tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post9074782192165834244..comments2024-03-19T11:13:40.642-07:00Comments on A Different Perspective: Kingman UFO Crash... Really?KRandlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-35451770997470720972024-01-08T22:39:19.680-08:002024-01-08T22:39:19.680-08:00Does anyone witness the scene ? or anyone has info...Does anyone witness the scene ? or anyone has information about it? Then please mail me on @vishalkashyap120@gmail.comHadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174462222675561678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-48499990387065323812019-01-07T20:40:24.762-08:002019-01-07T20:40:24.762-08:00I have heard from multiple sources including the K...I have heard from multiple sources including the KD Miner that there was a crash in the Sacremento Wash on Highway 68 looking toward Topock from the bridge south on Milky Way road to wash. KD Miner has an article that says the craft might be in the sand pit. Do not enter the sand pit it is Private Land a mining company called Earth Troops Corp.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245248833746570719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-6937419772498865042019-01-07T20:37:38.415-08:002019-01-07T20:37:38.415-08:00I have heard from multiple sources including the K...I have heard from multiple sources including the KD Miner that there was a crash in the Sacremento Wash on Highway 68 looking towatd Topock from the bridge south on Milky Way road to <br />wash. KD Miner has an article that says the craft might be in the sand pit. Do not enter the sand pit it is Private Land a mining company called Earth Troops Corp.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245248833746570719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-83152690024435773302017-05-29T11:45:12.177-07:002017-05-29T11:45:12.177-07:00Thanks for the info Mr. Randle. (And happy Memoria...Thanks for the info Mr. Randle. (And happy Memorial Day to you.) I was always intrigued by it because Mr. Werner/Weaver/Stansel sounded like he could have been a engineer. Indeed, Ray Fowler claimed in the ISO episode I mentioned above that he checked into his background and claimed he found that the man was “reputable” and a “very efficient engineer manager”. But as you pointed out......there are problems with this story.09rjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354154308391968845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-69927317326035975342017-05-20T14:58:13.912-07:002017-05-20T14:58:13.912-07:00Actually, the story was found by two boys who firs...Actually, the story was found by two boys who first interviewed "Weaver" whose real name was Arthur Stansel. Stansel said that he tended to tell tale tales when he had been drinking and before the boys arrived for the interview, he'd had a couple. He offered no documentation other than a rather vague calendar entry. His story has some internal inconsistencies and there is no independent verification for it. You've pointed some of them out yourself. The one possible other eyewitness was given to us by Judie Wolcott but it seems she made up lots of stories and nothing she said turned out to be true.<br /><br />This tale is a hoax.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-87373027896754565132017-05-20T09:57:55.842-07:002017-05-20T09:57:55.842-07:00I was always fascinated by this one ever since I f...I was always fascinated by this one ever since I first heard of it on the old series [hosted by Leonard Nimoy] 'In Search of...'. (I was re-watching the episode the other day.)<br /><br />In the episode, (entitled 'UFO Coverups'; which is also notable for being one the first to talk about the so-called Roswell Incident), the testimony of "Fritz" is presented. He said he was a engineer with the government/Air Force on the blast effects of atom bombs. One day he was asked to report for a special assignment (with others) and they were driven (on a bus with the windows covered) out to where they guessed was Kingman, Arizona. Once there, they were asked to look at a apparent crashed flying saucer. They were not told who/what made it and he said the people there told him the only questions they would answer would be about dynamic loads. Fritz told Ray Fowler (a UFO investigator who discovered the Fritz story) another time that his task was to determine the velocity that the object struck the ground at. Along those lines Fritz said that [in the ISO episode]: "Interestingly enough, one of the questions I needed to know was what the mass of the vehicle was. I could tell a lot of things from the penetration into the desert sand and so forth but I needed to know the mass." (They refused to tell him its mass and he speculated that they did not know themselves.) He also said there was a tent that he didn't look into but somebody he talked to did and the guy said he saw 2 "alien" looking bodies. <br /><br />My thoughts on the story: It's interesting, but as a engineer myself, a few things always jumped out at me. First off, how could he figure the velocities the object hit the ground at (even if he knew that mass)? I'm fairly knowledgeable on soil dynamics and impact loading (as a structural engineer), and I am aware of no reference (especially one that was out in 1953) that lets you figure that for an arbitrarily shaped object (like a saucer shape) and especially since it went in at a angle. Almost all the references/tests I am aware of came decades later and were for simply shaped objects (like squares, rectangles, etc). He could tell something by its penetration into the sand? What exactly? What data did he have on the soil (i.e. density, SPT data, etc.)? <br /><br />The people who told him that the only answers he would get would be on dynamic loads.....were they military personnel? Did they indicate they were the ones who could answer that? How could a army NCO (or even an officer) answer questions on that topic? They couldn't ask each other (i.e. those that came in on the bus) because according to Fritz, they were told not to talk to each other. <br /><br />On the alien looking bodies deal: in the ISO episode he said he didn't look into the tent, but that someone he talked to did. But in a statement to Ray Fowler he said he *did* look into the tent and saw a single body. So I'm not sure what the deal is. Granted memories can change with time, but this is quite a discrepancy. <br /><br />His background makes it plausible he would be asked to take part in this project.......but blast loading and air crash investigations are different animals. One would think the crash of the century would have a person of that background looking at it. (Of course, then again, it may have been just a experimental gov. craft.) <br /><br />So all in all......a interesting story but it's just a story unless 'Fritz" could be questioned further.09rjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354154308391968845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-10447454144977999822015-06-17T16:08:39.077-07:002015-06-17T16:08:39.077-07:00Has anyone ever followed up with the rancher/famil...Has anyone ever followed up with the rancher/family who owned the land where Foo Tank is located? Was the name "Foo Tank" just a joke and when did it acquire that name? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522973464275599467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-14606324906111124482013-05-03T05:26:11.453-07:002013-05-03T05:26:11.453-07:00Always like to hear both sides. What do you think ...Always like to hear both sides. What do you think about Harry Drew's work www.thekingmanufocrashes.com that seems to have some good "evidence" with the actual site being found near Kingman and a bit more in depth about what might have happened.<br /><br />Appreciate you thoughts.Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786620537130315420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-7773451323583839732012-11-21T12:22:57.497-08:002012-11-21T12:22:57.497-08:00There was a crash in Kingman I live here. My gran...There was a crash in Kingman I live here. My grandparents, lived here and were witnesses to the incdent, something huge happened here that frightened the entire town into silence, which is why my grandparents only spoke of it on their death bed Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18003216189550278971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3734280976481386442011-05-17T14:21:46.808-07:002011-05-17T14:21:46.808-07:00"Stories of alien bodies at WP have been arou..."Stories of alien bodies at WP have been around for years."<br /><br />Here are two from 1954 and 1955.<br /><br />http://www.roswellproof.com/Post-1947-Roswell-references.html#anchor_48<br /><br />The first is from pilot William Nash, of the well-known 1952 Nash-Fortenberry airline sighting near Washington D.C.<br /><br /> "WASHINGTON, March 23 (AP)--A spokesman today termed without basis as assertion that the Air Force has recovered hunks of 'flying saucers' and just isn't telling the public about them... <br /> <br /> "Bill Nash, a Pan American World Airways pilot, told the Greater Miami Aviation association recently he was convinced that 'the air force has collected hardware from outer space. I do not believe the air force cares to make all its findings public so long as the United States is threatened by unfriendly powers,' Nash said."<br /><br />From 1965, Nash was quoted saying, referencing an intelligence debriefing he received immediately after his sighting:<br /><br />"Before the interview, Fortenberry and I had agreed to ask the Intelligence men if there was any truth behind the rumor that the Air Force had one or more saucers at Wright-Patterson Field. Bill remembered to ask, and on of the investigators said 'Yes, it is true!' Later, when we were all in one room following separate de-briefings, I remembered to ask the question. All the investigators opened their mouth at the same time to answer, but Major Sharp, who was in command, broke in with a quick 'NO!' It appeared as if he was telling the others to shut up..." <br /><br />The next item after this is the 1955 Flyng Saucer review article interviewing Hughie Green speaking about his memories of the Roswell incident. This was followed by the FSR commenting:<br /><br />"This is not the first time the story has been heard. But it is the first time someone who actually listened in to the transmissions has been interviewed. The question arising from Hughie Green’s account is: ‘Do the Americans have a Flying Saucer in their possession?’ Reports from America suggest that the U.S.A.F. has more than one. One, or parts of one, at Wright Patterson Field… and another at Edwards Air Force Base… Flying Saucer enthusiasts all over the world believe there is some truth in the story but that it is being as carefully guarded as any atomic or military secret for fear of causing public panic."David Rudiakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213284910238852377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-11251452408476556382011-05-17T09:23:30.912-07:002011-05-17T09:23:30.912-07:00Starman -
Yes, I thought there was some corrobora...Starman -<br /><br />Yes, I thought there was some corroboration to it because I had the Julie Wolcott story. But that has evaporated as I received newer and better information... <br /><br />I believed that June Kaba might also provide some corroboration, but that too has vanished.<br /><br />At this point, there is no longer any corroboration... Stansel admitted he told stories when he drank, there are no newspaper reports to suggest UFO sightings in the right time fame.<br /><br />Everything adds up to zero. Kingman was once interesting, but the results of the investigations and research led nowhere.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-90093571593405009422011-05-17T06:16:52.259-07:002011-05-17T06:16:52.259-07:00"Stories of alien bodies at WP have been arou..."Stories of alien bodies at WP have been around for years."<br /><br />Yes of course, but one email from you, dated December 29, 2007, included:<br /><br />"..the Kingman event is interesting because there seems to be some corroboration for it." I recall you mentioned delivery of bodies in dry ice at WP around the same time.starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-35751335068509353572011-05-16T12:23:14.032-07:002011-05-16T12:23:14.032-07:00Gentlemen -
Thank you for those of you who have l...Gentlemen -<br /><br />Thank you for those of you who have lived, or live, in Kingman for your take on this. Interesting.<br /><br />Starman -<br /><br />There is absolutely no evidence about this case... The major witness, Stansel, told investigators that he embellished his stories when he had been drinking.<br /><br />Now you attempt to move it toward Phoenix, but without something concrete, I see no reason to go there. Stories of alien bodies at WP have been around for years... Remember Hangar 18?<br /><br />This case should be no more than a footnote, joining Del Rio, Aztec, Paradise Valley and a host of others.KRandlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333125414889883920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-64968837248888032922011-05-15T19:17:38.294-07:002011-05-15T19:17:38.294-07:00I too have interviewed some of the old timers in K...I too have interviewed some of the old timers in Kingman and no one remembers anything about a crash be it UFO or aircraft. Two miners were murdered, however, on 5/19/53 and it makes interesting speculation, but I am convinced there was no crash. I did interview one old fellow, however, who seemed to remember something about June of 53 ... his knuckles turned white and he refused to say too much about it. But he saw something. I have no clue what.Johnnyseanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215902829134161335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-69408249227603815192011-05-15T10:16:58.565-07:002011-05-15T10:16:58.565-07:00There have been suggestions the crash occurred not...There have been suggestions the crash occurred not near Kingman but at Luke AFB. Also, "Kingman" was possibly linked to a report of alien bodies being delivered to WP.starmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09884942748644499035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11558306.post-3779669933177065942011-05-13T10:00:15.930-07:002011-05-13T10:00:15.930-07:00I was the Kingman City Attorney back in the early ...I was the Kingman City Attorney back in the early 1990's and had access to many old-timers. I made many inquiries about the supposed Kingman crash and came up absolutely empty - zilch.lance.payettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10374825442941756726noreply@blogger.com