tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post8995926714104176221..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: UFOs and Edward SnowdenKRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-77816738485149992762019-11-23T06:42:59.118-08:002019-11-23T06:42:59.118-08:00“ When opening the doors of perception, one invite...“ When opening the doors of perception, one invites, the messengers of deception. ”<br /><br />That’s a very accurate quote. Not certain whom or what you’re referencing, but from a paranormal perspective there’s much truth in the fact that if you attempt to make contact with “them” whatever they may be, you’ll typically find “them” more than willing to engage and typically by means of total deception. As many of the world’s religious texts have conveyed, there are unseen forces at play more than willing to engage when invited and their aim, as we are told, is universally to deceive.Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57460759491421954792019-11-06T18:32:08.118-08:002019-11-06T18:32:08.118-08:00Having seen that particular Joe Rogan episode with...Having seen that particular Joe Rogan episode with Edward Snowden I thought that someone<br />could be using him to make the "nothing to see here" claim. The best UFO claim that I wish<br />would be looked into further is that of USAF 1LT Jacobs who's team filmed an Atlas missile<br />test firing and unbeknownst to him had picked up a flying disk shooting a shaft of light at<br />the missile. His CO was a MAJ Mansmann who claims 2 (CIA?) men took the film and the two<br />AF officers were told never to talk about it. I have seen copies of some personnel files<br />of each...MAJ Mansmann even headed an Intelligence Library at one point. Both officers<br />believed the flying disk to be extraterrestrial. The incident likely took place in 1964,<br />and was separately reported as having been filmed at Port Aguillo as reported in a book<br />that said a film of the incident was recorded there. As it turns out, an OER for LT Jacobs<br />mentions that he set up a filming site at Port Aguillo. (He may not even know about the<br />mention of the incident having been published in a book in the 60's.) I have no doubts<br />such incidents occur and are classified, especially if they are suspected as being related<br />to Aliens...and involving their interest in our nuclear weapons. couldbebetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895752844899216415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-63037319925606125672019-11-06T15:54:32.870-08:002019-11-06T15:54:32.870-08:00"But in 20 years of following this stuff, the..."But in 20 years of following this stuff, the only sure thing that is reliable in this field is that the only thing we have are people making claims, usually with questionable backgrounds."<br /><br />When opening the doors of perception, one invites, the messengers of deception. <br />Adam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11934830683869908953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-57708031564028438392019-11-06T05:53:42.326-08:002019-11-06T05:53:42.326-08:00Regarding Dean's claims, those who have alread...Regarding Dean's claims, those who have already commented saying that Kevin's criticism of his story of how he was shown the alleged Assessment does not convince them that Dean was lying or that the story was false. Perhaps you should read one of Kevin's old articles detailing the in-depth investigation into Dean's claims, where he submitted two false documents to try and back his story up. <br /><br />https://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2005/11/exopolitics.html<br /><br />Dean was a very engaging and likeable guy. Like many in the field, his story and claims began to change and grow as time went on, much like his friend Clifford Stone, who first showed up on the scene as quite a useful document researcher, but within a few years was claiming to have been involved with almost every UFO crash case on record, and became such close friends with the Aliens that he can't do an interview without starting to cry over their plight at the hands of the human race. It's ridiculous. <br /><br />Everyone loves a good story, and I would love these things to be true. I believe there is a highly unusual source behind the UFO Phenomena, having seen one myself up close and in broad daylight. But in 20 years of following this stuff, the only sure thing that is reliable in this field is that the only thing we have are people making claims, usually with questionable backgrounds. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900094618337307878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-50047715583401447782019-11-05T06:39:17.271-08:002019-11-05T06:39:17.271-08:00Not to beat a dead horse but it is not the same si...Not to beat a dead horse but it is not the same situation. He didn't dip into the vault, remove a highly classified document and drop it on the desk of an NCO, telling him to read this. It'll keep you awake. This scenario is ridiculous on the face of it... and no, I don't need more examples. McGeorge Bundy revealed a classified code name when a photographer took a picture of him while he was holding an inappropriately covered classified document.<br /><br />And no, I do not believe Dean's story.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-17961937749716072262019-11-05T02:02:16.136-08:002019-11-05T02:02:16.136-08:00Not to beat a dead horse, but even the President&#...Not to beat a dead horse, but even the President's National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, a retired Army General, inappropriately shared classified information.<br />https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-national-security-adviser-shared-secrets-without-permission-files-show/2016/12/13/72669740-c146-11e6-9578-0054287507db_story.html<br /><br /> So the revealing of classified information does happen. We don't know whether the officer in Dean's case specifically went into a vault to retrieve the document for Dean to see or whether the officer already had the document out for a legitimate purpose and casually (but inappropriately, if this event actually happened), say to someone he knew and who also had a top secret cosmic clearance, "hey take a look at this before I return it into the vault." I think this is possible.Louis Nicholsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504089634070585120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-84326880633221067312019-11-04T19:57:08.656-08:002019-11-04T19:57:08.656-08:00Louis -
I do not believe Dean's tale for a va...Louis -<br /><br />I do not believe Dean's tale for a variety of reasons, including the nonsense about how he saw The Assessment. And I will insist that a high ranking Air Force officer would remove a document from the vault in an attempt to keep a sleepy Army NCO awake. Violations of security regulations do happen, but this one just isn't in the cards. Had he happened to see it on someone's desk, had he been in the vault and looked at it there, fine... but to have someone give it to him as if it was common reading material simply does not fly.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-36774912887172699042019-11-04T13:16:34.518-08:002019-11-04T13:16:34.518-08:00I do not automatically dismiss Robert Dean's c...I do not automatically dismiss Robert Dean's claim because "no officer is going to provide anyone a top-secret document without being assured he was cleared to see it etc." Military officers are human and as such, there is always a possibility that some of them may deviate from the rules and/or law. I held a top secret security clearance when I worked for the U.S. Department of Justice many moons ago. Everyone in my office held such a clearance but not all of them adhered to the strict rules and laws involving classified information.<br /><br /> This is not to say that I believe Robert Dean's claim, I am neutral on the subject, but I just hate it when people say certain things did not happen because "no [insert someone's title] would ever do such or such." That's like saying no police officer, lawyer, judge or politician would ever do something illegal or unethical, and I, during my many years as a lawyer, have personally seen many, many instances of such conduct by several such persons. All people do not do what they are supposed to do. I heard a person who is very closely associated with your radio show (a former police officer) say that he did not believe in Roswell only because Jesse Marcel broke the chain of custody when he took the debris to his home and showed it to his family. While that may have been unprofessional on Marcel's part, that doesn't mean Roswell didn't happen. Many, many criminal cases are lost in court every day because a police officer involved did something, either intentionally or mistakenly, in violation of the defendant's legal rights, but that does not automatically mean the defendant was innocent of the charges. <br /><br /> I have no doubt that you, Kevin, never broke any rules concerning the handling of classified material, but lets get real, its highly doubtful that every single military officer that has ever lived has adhered to all the rules like you. The mere fact that you would not have given Dean the classified material does not mean this other officer did not do so therefore making Dean a liar. There may be other reasons why Dean's claim is not legit, but that one is wholly insufficient in my view.Louis Nicholsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504089634070585120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-8161714328409396702019-11-04T06:29:43.194-08:002019-11-04T06:29:43.194-08:00Kevin -
"It is not outside the realm of poss...Kevin -<br /><br />"It is not outside the realm of possibility that the UFO material was contained in databases and computer networks that were beyond Snowden’s capability to access. He found nothing because he couldn’t find the right network to compromise."<br /><br /><br />That's exactly the reason why the infosec uses compartmentalization systems such as [1]"Sensitive Compartmented Information" (SCI) & "Special Access Program" (SAP) although one of snoweden's leaks revealed that NSA still uses the UMBRA Classification for highly sensitive intercepts, you know, the same one as the blacked-out NSA Top Secret UMBRA UFO documents from 1980. <br /><br />[1] https://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-us-classification-system.htmlUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18277643612639604293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-88564473033452755082019-11-03T15:52:43.476-08:002019-11-03T15:52:43.476-08:00Kevin:
-> I’m reminded of Robert Dean’s claim ...Kevin:<br /><br />-> I’m reminded of Robert Dean’s claim to have seen a top secret cosmic document that he said contained information about a UFO crash retrieval in Europe. He said that he had been in the command post, or somewhere, on night duty. He was having trouble staying awake when an Air Force officer dropped The Assessment on his desk, telling him that it should keep him awake. The Assessment outlined the retrieval operation.<br />This story is bunk because no officer is going to provide anyone a top-secret document without being assured that he was cleared to see it and that he had a need to know what it contained. Highly classified material just isn’t passed round like that. It has to be signed out and then signed back in. Records are kept.<-<br /><br />*<br /><br />This is correct of Robert Dean’s claim, I've heard his claim, and a dam good speaker I might add. But didn't Robert Dean say, he had "TOP Cosmic Clearance" Thus, the Assessment must have been signed out, and then signed back in!? One would think!?....?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599301355826577476noreply@blogger.com