tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post4795447737875272836..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Doctor Jesse Marcel and the Roswell UFOKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-38942424874326308922010-09-20T14:14:09.478-07:002010-09-20T14:14:09.478-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-81273402857251037542009-10-15T15:50:14.718-07:002009-10-15T15:50:14.718-07:00"Okay, we can argue all day about what Marcel..."Okay, we can argue all day about what Marcel really saw back in 1947 and we can argue about how trustworthy the memories of an eleven-year-old boy might be after so much time."<br /><br />I wouldn't discount Marcel's memory so much. I saw something unusual in the sky when I was about that age and can recount the details pretty vividly to this day. <br /><br />I had no idea what is was then and it left quite an impression on me. Knowing what I know now, I'm quite certain it was just a Chinese lantern but I still remember it well. ;O)Frank Stalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823301792209882497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3376040658174090632009-07-18T13:44:35.738-07:002009-07-18T13:44:35.738-07:00very sensible, Kevin, very straightforward. In org...very sensible, Kevin, very straightforward. In organized religion, too. I think that the force field of distortion that happens there, eclipsing common sense and what people see with their own eyes, happens in this domain too, and for some of the same reasons. The unthinkable triggers projections based on fear, wish, hope, and they fuel inject the discussion.<br /><br />I come from another country, and listening to these discussions is very much like listening to peope at a barbeque pit I think it is called saying astonishing things to one another.<br /><br />~JackJack Teufelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10679529147521442496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-56395832991113192312009-07-18T13:42:08.942-07:002009-07-18T13:42:08.942-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Teufelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10679529147521442496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-45544698504303671192009-07-18T10:34:09.786-07:002009-07-18T10:34:09.786-07:00Good article!
I am most thankful to Dr. Marcel fo...Good article!<br /><br />I am most thankful to Dr. Marcel for his integrity, and for providing the much needed insight into his father's personality. <br /><br />For so long I had wanted to get the feeling for what he had gone through in the years following the incident, and Dr. Marcel's book did just that. It made me feel great empathy for him, and his family.<br /><br />Thanks Dr. Marcel!Bob Kofordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739226809252915992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-13133285457600273572009-07-16T15:52:59.160-07:002009-07-16T15:52:59.160-07:00Lance -
Nope... I'm saying that calling Dr. M...Lance -<br /><br />Nope... I'm saying that calling Dr. Marcel a liar and worse is not the same as suggesting that his memories might not be accurate. I think I pointed that out. We all agree that he saw something. We disagree with his intepretation of what he saw. That, I believe is proper discourse.<br /><br />And I will object to your suggestion that all first-hand witnesses have been proven to be liars. Such is not the case. True, some... Frank Kaufmann, Gerald Anderson among them... have been proven to be liars but others have not.<br /><br />Frankie Rowe, I believe is telling the truth. Yes, much of her testimony comes from what her father said but we now have one of the Roswell firefights, one Pflock had interviewed, saying that he too, knew that her father had gone out to the crash site.<br /><br />We have new (well, rediscovered) evidence that Lydia Sleppy was talking about the teletype transmissions before the Roswell case exploded everywhere.<br /><br />My point is simply that not all of the first-hand witnesses have been proven liars. Such sweeping generalization should be left out of the discussions.<br /><br />KRandleKRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72155288444597147502009-07-16T15:26:30.438-07:002009-07-16T15:26:30.438-07:00As a hard core skeptic, I have not seen any hatred...As a hard core skeptic, I have not seen any hatred directed as Dr. Marcel. If it has happened, it is regrettable.<br /><br />He is perhaps the most consistent witness in the whole story. I don't' think I have ever heard him add details, etc as so many of the other witnesses have done over the years. And his career, family and life seem to be admirable, courageous and exemplary.<br /><br />Hopefully, you are not saying Kevin, that if someone discounts the 50 year old memories of an 11 year old boy or doubts those memories, that they are showing hatred.<br /><br />I think it is perfectly reasonable to discount his memories. I think it is perfectly reasonable to discount my own memories!<br /><br />Indeed honest reflection would suggest that the fact that the debris looked so much like balsa wood sticks, mylar and foil, gives any reasonable person GOOD reason to doubt the near-magical properties that were dredged up later and now form the only leg left for the Roswell story (since all 1st hand "witnesses" have been proven as craven liars).<br /><br /><br />LanceLancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-58428535043473599082009-07-16T14:46:22.645-07:002009-07-16T14:46:22.645-07:00CDA -
There are others out there and think nothin...CDA -<br /><br />There are others out there and think nothing about attacking the integrity of witnesses, researchers and anyone else who happens to disagree. It doesn't matter if that criticism is inaccurate. Only their opinions count and if they have to smear the good name of someone, then they'll do it.<br /><br />But, I see you agree with what I have said and I don't remember ever seeing anything where you attacked a witness rather than offer an alternative explanation. Such is reasoned discourse, something that seems to be too rare in our world.<br /><br />KRandleKRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-29302869712346644732009-07-16T06:51:57.154-07:002009-07-16T06:51:57.154-07:00I understand Marcel jr is religious. I don't e...I understand Marcel jr is religious. I don't equate that with intellectual brilliance but some might equate it with a reluctance to lie. A devout outlook seems simple minded to me but AFAIK there's no basis for questioning his veracity.starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-52133576633539360232009-07-16T02:32:04.488-07:002009-07-16T02:32:04.488-07:00Certainly nobody should resort to character assass...Certainly nobody should resort to character assassination or personal attacks on Marcel jr. Not in any shape or form. Some people have tried to discredit Marcel Sr re his records in the AF, but I have not heard of anything similar against Marcel Jr. One exception was Robert Todd, I believe. But then Todd had plenty of detractors & attackers as well. <br /><br />Such is ufology .cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3704269468691357212009-07-15T20:50:45.291-07:002009-07-15T20:50:45.291-07:00Well said, Kevin. The attacks against Jesse Jr ar...Well said, Kevin. The attacks against Jesse Jr are totally unwarranted and beyond the pale.<br /><br />One thing that has always impressed me about him is that his story has remained essentially the same from when it was first reported in Moore/Berlitz book back in 1980. It hasn't "grown" over the last 29 years to become more and more elaborate. We have seen this unfortunate phenomenon with other "old-school" Roswell witnesses, and it's a disturbing trend.<br /><br />He saw a bunch of junk in his parent's kitchen in the middle of the night. An I-beam with some purple hieroglyphics. Dad said it was from a flying saucer. End of story. Make what of it what you will. <br /><br />In fact, I believe he's never even claimed to have seen the so-called "memory foil" that many other witnesses have reported (including his dad). If he wanted to make stuff up, he certainly could have "gotten away" with talking about the memory metal. But, he never has-- because he didnt see it personally. No embellishment there.<br /><br />I find him to be a credible witness.<br /><br />As you correctly pointed out, the man does not need to be validated by UFO buffs to give his life meaning. He has accomplished a great deal in his life, and he has no need to subject himself to the crosshairs of debunkers.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15130340626162056058noreply@blogger.com