tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post5825912468545165209..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Ed Ruppelt's Anti-UFO Crash StatementKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-62047181201164920972016-07-27T05:25:29.907-07:002016-07-27T05:25:29.907-07:00Peter Z -
Your comments make little sense. We all...Peter Z -<br /><br />Your comments make little sense. We all know that those investigating UFOs for Blue Book slapped answers on the cases so that they wouldn't be labeled as unidentified. We know that they lost case files, conducted their investigations over the telephone and often had to be dragged into the research. We know that the files contain contradictory information, and I have written about all that on many occasions.<br /><br />Being retired military has nothing to do with the evaluation of this aspect of UFO research. I have seen the military investigation bungled, know that the Condon Committee was a put up job with the conclusions written before a single case was reviewed, and have seen UFO researchers make up evidence to support their favorite cases, so it is not a matter of trusting military over Ufologists. It is a matter of looking at the evidence to reach a conclusion. It is not about a personal bias but a search for the truth. While everyone is free to believe whatever he or she wants, often evidence gets in the way and is ignored.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-9724153724054196022016-07-26T18:52:34.015-07:002016-07-26T18:52:34.015-07:00Some consider people who saw something are lying o...Some consider people who saw something are lying or making something up and project bluebook is 100% honest. I doubt that though. Bc project blue book was done by the military and not an independent organization. So it's definitely in the range of possibilities that roswell was not part of the declassified blue book files. If project blue book was done by an independent source I'd trust them if they said there happened nothing at roswell. But since it was done by a governmental organization it can't be 100% trusted. <br />But I can understand that you as ex-military member rather trust the military than Ufologists. But I think we all have our own and free opinions and believes and that's good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05153829011170404767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-44376470919565842322016-07-11T05:58:47.435-07:002016-07-11T05:58:47.435-07:00Here is an excerpt of "the UFO Experience&qu...Here is an excerpt of "the UFO Experience" ,in which Hynek spoke about his work on project BB.: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc296.htmAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869512804072910852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6195502843963137592016-07-09T17:49:33.614-07:002016-07-09T17:49:33.614-07:00Kevin,
This Ruppelt statement was written post Ro...Kevin,<br /><br />This Ruppelt statement was written post Robertson Panel, right? At that point the official positions on UFOs changed from oven investigation to case closed no UFO. So Ruppelt as disciplined Air Force officer got with the program. Going into Roberson he held the positions that he was 60% pro-extraterrestrial if I recall what he said in his book. So this should be no surprise really. John's Spacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241028519082710381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-26442782685087339212016-07-08T18:29:41.427-07:002016-07-08T18:29:41.427-07:00Tim McCauley: I believe the source for Hynek'...Tim McCauley: I believe the source for Hynek's statement is either in his "The Hynek UFO Report" or his "The UFO Experience". Both are excellent reading and the former details Hynek's conversion from a skeptic to a believer...Clarencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17950970228169491036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-61106593149425744402016-06-29T07:07:31.533-07:002016-06-29T07:07:31.533-07:00> Hynek was a civilian who complained that the ...> Hynek was a civilian who complained that the really good cases went somewhere else<br /><br />Hi Kevin,<br /><br />Been following your blog for a long time, and this subject for much longer. I've often heard this same thing about Hynek but can't seem to find a source. Was this a conversation he had with a fellow researcher, or did he mention it in one of his works? Heck, I may have read it in one of his books but that was a long time ago. Thanks for your time.<br /><br />TimAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04886278358911058961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-36944315649523155542016-06-26T08:26:34.263-07:002016-06-26T08:26:34.263-07:00@Kevin,
I was wondering about the context of the ...@Kevin,<br /><br />I was wondering about the context of the presentation. Was the 'briefing' a verbal presentation? Were these briefings also transcribed and disseminated? Who would have been in the audience? <br /><br />Information I found on the ADC wasn't detailed enough.<br /><br />It makes sense to me that all ADC briefings were classified, regardless of content. Is that so? <br /><br />I would regard Ruppelts presentation as directed to a specific audience.<br /><br />. .. . .. --- ....alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15547680170328747214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-25392221710001210822016-06-24T10:14:06.457-07:002016-06-24T10:14:06.457-07:00Don -
Didn't say that it was definitive... bu...Don -<br /><br />Didn't say that it was definitive... but when coupled with other statements made around the same time and by the people who would have known, it becomes much stronger.<br /><br />There is another side to all this, meaning Ruppelt, which I noticed during the research and I intend on doing a longer post about it. Now I'll simply say that Ruppelt wasn't the non-biased guy we thought he was... that speech and a couple of other things suggest that he was actually pretty much anti-saucer.<br /><br />Zak -<br /><br />Because he wasn't encouraging that research until after his contract had been cancelled or allowed to expire... besides, Hynek was a civilian who complained that the really good cases went somewhere else, a place to which Hynek had no access.<br /><br />Brian -<br /><br />The point isn't what Exon believed but that he didn't have access to the real stuff and was not part of the intelligence function at Wright Field. What we learned from him was basically second hand except for his claim to have flown over two sites.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-16629609502418310822016-06-24T05:41:08.632-07:002016-06-24T05:41:08.632-07:00If that´s the definitive word on crashed saucers, ...If that´s the definitive word on crashed saucers, the question arises why the former scientific Adivisor of Project Blue Book was encouringing Len Stringfield to persue his research on Crash Retrieval . Having witnessed the "Behind the flying saucer affair" and working with project BB in the past, Hynek should have warned Strengfield to continue his work, at least at that point Stringfield was receiving death threats. He should have known, that there is nothing behind this stories.<br /><br />Instead of that, he was telling Stringfield that he is on the right track.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869512804072910852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-31041446331695220042016-06-23T20:37:45.168-07:002016-06-23T20:37:45.168-07:00Brian Bell asked:
"So if Roswell wasn't ...Brian Bell asked:<br /><br />"So if Roswell wasn't a crashed saucer, what was it?"<br /><br />It was a super secret prototype based on nazi saucer/stealth/flying-wing technology, of course with deformed and burned japenese children inside, which also suffered from Progeria and also were subjected to genetic mutations and nuclear radiation doses as a part of an horrible experiment to test what was the effect of high altitude of atomic energy on mutated humans. Unfortunately, this prototype crashed with a Mogul balloon filled with test dummies. What else could it be Brian, for god's sake???Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-66153787049932551452016-06-23T20:20:38.506-07:002016-06-23T20:20:38.506-07:00Kevin, this frankly is not conclusive. I think Rup...Kevin, this frankly is not conclusive. I think Ruppelt was merely stating the purpose and goals of the USAF's Blue Book team, which basically was that there is not evidence to UFOs, or that UFOs were not a threat to National Security. We now that UFOs that were considered to be a threat to national security were handled by a channel different than Blue Book, as stated by general Carroll Bolender. So it is completely UNsurprising to see Ruppelt saying that UFOs were not a threat to national security and related ideas. He was Blue Book. What do you frankly expect him to say? Ruppelt might have been an honest person, but he was probably a puppet.<br /><br />We now that UFOs were considered to be Top Secret thanks to a realeased FBI document and thanks to Smith's canadian memo, therefore the "Top Secret" versus "Just Secret" argument is still fully valid, and it is 100% consistend with what Carroll Bolender said about blue book, and cannot be wiped out with the subjective idea that it is "lame". It is not.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-2812296914890779082016-06-23T16:09:34.660-07:002016-06-23T16:09:34.660-07:00BB asked...
"So if Roswell wasn't a cras...BB asked...<br /><br />"So if Roswell wasn't a crashed saucer, what was it?"<br /><br />That's what I would like to know as well Brian.Nitramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658903255370299035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-18512161592845837022016-06-23T14:05:20.666-07:002016-06-23T14:05:20.666-07:00Isn't it possible that Exon believed a story h...Isn't it possible that Exon believed a story he heard from trusted fellow officers, but in the end all of them simply (and incorrectly) concluded the stories of crashed saucers (Roswell in particular) were true, when in fact it (they) never was?<br /><br />Solid people can fall prey to these stories especially when they float through an organization of connected men who trust one another.<br /><br />And if Ruppelt was close enough to the men who would have known and also directly involved, he sure didn't seem to have any inclination that a saucer was recovered - not even a hint. One would think he might have had some inclination it was true even if not authorized to know for certain.<br /><br />And here we have him making very honest commentary stating very clearly no such thing ever happened as far as he knew from his assignment with Blue Book.<br /><br />So if Roswell wasn't a crashed saucer, what was it?<br />Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.com