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| Monte Shriver |
Although
I have always thought that the evidence for a UFO crash near Aztec, New Mexico,
in 1948, was probably false, this tale keeps popping up as if it is something
real. I reached out to a former Aztec resident, a man who was in high school in
Aztec in 1948, and who has spent the last several years investigating the case,
Monte Shriver. (Interestingly, it was Scott Ramsey who rather nastily told me
to invite Shriver on the show.) Shriver knew the people in Aztec who were
supposedly aware of this crash and who, using the historical records and
documentation available has provided a different perspective on the case. You
can listen to the interview here:
(I
have learned that if you go to YouTube and type in “A Different Perspective,”
you’ll find all the programs there so that you can sort through the ones you
wish to hear if this long link doesn’t take you to the right place.)
Our
discussion sometimes moved into the minutia of the situation giving the
impression of vital errors and while that might suggest trouble with the
overall tale, I also thought it could be the sort of mistake that someone who
hadn’t lived in the area would make. Aztec resident Shriver knew all the roads,
rivers and ravines, but those outsiders investigating might just confuse one
river for another proving only that sometimes the trivia is hard to keep
straight. These were some of the things that Shriver pointed out, though I
wasn’t overly impressed with what I think of as minor problems.
But
there were, and are, other much larger problems with the tale. One of the alleged
eyewitnesses claimed to have been working for the El Paso Natural Gas company
in 1948 which was the reason he saw the crash but the records seem to indicate
that the company didn’t arrive until a year or two later. And a photograph of
“drip tanks” that were close to some kind of fire in 1948 that brought in other
witnesses hadn’t been built until years later. If you want to follow up on
this, you can read about all these things in Shriver’s own words here:
There
are many problems with the Aztec UFO crash case, not the least of which is the
lack of any sort of documentation from 1948. There are no newspaper articles,
no military records and by the time you reach some of the FBI statements that
have been available for years, you realize those are based on the book, Behind the Flying Saucers and not on
evidence derived from the field.
Next
week’s guest: Nick Redfern
Topic:
His theory of what fell at Roswell.
Kevin:
ReplyDeleteScully's book was my first High School oral report. I found it authoritative-sounding then and still, although it is just a masterly work of fiction (science fiction?).
Ramsey and Frank Warren have flogged this dead horse for years, and one can understand why: it reeks of authenticity, even now, after we all know it's a canard.
I still love the book and the tale, even if it is phony.
RR
Kevin, you're forgetting about the "time compression" factor that was present back then, that allowed things from the future to insert themselves into past investigations.
ReplyDeleteWhen we visited the "crash site" there was a nice mountain bike trail (the alien run), a geocache, a plaque, and of course the piece of concrete. I see a lot of concrete in strange places when I hike around, so that did not surprise me, especially in that area. In the end, that left the plaque. As Shriver indicates, it is not enough - although it is well worth the visit if you are in the area (I provided directions: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/24971).
ReplyDeleteI have listened to other interviews that uncritically accept all that Ramsey alleges, but that is more interesting in what it says about ufology than about the accuracy of the claims. I am glad Shriver was given a voice here.
Armed with William Steinman's book, I spent three days in Aztec in the summer of 1987. (I donated my copy of Steinman's book to the local library before I left.) Granted, three days is scarcely an in-depth investigation, but I am a lawyer and brought along a paralegal and we were able to quickly locate the crash site as identified by Steinman and to speak, in person or by phone, with a number of old-timers, including ranchers who seemingly would be likely to have heard about this sort of thing. We came up empty. The most interesting interviewee was a very elderly woman who was still sharp and whose husband had been a government engineer of some sort. She described a fairly startling incident with a craft that sat up on a ridge for a considerable period of time, but this was clearly a good 10-15 years after the supposed crash.
ReplyDeleteHas Scott Ramsey or Stanton Friedman responded to Shriver's comments anywhere that you know of? It would be so refreshing if they would get together with Shriver, go over all the facts objectively and if warranted, admit their initial positions about this case were wrong. There is no shame in that. That is one thing in my mind which makes you such a highly credible UFO investigator. You have a strong quest for the absolute truth whether or not it differs from what you previously believed. Your latest book, Roswell in the 21st Century, is a testament to that.
ReplyDeleteTo Louis Nicholson: Of course the problem with revising one's initial position can also stem from the revision itself, when in fact one's assessment was correct in the first instance.
ReplyDeleteJohn Steiger:
ReplyDeleteI agree. That is why I said in this case that Ramsey and Friedman (who wrote the preface in
Ramsey's book) should get together with Shriver, go over all the facts and IF WARRANTED, admit their initial positions were wrong.
All -
ReplyDeleteShriver and Ramsey have been in communication. Ramsey said he was going to address some of the criticisms in his latest book, but did not. The questions went unanswered. I'm not sure if Friedman is fully conversant in the Aztec case, but Ramsey certainly is. I offered him an opportunity to appear on the program but in a rather snarky response, he declined. In his favor, at least I received the courtesy of a reply... there are others who have ignored the invitation.
Despite being just another legend, one has to admit it would make a pretty good big screen sci-fi movie if properly scripted and acted.....even better than Roswell.
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