Tucker
Carlson might be a wiz at political commentary (or he might not be depending on
your point of view) but when it comes to UFOs, he knows nothing. He
demonstrated that again just last night, November 13. He was discussing the
report of a UFO by a couple of airline crews and played the tape of the
discussion with air traffic control. He then brought on someone else who knows
nothing about UFOs to discuss the case.
First,
let me say that Carlson and his pal didn’t make fun of the sighting. In fact,
Carlson suggested that we needed to listen to what the pilots said because they
were, well, trained observers. While we can argue that point if we’re so inclined,
I will say that a pilot who has flown all over the place at night should be
more familiar with what is in the sky and what those things look like. This
just means that they are probably more familiar with the sky than the average citizen
who sits around inside watching television rather than being outside, or
looking outside, into the night.
As
they, Carlson and his pal, wrapped up the short segment, they both commented on
the unidentified astronomer who thought what the pilots had seen was merely
space dust, meaning, of course, a meteor. Carlson mentioned that he didn’t know
of any pilots who had misidentified meteors, which, of course, was another proof
that he knew nothing about the topic… but as a pundit on TV, he can comment on
all sorts of matters of which he knows nothing.
So,
let’s break this down.
The
sighting sounds, suspiciously like a bolide, which is nothing more than a very
bright meteor. CNN reported, that one pilot said, “"It came up on our left hand side
(rapidly veered) to
the north, we saw a bright light and it just disappeared at a very high speed
... we were just wondering. We didn't think it was a likely collision course ...
(just wondering) what it could be.”
Daylight bolide over the Grand Tetons, 1960s. |
Another pilot who saw the object (and even if it
was a meteor it would be an object) said, “meteor or some kind of object
re-entry appears to be multiple objects following the same sort of
trajectory... very bright where we were."
An aviation expert said that he thought the
sighting was of a meteor.
And while that was my first thought as well, we
get back to Carlson saying that he didn’t know of other sightings of meteors
that had fooled people, or rather pilots. I’m thinking that he hasn’t looked at
the Project Blue Book files, or the MUFON files, or read much of anything about
UFOs. While I know that some of my colleagues will object, I will point out
that I believe the July 1948 sightings by airline pilots, Clarence Chiles and John
Whitted, was of a meteor. If nothing else, this suggests that pilots, just like
others can be fooled by meteors.
I do think the astronomer was a little bit too
dismissive when he called it a sighting of space dust. True, most meteors are very
small but do glow brightly as they fall through the atmosphere. Most burn up
long before they reach the ground. A meteor the size of a softball will light
up the sky and often break up as they fall. Back in the day, as I was
delivering newspapers in Cheyenne, Wyoming, I saw a very beautiful, blue-green
meteor break into four pieces directly overhead, which is to say, miles and miles
above me… but I digress.
Some of these larger meteors, as they break up,
look just like a cigar-shaped craft with a lighted cockpit and a row of windows
behind it. This, I believe is what Chiles – Whitted saw back in the 1940s. I
mention this only to provide a perspective.
Anyway, it seems that what the pilots saw was a
meteor, probably a little larger than dust, maybe the size of a grain of sand,
or even a baseball, as it burned in the atmosphere. Such displays are rare, so
that pilots who routinely see meteors, have not seen anything quite as spectacular
as a bolide. When these are seen, newsrooms, sheriff’s offices and the military
receive calls about UFOs.
While I will applaud Carlson for his reporting, meaning
he didn’t use this to ridicule anyone one, he did display his ignorance. True,
he mentioned that many reporters don’t bother with such stories because they
don’t want to be ridiculed by their colleagues but he took it a step too far.
He suggested that this fear was why reporters never followed up on such
stories, implying that no one did. This is untrue. No matter what you say,
MUFON, among others, do follow up on these sorts of reports, often identifying
the true nature of the event.
For other views of this sighting see:
and many more can be found online for those who
wish to look.
Ian Ridpath sent the following link for those with a more visual nature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5csvJTNU4QA
Tim Printy offered more on the fireball explanation at:
https://www.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2018/4788
Ian Ridpath sent the following link for those with a more visual nature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5csvJTNU4QA
Tim Printy offered more on the fireball explanation at:
https://www.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2018/4788
Notice the headline "....in all probability were meteorites".
ReplyDeleteOh no they were NOT meteorites. This is just shoddy press headlines. Meteorites are the things you see and gather up ON THE GROUND. Meteor or fireball is the correct term, as you point out. There is no reason to suppose the object was anything else.
Carlson mentioned that he didn’t know of any pilots who had misidentified meteors, which, of course, was another proof that he knew nothing about the topic…
ReplyDeleteI certainly do not see why you would be critical regarding this? Of course he doesn't know about UFOs, what difference does it make? Only a true handful do and then I wonder if they *really* do or not. He didn't say 'no pilots have ever misidentified meteors', he said the he didn't 'know of any' and just how many pilots would a particular individual know?
However, I am delighted that he has sufficient interest in UFOs to bring the subject to light on his program. We all know that the mainstream media doesn't show the slightest interest in the subject and when they do they simply 'joke' about it. Carlson has on multiple occasions used his show to bring attention to the subject on a reasonably serious note. Of the handful of shows that I've seen (I missed this episode, however) he has always shown respect to the subject.
I'm sure that you will just say that you were simply pointing out that he doesn't know what he is talking about but the tone of this blog seems to be critical for no valid reason.
Take care
John
The national news media has reported seriously on alleged UFO sightings since the late 1940s. Not all UFO reporting has been snickering asides to the camera and to readers. The continued erroneous assertion that UFO reports aren't taken seriously by the media come from the uniformed or unscrupulous members of the UFO community (add Carlson as the newest member of the uninformed group).
ReplyDeleteSerious reporting on UFOs did NOT begin with the New York Times December 2017 article on AATIP, no matter what TTSA or others might assert. It began with Roswell in 1947, and it never ended.
It actually began with the Arnold case, shortly before Roswell. But there had also been serious UFO reporting with the ghost rockets over Sweden the previous summer (1946).
ReplyDeleteSorry, purrlgurrl, but no...
ReplyDeleteWhile we can find examples of the media treating the topic seriously, there are many examples of it using UFOs as a punchline. While I don't want to dive into this too deeply, let me point to:
Chicago Tribune, July 8, 1947 - "Flying Disks Pass Up Kansas! After All, It's a Dry State." The implication is, of course, that drunk see flying disks along with pink elephants and glowing snakes.
Daily Times Herald, Dallas July 7, 1947 - "'Saucers" Visit Texas, Leave No Calling Cards."
New York Times, July 8, 1947 - "'Disks' Soar Over New York, Now Seen Aloft in All Colors." Lead, "The 'flying saucer,' though still adept at eluding the most powerful telescopes in America, continued yesterday to flash in increasing numbers and variety before the goggling eyes of rooftop and roadside amateurs."
Finally...
Carlsbad Daily Current - July 10 (but is syndicated around the country) - Boyle Says He Found Answer To Flying Disc Mystery; He Rode One Piloted By Green Martian."
And, lest we forget -
Captain Ed Ruppelt said, that they used the more neutral term, "UFO" when engaged in serious conversation, but used "flying saucer," when ridicule seemed more the point as in "You don't believe in flying saucers do you?"
Kevin is absolutely correct...
ReplyDeleteThe news media, of which I have been a part for most of my life and still, has had hefty guffaws about flying saucers and UFOs with few exceptions as noted.
Today, it is a certainty that bringing up UFOs in media circles will bring glances indicating that the matter is pretty far-out.
Yes, some reportage has been sensible or rational, but overall, the topic has been grist for tongue-in-cheek news items, sadly.
But the problem isn't the news media. It's the loopy persons who have reported their experience hysterically or with detailed accounts that mimic derangement.
Take a look and listen to those advocating UFO-inspired material on some cable shows: they look and sound quite mad (foolish).
That hasn't helped and doesn't help the topic.
RR
Oh, Tucker Carlson is a wizz for sure.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but not all media reporting has been in that vein. Some has, but a lot hasn't.
ReplyDeleteWhen he was a major talking head at CNN, Miles O'Brien covered UFOs and never made light of them. In fact, when he was't renewed by CNN some claimed it was because of his advocacy of UFOs, but it was much more likely to make room for CNN's then highly-promoted, highly-paid new kid on the block, Anderson Cooper (a few other heads rolled prior to Cooper's coming on board as well).
I saw Tom Brokaw report the JAL UFO encounter as a straight-up, serious lead news story on the NBC Nightly News (no smirks or tongue in cheek remarks). The O'Hare UFO was seriously reported by the Chicago Tribune. The Hillsdale, Michigan sightings were treated very seriously by my local media outlets. The Phoenix Lights were seriously reported by every news outlet I saw that ran the story. So were the Stephensville, Texas sightings. These are just a few examples.
People in Ufology have a Rodney Dangerfield complex. They keep insisting they and UFOs don't get no respect. But when they do, they tend to not notice and focus instead on the slow news day, space-filler stories that are written with a high giggle factor.
Besides, not everything pertaining to UFOs has news value because Ufology is chock full of crackpots and bullshitters who richly deserve to get the eye-roll treatment. But not all UFO stories come from Ufology's lunatic fringe. The ones that don't are the ones that get serious treatment.
The news media have never written off wholesale the UFO topic because much of the general public keeps demonstrating it's interested in it, thus the recent UFOs over Ireland reporting. As long as people who aren't in the UFO community continue to pay attention to it, the topic will have legs.
purrlgurrl -
ReplyDeleteAs I said, I don't want to get into a deep dive on this... and I suspect that we'll just have to agree to disagree...
However, on a personal note... CUFOS arranged for us, Don Schmitt and me, to meet with editors and reporters at the Chicago Tribune. We arrived at the appointed time and were met in a hallway by an intern. The interview was conducted by the intern, in the hallway, because, as she said, the editors knew there was nothing to UFOs and didn't want to hear anything about them. A surprising attitude since they had agreed to the interview. If they thought so little of the topic and didn't want to dirty their reputations by listening to what we had to say, then why agree to the interview at all?
This is not the only personal exampled I can cite... and I can point to reported instances where both local and national news readers were making fun of those who said they had seen UFOs. One of my favorites was a reporter at the local level, who after interviewing witnesses who never once said a thing about aliens, spacecraft or flying saucers, but were talking of strange lights seen in the sky, interviewed a little girl, asking her if she believed in aliens...
And, you are correct about so many of those grabbing the spotlight in the world of the UFO such as Al Bielek and those other time traveling warriors fighting on Mars...
The subject attracted ridicule from the very start, when Arnold first used the phrase "flew like a saucer when you skipped it across water". It was a very unfortunate phrase, but it stuck. "Flying saucer" is still, after 70 years, a crazy nomenclature. 'UFO' is certainly better, but came too late and could never erase the damage to the subject caused by 'flying saucer'. I forget who was the journalist or reporter who first reported Arnold's sighting all those years ago. It was most definitely NOT used during the Scandinavian 'ghost rockets' wave the year before.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to hurt your ego but I think nick pope is much more informed regarding the subject of UFO's versus the author of this website, in fact the more I read the selected topics on this website(going on 4 years) the author has become more of a goofy skeptic, and an absolute basher of 98% all other authors regarding the subject that UFO's have visited this planet (including his nutty explanation that Phoenix lights were flares)
ReplyDeleteI used to enjoy going to this website but now it has become a self absorbed ego pounding, well I got news for you Nick Pope is the gold standard for UFO reporting
Well if Tucker wants to present UFO’s as a serious subject on FOX News, he’d best read some books, look at credible blogs (skeptic and nonskeptic), and spend more time digesting the history of this phenomenon. Otherwise he’s just making noise that no one will listen to. Of course it’s all about viewer count, ratings, and ad $$$ so does he really care after all? Doubt it.
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ReplyDeleteMy friend, Nick Pope, does a very good job. My philosophy is that I am interested where the evidence goes. If a sighting has a rational solution, I see no reason that we must keep using it as evidence of something alien... I see no reason to accept the wild tales told by those seeking the spotlight if they can offer no evidence they are telling the truth and their tales are absolutely impossible (and remember, according to one website and group associated with it, not only I, but my fellow soldiers were not in Iraq but on Mars... why would anyone believe this nonsense is beyond me).
If the evidence suggests that something it alien in nature or has no terrestrial explanation, then I'm on board. However, if it is not or does not, then by embracing it, we only clutter the landscape with invalid information, but weaken our own case. I'm searching for the truth and not validation of my belief structure. What you'll get here is the best information available at the time I wrote the article but if that information changes, in either direction, then I will report it as such.
BTW, one group of sightings of the Phoenix Lights was flares... but there more to it than just that single sighting.
Unknown sounds as if s/he is in that large section of the fandom that demands UFOs be about their belief, not about the evidence. It is a religious stance, not a scientific or investigative one.
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Watch his more recent reporting on it. Much more in depth. Actually acknowledged tonight (12/19/2019) that they can't be man made and are either ET or Extra-Dimensional. The bigger point here though, is this: A pundit, whose show ranks among the top 3-5 in ratings nationally, on a nightly basis, is talking about this subject. The World Govs would NEVER have allowed this until the last couple of years. This should make everybody much more happy than frustrated. Now, here's to hoping that other news will start picking it up and taking it seriously.
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