classified? We're still giving some of those same Cold War contractors trillions in defense spending today. The public would be rightfully outraged to discover our current defense infrastructure is being trusted to contractors with a long history of questionable work and products. Even today, Americans would want to see some heads on the chopping block.<br /><br />Did this group have anything to do with investigating aliens? You gotta be kidding me. It was the Cold War. That's the critical context that must be considered as the reason for this group's formation and activities, if it existed as Exon claimed it did.<br />purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72484529427950679342017-08-16T11:51:05.407-07:002017-08-16T11:51:05.407-07:00I believe that I have found a roster... but rememb...I believe that I have found a roster... but remember, all this is from 1960, more than a half century ago and there is little information on these guys (yes, guys, there were no women involved in this).KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-60134453419128862242017-08-16T11:02:20.042-07:002017-08-16T11:02:20.042-07:00Is it possie to track any of these team members do...Is it possie to track any of these team members down? How would you even go about that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05375222676275036528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-36528363143528529712017-08-16T00:06:40.155-07:002017-08-16T00:06:40.155-07:00Kevin, this is interesting. This like your other ...Kevin, this is interesting. This like your other followers, begs for additional questions. Were these "teams" only for UFO investigations only? The 20 hours figure suggest that this would be the case. <br /><br />So is there any evidence of a second team for actual crash retrieval? Did Exon mention anything about this?<br /><br />Thanks,Mr. Sweepyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966969362028196312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44247423041771421212017-08-15T19:21:46.589-07:002017-08-15T19:21:46.589-07:00It is interesting that none of these team members ...It is interesting that none of these team members have come forward given that the retired General was leaking information to the public.<br /><br />It appears there is a lot of money to be made if you have a good story to tell, and someone is willing to buy it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-86259377700762226342017-08-15T18:04:01.708-07:002017-08-15T18:04:01.708-07:00I have 2 questions about this great piece of UFO n...I have 2 questions about this great piece of UFO news, 1st why would the USAF who already had a specialized UFO group on base need to be jumped up by a selection of lower officers and NCOs who seemed to be given special access to military assets and equipment (remember Ruppelt spoke of having problems getting a staff car let alone a military aircraft) under a legitimate and named project nonetheless when (also according to Rupplelt) 7 to 8 years previous during the Robertson panel, the suggestion came from NSC that they should spend time "demystifying" UFOs? 2nd, although it sounds like a nice detail, why only give 20hrs on technique and basically choose officers and NCOs who don't travel much? Was this somehow treated as a "sweet gig" for these guys? Something to increase morale in the times of cold war brinksmanship?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-14288683396933474922017-08-15T18:01:19.370-07:002017-08-15T18:01:19.370-07:00Got it, thanks. Interesting that there was a &quo...Got it, thanks. Interesting that there was a "special sauce" group performing investigations that hasn't been looked at till now.<br />Signifying Nothinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09128728067896010102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-1792056013402137982017-08-15T17:10:59.042-07:002017-08-15T17:10:59.042-07:00Sorry. I didn't make it clear. These teams wer...Sorry. I didn't make it clear. These teams were all part of ATIC/FTD and all were based at Wright-Patterson. There were twenty or twenty-two people trained in this and it seems that no one was brought in from outside of that base. Exon thought they came from Washington, D.C. but I found no evidence to suggest this was accurate.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-78405045056625625992017-08-15T16:58:20.745-07:002017-08-15T16:58:20.745-07:00If these teams weren't necessarily from Wright...If these teams weren't necessarily from Wright-Patterson, why was the base involved in their transport? Would they not use the nearest MATS(?) flights to get around?<br />Signifying Nothinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09128728067896010102noreply@blogger.com