tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post5742868149763657501..comments2024-03-18T16:51:50.688-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: A Final Fatal Statement about the Roswell SlidesKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6423482541134551052015-05-23T02:16:31.020-07:002015-05-23T02:16:31.020-07:00Gentlemen, the real damage continues to go largely...Gentlemen, the real damage continues to go largely unchecked, as Maussan is able to instill some "doubt" in the gullible minds of many sensationalist fans. What is the real damage? <br /><br />For anyone who believes there may be something unexplained about the Roswell incident, this charade is a gross insult to our inteligence. Evidence as to the impact on modern society from Roswell could perhaps be found in analyzing facts such as the exponential growth in the number of aerospace U.S. patents filed at the end of 1947 and onwards. <br /><br />That same year patents were applied for transistors, supersonic engines, the first space station design, etc. It is also noteworthy that the CIA was founded that very September 1947 by executive order. So, there may be something here that has now been thrown a bucket of cold water. But, most importantly and quite apart from Roswell is the fact that there is a very real phenomena observed in the sky, which perhaps hundreds of thousands of people have witnesses.<br /><br />What is the real UFO phenomena about? For many, incuding my own eyewitness experience, we gather that whatever craft is able to manouver, be it "orbs of light" or other craft, is not likely made by same advanced aerospace who struggle with internal combustion engines and fuel burning rockets of all sorts.<br /><br />There was a very strong and possibly successful movement for real institutional disclosure of the UFO phenomena by governments. Now, after this festival of lies, this "freak show" the pressure is off. Is think Kevin Randle said it best when he blogged that a 70 year effort to gather evidence and push for official disclosure had been derailed.<br /><br />I am also shocked at the fact several U.S and even Mexican Laws were most likely broken by the #beWitness hoaxsters. Including the murky circumstances of how the box was removed from a house under a Court ordered sale (all article removals required Court approval.) As well as many other State and Federal level Fraud laws. It is very likely that the #RoswellSlides promoter team, including SlideBox et al, grossed over US$5 million dollars!<br /><br />No Sirs, this is a direct affront to society!<br /><br />"Do no go gentle into that good night, but rage, rage against the dying of the light!"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06789563623874328829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-72736866383136933682015-05-17T18:14:15.446-07:002015-05-17T18:14:15.446-07:00TheDimov said...
'..He is apologetic from the...TheDimov said...<br /><br />'..He is apologetic from the get go - if I'd found the "smoking gun" I would sound like a kid in a candy store...'<br /><br /><br />I doubt that you really would, and, if you did, you'd soon be forced to sober up, due to the adverse reaction you'd receive from many.<br /><br /><br />See also what John Spencer wrote about this hypothetical situation, in 1994:<br /><br />http://globeintransit.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/john-spencer-on-reaction-to-proof-of.htmlDaniel Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936796213773640538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44991567306709230772015-05-17T16:54:34.259-07:002015-05-17T16:54:34.259-07:00Geez Martin, that interview speaks volumes.. so ea...Geez Martin, that interview speaks volumes.. so early on in the game he is so extremely defensive, as if in damage control already. He is apologetic from the get go - if I'd found the "smoking gun" I would sound like a kid in a candy store, I wouldn't sound like a lawyer trying to defend myself should the whole wall fall on top of my head..TheDimovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15882471911353036958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-39207414029640156582015-05-17T15:56:47.027-07:002015-05-17T15:56:47.027-07:00In an interview I did with Don Schmitt in October,...In an interview I did with Don Schmitt in October, 2013, I asked him about the purported slides of Roswell aliens. His comment at the time was: "They should be released to the public, not the UFO community" and "They need to be treated with do diligence to make sure they are what they are supposed to be" and finally, "Nothing can be proven from a photograph, anything can be manipulated". I have always enjoyed speaking with Don, and now wonder how he could have forgotten all the guidelines he was purposing. You can listen to him talk about the slides here: http://podcastufo.com/podcast/68-steve-pierce<br /><br />Martin WillisAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181749535632557635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-69146244754227031502015-05-17T15:05:16.286-07:002015-05-17T15:05:16.286-07:00@David Rudiak
Thanks. I may contact Dennis since ...@David Rudiak<br /><br />Thanks. I may contact Dennis since it appears the FOIA correspondence ends rather abruptly. The correspondence appears to have still been continuing at the time the relevant webpage was written (which appears to be back in around 2001).<br /><br />Isaac Koi - New Uploadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834535736869998857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-52388714320866133932015-05-17T13:51:11.343-07:002015-05-17T13:51:11.343-07:00Isaac,
For a current, complete listing of Dennis ...Isaac,<br /><br />For a current, complete listing of Dennis Balthaser's FOIA requests concerning the 1994 AFOSI handling of the Ramey memo, plus a discussion of the obvious run-around he was getting:<br /><br />http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/foia-requests.html<br /><br />To refresh some memories, the AFOSI Roswell report claimed they had obtained photos of the Ramey memo from the University of Texas at Arlington and passed it on to a photoanalysis lab of a "high level government organization" to see what they could make out in it. Allegedly they reported back that literally nothing could be made out at all due to poor quality.<br /><br />All Dennis was trying to obtain was the actual correspondence, including final report of the lab to back up AFOSI's claim in their report. <br /><br />I suggest people who think FOIA's automatically guarantee requested information to be forthcoming, instead of researchers getting BS responses back time after time, should read the multiple FOIA requests of Dennis and the non-answers he kept getting back. Yet it was a simple request--provide the actual cited reference material used in the AF Roswell report. He wasn't asking for schematics of the stealth bomber.<br /><br />As for the mysterious high level organization that was charged with doing the memo analysis, Kevin has recently learned from a very credible source that it was the CIA's National Photo Interpretation Center, which has had a long history in UFO-related photo-analysis.<br /><br />A key figure in the creation of the NPIC was Arthur C. Lundahl, who originally headed the Navy's photogrammetric group, one of the labs that analyzed the 1952 Trementon UFO movie. His work on this led to him being was recruited by the CiA and heading up the NPIC.<br /><br />According to Grant Cameron, Lundahl had an intense interest in the topic and according to one who had been in his home reported he had the largest UFO library he had ever seen. Among other things, Lundahl and the NPIC were also involved in some of the photoanalysis for the Condon Commission.<br /><br />http://www.presidentialufo.com/john-f-kennedy/72-president-john-f-kennedy<br /><br />Thus perhaps not much of a surprise that the Ramey memo might be sent to them. (It was certainly at the top of the list of speculated "high level government" labs.)<br /><br />What is surprising is that statement that absolutely nothing could be read, since it is obvious from blowups that at least some things can indeed be read. So either they were provided with supercrappy images or somebody was lying.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68912477646800711522015-05-17T13:32:17.834-07:002015-05-17T13:32:17.834-07:00Although I have no way of knowing, I would suspect...Although I have no way of knowing, I would suspect that the governments interagency UFO working group is having a big laugh about this whole "Roswell Slides" affair.John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-74301763287427149492015-05-17T11:53:53.221-07:002015-05-17T11:53:53.221-07:00Answering my own incidental question about FOIA re...Answering my own incidental question about FOIA requests at the end of my post a moment ago in relation to the Ramey memo, while the link on David Rudiak's website is dead I've found the relevant material using the Wayback Machine's Internet Archive e.g. : <br /><br />http://web.archive.org/web/20120321003517/http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/foia_requests_and_responses.html<br /><br />Particularly:<br />http://web.archive.org/web/20120208170739/http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/images/foia7january2000.jpg<br /><br />Isaac Koi - New Uploadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834535736869998857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-436834368699319452015-05-17T11:46:17.677-07:002015-05-17T11:46:17.677-07:00David Rudiak said : "I recently suggested the...David Rudiak said : "I recently suggested the skeptics stop pretending that nothing can be made out in the Ramey memo and work on it in he same way they did the placard."<br /><br />I'm not sure where (or whether) to comment on this since Kevin may view it as off-topic in relation to his post - so I'll just post a few brief thoughts here.<br /><br />The placard was relevant to developing news that appeared to be of interest to a wide cross-section of the UFO community. <br /><br />I've read a considerable number of UFO books (over a thousand) and a much larger number of magazine/journal articles: very few of them (even ones devoted to Roswell) refer to the Ramey memo. <br /><br />Does this not suggest that most UFO researchers (rightly or wrongly) do not consider the Ramey memo to be significant evidence? <br /><br />Incidentally, has anyone ever made a FOIA request in relation to the USAF's attempt to read the Ramey memo?<br />Isaac Koi - New Uploadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834535736869998857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-53493759810384828072015-05-17T10:07:47.402-07:002015-05-17T10:07:47.402-07:00I believe it is important to gather (or try to) mo...I believe it is important to gather (or try to) more information about the mummified body. Future researchers will be more prepared in case a new similar photo appears. Even if a photo of a real alien surfaces, the knowledge gathered from this fiasco may prove to be useful.<br /><br />See it positively, everyone following closely this story has learned a lot about human behavior, deblurring softwares, mummies and much more, and probably more can be learned.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-22152635145518313992015-05-17T09:23:23.149-07:002015-05-17T09:23:23.149-07:00Gene,
I believe that all of us (99.9%) are in tot...Gene,<br /><br />I believe that all of us (99.9%) are in total agreement with you...it is a mummy that was on display and the deciphered placard proves this.<br /><br />However, I also understand David Rudiak's curiosity pertaining to Carey and Schmitt's confusing identification, or lack of any rational methodology. One of them studied anthropology and should have known better from an academic standpoint.<br /><br />Plus, there is a movement, silently by Jamie Maussan, to claim that the mummy in question was actually that of an "alien" based on bizarre oddities shown in the images which drove their "experts" to conclude that the mummy was not human. Yes, a mute point for most of us, but such thoughts do gather steam over time.<br /><br />I'm hoping that David will be able to pass on the image to a forensic anthropologist that he knows and get an independent assessment. I feel confident that such an unbiased opinion will go far to end this saga at all junctures of this story.<br /><br />BTW, my calling for an independent anthropologist review is well known with my fellow members of RSG. Even after the placard was deciphered, I was of the opinion that such a review would ultimately be needed sometime down the road...for obvious reasons.Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-13647203170815944422015-05-17T09:08:43.277-07:002015-05-17T09:08:43.277-07:00@Rudiak -
Seems like your interest is most suited...@Rudiak -<br /><br />Seems like your interest is most suited to an anthropological North American Indian research group - not one on UFOs given what we know.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-35540456960622387952015-05-17T08:56:24.396-07:002015-05-17T08:56:24.396-07:00David,
I've had a chance to view Dew's fa...David,<br /><br />I've had a chance to view Dew's face shot. I added my comments to your observations.<br /><br />"One can see the upper end of the humerus (upper arm one) and see that it is missing the ball of he shoulder ball and socket joint. The socket is also missing, noted by one of the Mexico City pathologists. On the other hand, the humerus end looks a little jagged, so maybe these pieces got broken off and lost along the way, such as perhaps during a crude excavation."<br /><br />Cloth, or a garment is covering most of the extreme upper shoulder structure and the neck/cervical area. It is appears that the clavicle is visible.<br /><br />The shoulder joint structure could possibly be there but obscured by the positioning of the body, or ill defined based on decomposition and desiccation. Perhaps the child was in advance stages of malnutrition or suffering for disease such as Rickets which could account for poor bone growth and development. <br /> <br />Or, as you say, broken apart via excavation. <br /><br /><br />"There is a hole or a chunk missing out of the right jaw near the mouth, which the pathologist attributed to an impact injury such as from a crash, but I could also imagine maybe decay or maybe an animal getting to the body."<br /><br />I find it difficult to come to any conclusion that what is seen is an impact wound. It is possible that we are seeing the effects of internal decomposition that is causing the effects. If you look at the left side of the face, it appears to be similar as the right as I see a depression in the same area...symmetrical facial features and structures.<br /><br />More later... Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-8168297682560716632015-05-17T08:16:31.601-07:002015-05-17T08:16:31.601-07:00I think at this point speculating about the mummy ...I think at this point speculating about the mummy is really not relevant anymore, unless that's your bag.<br /><br />I think it's high time to move on. But Ufoology never learns.<br /><br />Peace,<br />GeneGene Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015909139333053816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-67407795882509707482015-05-17T00:14:28.169-07:002015-05-17T00:14:28.169-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Movie Propshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120074549697034473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5896660410919301502015-05-16T22:39:43.169-07:002015-05-16T22:39:43.169-07:00Really? At this point, with what we know, it actu...Really? At this point, with what we know, it actually matters how many ribs this mummy has?Manny Cotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267187363890541340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-15219731663075232802015-05-16T21:50:29.000-07:002015-05-16T21:50:29.000-07:00Larry wrote:
"So it is almost certain that th...Larry wrote:<br />"So it is almost certain that the Park Service would no longer have possession of the Palmer mummy. However, it is likely that they will have records of having acquired and disposed of the mummy. Likewise, they should have photos--allowing comparison with the slides."<br /><br />That's what I'm hoping, surviving records, photos, maybe even medical pathological reports. If we are very lucky, X-rays would have been done, as is often the case wih mummies.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-59060258542681066092015-05-16T21:32:46.503-07:002015-05-16T21:32:46.503-07:00Looks like Don Schmitt was previously scheduled to...Looks like Don Schmitt was previously scheduled to speak May 16 at a MUFON con in PA:<br /><br />http://mufonpa.com/wp1/?page_id=925 <br /><br />Kinda wonder if the show went on, as they say, and what happened.Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-20434340898691530352015-05-16T18:30:50.800-07:002015-05-16T18:30:50.800-07:00David; for your information (and that of others) I...David; for your information (and that of others) I pointed out in a posting last week that the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act of 1990 required that all human remains taken from places like Mesa Verde be returned to representatives of Native American tribes for reburial. So it is almost certain that the Park Service would no longer have possession of the Palmer mummy. However, it is likely that they will have records of having acquired and disposed of the mummy. Likewise, they should have photos--allowing comparison with the slides.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14431818950679813051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-5704573897480529482015-05-16T16:48:37.094-07:002015-05-16T16:48:37.094-07:00David,
Thanks for your above impressions. When I...David,<br /><br />Thanks for your above impressions. When I get the chance, I'll take a look at Dew's image. At work now so it will have to be later.Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-74603778631488693732015-05-16T16:39:12.536-07:002015-05-16T16:39:12.536-07:00Brian Bell wrote:
"I don't see the reaso...Brian Bell wrote:<br /> "I don't see the reasoning in exploring it further unless it's some sort of strategy to defend the Dream Team's inept actions."<br /><br />Exploring it further might reveal if this was a normal child mummy or a seriously deformed one, which might go a long way towards deciding whether people were truly "inept", or honestly confused by a very unusual body, maybe a unique one.<br /><br />Tim Herbert, no "believer", and a few others are curious about this possibility, as am I. Maybe you just lack curiosity. Or maybe you just always want to assume the worst possible motives in people associated with UFO research.<br /><br />Even if the body was reburied, there should still be old photos and reports on it still laying around somewhere, maybe even detailed medical/pathological analysis of the body itself, i.e., not just working from photos. What's the harm in trying to find out more? Nobody's asking you to lift a finger.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-42210133059738603432015-05-16T16:27:42.262-07:002015-05-16T16:27:42.262-07:00Incidentally, Adam Dew put up a high-res scan of j...Incidentally, Adam Dew put up a high-res scan of just the face on his website:<br /><br />http://slideboxmedia.com/face/<br /><br />It shows a little bit of the upper rib region, not enough to help resolve the number of ribs issue.<br /><br />Looking at the white rectangular support with the holes, one can see there was complex double motion blur, perhaps horizontally left to right than diagonally up to the right. This information was not made available to any analysts I am aware of, like myself, that might have helped clear up the placard. SmartDeBlur is able to detect it on its own, resulting in a boomerang-shaped deblur kernal.<br /><br />If the holes in the support are a standard 1 inch, then the length of the head is only 8 or 9 inches, not even adult human size.<br /><br />Applying SmartDeBlur, the white spot on the white forehead does not seem to resolve into a number, as some have conjectured, common for marking mummies to help identify them. Doesn't prove it; maybe it is just a light reflecion off the glass.<br /><br />One can see the upper end of the humerus (upper arm one) and see that it is missing the ball of he shoulder ball and socket joint. The socket is also missing, noted by one of the Mexico City pathologists. On the other hand, the humerus end looks a little jagged, so maybe these pieces got broken off and lost along the way, such as perhaps during a crude excavation.<br /><br />There is a hole or a chunk missing out of the right jaw near the mouth, which the pathologist attributed to an impact injury such as from a crash, but I could also imagine maybe decay or maybe an animal getting to the body.<br /><br />Remains of the right eyeball may be there--hard to say. The pathologist thought it was still protruding instead of being dried up like a mummy, one reason he rejected mummy and thought maybe chemical preservation had been used.<br /><br />The nose is almost totally lacking with the nostrils showing, sort of classic "grey" description, but probably also normal mummification.<br /><br />It is not clear if there are teeth or a part of tongue showing on the inside of the mouth--depends on the blur diameter. At 100x100 blur size, the mouth is entirely black and maybe "teeth" or gums are an illusion caused by blurring of the lower lip.<br /><br />Those are just my preliminary impressions.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-68346344848062929142015-05-16T14:48:41.831-07:002015-05-16T14:48:41.831-07:00@Rudiak -
Why are we bothering to do more discov...@Rudiak - <br /><br />Why are we bothering to do more discovery on the child mummy in the images? It really doesn't matter where it is now since it has already been established that it is what the photo represents - a North American Indian child mummy from Mesa Verda or surroundings?<br /><br />Seems the case is closed unless this blog has now decided its main focus is anthropological mummy investigation.<br /><br />The mummy has probably been reburied as indicated in earlier posts. I don't see the reasoning in exploring it further unless it's some sort of strategy to defend the Dream Team's inept actions.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63954029627959257172015-05-16T14:01:45.639-07:002015-05-16T14:01:45.639-07:00Lance, as usual trying to pick a fight:
Not respon...Lance, as usual trying to pick a fight:<br /><i>Not responding to challenges and instead moving onto some other dubious claim is a classic sign of the UFO way.</i><br /><br />No, it's a classic sign that I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you over your own unprovable claims (that there is a normal complement of ribs, those missing ribs are just hidden away or allegedly fused with other ribs, so it only seems like most of the ribs are missing). I could respond in kind that making highly speculative claims like that is the classic sign of the “debunker way.”<br /><br />The classic SCIENTIFIC way to resolve this is to try to get more information, which I am trying to do now, such as contacting the U.S. Park Service at the last known location of the mummy and also trying to find surviving members of the S.L. Palmer family (S.L. Palmer Sr. found the mummy in 1896 and son S.L. Palmer Jr. donated back to the park service in 1936<br /><br />Heavens Lance! A week ago we had a polite conversation on the phone about the mummy matter, et al, so I know you can be a normal, polite, rational human being when you want to be. But once online and in print, you turn from Dr. Jekyll into Mr. Hyde and quickly revert to attack and insult mode.<br /><br />I suggested to you that it would be much more helpful to discussions if you just made your points and avoided the nastiness, and you agreed. You have been told this many times by others. Yet you can't seem to restrain yourself for more than 5 minutes before reverting to old form. I honestly don't understand it.<br /><br /><i>You mention again (!) how the mean old skeptics won't buy your analysis of the Ramey memo. I just told you the reasons why. Yet you bring up the the same argument again.</i><br /><br />I bring up the same argument again because you aren't responding to the point I'm making.<br /><br />Remove the context of the mummy placard and most of that placard is anything but easily readable, just like most of the Ramey memo. So how was it read, and very successfully? By applying known context (mummy, body, museum), knowledge of the world (San Francisco, bodies buried), and knowledge of English grammar, words, and sentence structure. That was the methodology used, even if people didn't realize they were applying a methodology.<br /><br />As for your supposed arguments against reading the Ramey memo, you stated it was "MUCH more indistinguishable than the mummy placard," which is a gross exaggeration, and my reading was "gibberish", which a was pure fabrication on your part, since part of my stated methodology was that any good reading should be coherent, fluent, grammatical, and sensible. <br /><br /><i>This is the UFO way as well.</i> <br /><br />This is the Lance "Debunker way" --flippant dismissal, misrepresentation, and insult. (Do you want me to bring up your recent personal fiasco concerning the Trent photos and your pseudoscientific claim that wires would not significantly sag under the weight of something like a "truck mirror". Your "research" "proof" was finding a Google photo of tennis shoes slung over large power lines. You didn't debate facts and instead were extremely insulting and obnoxious to me, until NASA engineer Larry pinned your ears back with a an actual science lesson stating that I was 100% right and you were totally wrong. No, I guess I won't bring that up.)<br /><br /><i>And you would get so much more mileage by dropping that methodology and trying to work with other folks instead of against them.</i><br /><br />"Drop the methodology" and substitute insult "non-research" in its place? (Ramey memo can't be read just because you say so.) Is that more of the "Debunker Way" Lance? <br /><br />Reading the placard or the Ramey memo is all about methodology. I have worked collaboratively with many people on the memo, my data and methodology have been online for a dozen years, and I recently suggested the skeptics stop pretending that nothing can be made out in the Ramey memo and work on it in he same way they did the placard.David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-83380800438782995242015-05-16T13:24:43.685-07:002015-05-16T13:24:43.685-07:00Lance,
As you and I had discussed at length, I...Lance,<br /><br />As you and I had discussed at length, I'm confident that the mummy in the Kodak image has 10 pairs of ribs and minus total degradation, 2 pair of floating ribs. I state this based on our comparison mummy which has similar visual oddities, yet xrays confirming the correct compliment of ribs.<br /><br />But, I also see David's point of view as to the perceived bizarre appearance of the image. Again, this could be due to the angle of the camera combined with the natural lighting in the museum...lens flaring? This could account for the visual distortion of the head/skull region. Yet, the mummy may well represent congenital deformities that ultimately lead to an early death of this child.<br /><br />Now, what has changed my opinion is the manner of mummification process (before the placard was deciphered) since we all seem to be in agreement that this was more than likely a natural process based on environment and geographical location. This natural process could easily account for the oddities that some see in the specimens facial features as the mummification process would have been uncontrolled (for lack of a better description) vs that of a specific process of preservation as practiced in ancient Egypt. We see this effect in our comparison mummy.<br /><br />I would think that if David can have an independent forensic anthropologist look at this in an objective manner then whatever questions remain should be adequately answered to all's satisfaction.<br /><br />Personally, I see the remains of a human whose odd features can be explained.Tim Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816425882305963295noreply@blogger.com