I seem to remember, back in June, upon the release of the UAP report that told us nothing really, that there would be a follow up in 90 days. That meant we should have heard something around September 25, but I don’t remember seeing anything about it. The date seems to have come and gone without any sort of follow up.
Instead, we are told that Arizona democrat and Iraq War veteran (oh, who isn’t?) Representative Ruben Gallego, had introduced and pushed legislation that would require a permanent office working under the Secretary of Defense to, I want to say, “investigate,” but what was really suggested was the “timely and consistent reporting,” of what we now call UAPs, but that are really flying saucers.
This seems to imply that the office to oversee this timely and consistent reporting will be housed in the Pentagon and will have its chain of command start with the Secretary of Defense. That seems to suggest that importance is being attached to the activity, but I note here that the 90-day update has not been seen.
Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining
I also think of this, as I have said a number of times, as Twining 2.0. Back in 1947, after all the hoopla of the summer, and the request that the Air Materiel Command review a list of sightings containing specific information, there was an order issued… or maybe something more in the line of a directive issued by Lieutenant General Nathan F. Twining, that, said, “It is recommended that:”
a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRD3, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of this data and a distilled report there after every 30 days as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.
That letter from Twining was dated September 23, 1947 or, in other words more than seven decades ago. And here we are, in 2021, doing the same thing. Let’s set up an office to seriously deal with these UAPs.
And how did that original idea work out… Well, there were factions inside the government that worked against it. Upon completion of an intelligence analysis of the data, known as the Estimate of the Situation, the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Hoyt S. Vandenberg, decided that the information wasn’t of sufficient substance to reach the conclusions it reached and nearly everyone involved with it was fired or sent to other tasks. The action made it clear… The Chief of Staff didn’t believe in flying saucers, therefore no one else would believe either.
In 1953, the CIA requested, and got, the best information collected by the Air Force project, deemed it inadequate and recommended that the project be stripped of its glorified status. The Robertson Panel, as it was called, suggested that a campaign be created to “educate” the public about the UFOs and remove the mystery from them. I’ll note here that there was no mention by Robertson, that UFOs required further investigation. The conclusions were obvious.
In the late 1960s, the Air Force finally convinced a university to make a “scientific” study of UFOs. Of course, documentation available to us today shows that the conclusions of this scientific study were drawn up prior to any investigation. It was decided, in 1969, that more research would provide nothing of value and that there was no threat to national security. Project Blue Book was closed and the Air Force ended its investigation of UFOs forever.
So, here we are today. Another leader, this time a civilian in the House of Representatives, is pushing for a serious investigation of UAPs. Gallego, said that there was a lack of focus in the intelligence communities or what he termed the national security apparatus, and he that no one, other than “curiosity seekers” who had an interest in the UFO, now UAP reports, was doing anything.
Apparently, this legislation was passed as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. They have 180 days to establish the office to gather all the data throughout the DoD.
The Secretary of the Air Force, Frank Kendall, said that he didn’t think the UAPs were a serious enough threat to demand his attention… Or, as Hoyt Vandenberg said seven decades ago, “Stop wasting my time…” Well, he didn’t actually say that. He just made it clear to all that he didn’t think of the flying saucers as a serious threat, even when presented with a document created by high-ranking members of the Air Force and their civilian counterparts that suggested otherwise.
On the other hand, Deputy Defense Secretary, Kathleen Hicks, ordered the various military branches and various civilian organizations under the DoD to formalize a mission provide a plan to gather the data... Formalize a plan, what a wonderful bureaucratic idea.
But here’s point that I don’t think was made. If the Secretary of the Air Force isn’t all that interested, and the directive comes from a civilian Deputy Defense Secretary, haven’t we already established a conflict? And, haven’t we seen all this in the past, several times. We know what the outcome is going to be, because we’ve seen that outcome in the past as well.
Apparently Gallego was unimpressed with all this. He said that he thought the government was not sharing all the information that it had about UFOs, I mean, UAPs. He wants to hold public hearings but that too, has been done. Nothing has come from that either.
What I’m saying here is that we’re walking down the same path once again and we’re going to expect a different result. It doesn’t matter what you say about it, how you claim that we have military pilots involved, we have instruments involved, we have multiple observers… We’ve had all that before, and in the end, the answer has always been that there is nothing to this. It’s no threat to national security. There are more important issues than something unidentified and that might by a natural phenomenon or a misidentification of something truly mundane. Let’s deal with the real challenges before we move into the realm of the exotic.
I say we need a good, unbiased investigation, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. It’s been tried for more than 70 years and there is always something to stop the truth. Why would this be any different?
I fell into the trap of believing that, just maybe, we were going to be given the first glimpses of disclosure. But it seems you had gotten it right from the beginning, Kevin, that this would be a 'Twining 2.0.'ReplyDelete
I suppose, if nothing else, for the first it has been admitted that the UAP's are real (ie...the footage is genuine, the radar is accurate and the eye witnesses aren't bonkers).
As for any meaningful disclosure of where the establishment actually think these objects come from, then it seems the can has been kicked down the road again.
"We don't need a weatherman" Disclosure will never take place. Why? Because the "Abduction" issue will never be resolved. Our government can never admit that we share the planet with somebody. (Invisible Residents) Two hundred unlucky folks go permanently missing every day, about 80.000 a year. And that's just in the USA. We are not being visited.
We are occupied. Ed
The outcome ( to date ) is what you predicted on this very blog back in the early to middle part of June
I say we need a good, unbiased investigation, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. It’s been tried for more than 70 years and there is always something to stop the truth. Why would this be any different?~Kevin RandleReplyDelete
What you have to ask yourself is this: if -after 70 years of countless numbers of (alleged) crashes, abductions, contact, and so on- there isn't one scrap of hard physical evidence to be found anywhere.....isn't it then quite apparent that the only way we will ever know is if they pop the hatch and introduce themselves? If we are indeed being visited....apparently they are quite good at covering their tracks (better than Bigfoot really....no pun intended).
Why? Because the "Abduction" issue will never be resolved. Our government can never admit that we share the planet with somebody. (Invisible Residents) Two hundred unlucky folks go permanently missing every day, about 80.000 a year. And that's just in the USA. We are not being visited.ReplyDelete
We are occupied.~Unknown
That's something I've thought about as well. I don't necessarily believe in abductions (I think the stories are problematic at best).....but that would be a pretty awkward first meeting.....considering what the aliens have supposedly done (according to these stories). I suppose the aliens could fall back on: "...that was another species.....those guys from Sirius are pretty nasty." :)
Did you happen to catch Robert Salas and a few other ex-Air Force missile personnel who provided testimony AGAIN this morning at the Washington Press Club.ReplyDelete
Press release from a week or so ago is here: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/former-usaf-officers-to-present-evidence-of-ufos-tampering-with-nuclear-weapons-301395385.html
Youtube video of this morning's testimony is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTf5-TNASoI
My father was a missile commander and he testified in 2010 and 2013 alongside of Capt. Salas and others....he passed away late last year otherwise I'm certain that he would have been there today. Robert Salas did play a short snipped of his prior testimony today, though.
But loiterer...Let's not forget that certain things can be covered up. I don't know if I have told you before but there are secrets going back to the Crimean war that are still secret.ReplyDelete
But loiterer...Let's not forget that certain things can be covered up. I don't know if I have told you before but there are secrets going back to the Crimean war that are still secret.~Paul YoungReplyDelete
Yes you say this just about every thread.....only problem is: you can't name anything that means anything. I gave you 5 [points of] criteria in another thread back in August. So far, I haven't heard anything that satisfies that challenge. You keep running with this circular logic that: there are big secrets being kept....because you think there are. Sorry, but that's not proof in the real world.
By the way, since you think this is being covered up...what avenue/angle of investigation would you suggest to bring the truth to light? Or are you just content to sit on your bar stool and tell yourself: "it's out there.....but the government is hiding it!"
Paul Young -ReplyDelete
Please stop with the Crimean War nonsense... Sometimes things are still classified because nobody care enough to declassify them.
Kevin! (and the Loiterer....)ReplyDelete
So what happened to the Cooper film?
If it's as good as what Cooper says it was then that's pretty good evidence.
Debunkers complain that footage is either p-poor or so good it has to be photoshopped!
What would professionally taken footage (taken in the pre-photoshopped world of the 1950's) of a flying saucer... approaching... hovering.... landing and taking off and zooming away, be categorised as.
My God, they said they had gotten to within 50 yards of it before it took off!!! Even that mate of yours, Sheaffer, would have a hard time keeping away the blushes trying to blame that on a flock of geese.
Kevin Randle... "Sometimes things are still classified because nobody care enough to declassify them.ReplyDelete
Are you having a laugh?
So you keep getting mithered to death by different generations of investigators, (Let's say, The Randle's and Friedman's of the historical war-crimes genre) for decades on end,..wouldn't the authorities just say, "you know what...DECLASSIFY THE FILES and give them the bloody things, just to get them off our back."...instead of forever taking the flack for keeping them hidden?
Personally, I don’t think the American people will see that entire UAP report.ReplyDelete
If I may go off-topic, I wanted to mention that I just finished reading “The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and The Passion of John Mack,” by New York Times reporter Ralph Blumenthal.
To say that Dr. John Mack led an intriguing life would be a great understatement. In addition to his work as a Harvard University doctor and professor of psychiatry, John Mack collaborated with such luminaries as the Daiai Lama, Danial Ellsberg, Laurance Rockefeller, Shirley MacLaine and the founders of the Easlen Institute.
After meeting with ufo researcher Budd Hopkins, Dr. Mack became heavily involved in the study of alleged alien abductions. Dr. Mack travelled to Africa to investigate the mass Ariel school CE-III sighting in Zimbabwe in 1994. Dr. Mack faced much criticism from some of his academic colleagues at Harvard University for publicly investigating accounts of ufo sightings and abductions. Yet, Dr. Mack never wavered in his determination to investigate the ufo phenomenon.
Tragically, Dr. Mack was hit and killed by a drunk driver as he crossed a street in London in 2004. I highly recommend this biography of Dr. John Mack, a man who brought gravitas to the study of ufos.
Olden... I'm glad you mentioned the Ariel School mass sighting of 1994. It's almost a replica of the Westall High School (Australia) in 1966. Not just the school children but some teachers saw these flying saucers (maybe as many as 3 saucers in total).ReplyDelete
The science teacher was threatened to never discuss it...but he recently, after 50 odd years, has talked and corroborates the story.
Another teacher had taken multiple snaps of the objects but had her camera confiscated the same day. She never got her camera back and never saw her own photos.
Like Cooper footage, these photos may well be compelling evidence of flying saucers in the "pre-photoshop" era.
As mentione previously...if the pictures are too good and the witness too credible...we ain't allowed to see em