Sunday, February 16, 2014

The Curse of Oak Island on History

(Blogger's Note: Please take a look at the follow up articles on this blog. Beginning in January 2015, look for The Curse of Oak Island - An Expanded History.)

History (formerly the History Channel where they once actually examined some history) just finished its run of documentaries titled The Curse of Oak Island. This is the Nova Scotia location where it is alleged that pirates… or Knights Templar ... or Roger Bacon ... or some unknown person or persons buried something of great value centuries ago.

For those who don’t know, sometime in the late 18th century, three teenage boys exploring Oak Island found a place where it seemed something might be buried. They dug down, found a layer of wooden planks, tore them out and dug some more finding additional layers of planks every ten feet or so. They never managed to dig deep enough to find out what was hidden there. They only had hand tools and physical strength to do it. Over the next 200 or so years, dozens have attempted to get to the bottom of what was termed the money pit. Somewhere around the 90 foot level, the pit began to fill with water, stopping the attempts to dig deeper. It was cleverly booby-trapped and has defied modern technology to recover the treasure.

The rising and falling level of the water in the pit seemed to be related to the tides and that led to the discovery of a tunnel system that fed the sea water into the money pit blocking attempts to dig lower. Under the beach sand in a cove, a layer of coconut fiber was found which seem to have been used to keep the sand from packing and to keep the booby trap viable. A similar tunnel was found on the other side of the island as well, meaning it was a complicated system of traps.

Various companies and consortiums have attempted to excavate the money pit over the years, some of them reaching down some 200 feet. Cameras have been lowered and video has been made. A few links of gold chain have been recovered, and even at today’s prices, it didn’t amount to much.

Six people have died during these operations and the legend has it that seven must die before the money pit will yield its treasure.

In the 1980s a corporation was formed to finally get to the treasure. They had some ten million dollars pledged for the operation, but the stock market collapse ended the attempt. From that point not much had been done, at least as far as I know.

The latest attempt, reported over a series of programs for History, wasn’t much more successful than all those other tries and certainly didn’t add much to our knowledge of the money pit. Rick and Marty Lagina, who managed to gain control over much of the island, were behind this latest attempt. They screwed around showing us the same scenes over and over, they put a camera down one of the drill holes and claimed they had found an ax, a box, and a body, though it was difficult to make those things out. And that was similar to something that had been done decades earlier.

They then went to one of the beaches that seems to be somewhat artificial and that has that layer of coconut fiber under the sand. When first discovered decades earlier, it had been dated to sometime before the money pit was discovered. Now there were new samples of the fiber that were tested using better equipment and methods. This time it was dated to sometime in the 13th or 14th century, which is interesting but not proof of much of anything. We already knew that it was old.

The Lagina Brothers talked to a fellow who using an original folio of Shakespeare and a link to a constellation which was then applied to Oak Island fit into the discovery of some apparently artificially places stones. It seemed to be a stretch to me. Going from the work of Shakespeare to a constellation then then onto some landmarks on the island was a few too many leaps of logic. I’m not sure what they were trying to prove and thought of this as oat meal… meaning that it was filler to expand the series one more episode. It was just too much of a stretch.

Anyway, one of the points of this guy’s heavenly system seemed to be hidden in a swamp and they decided that they needed to drain the swamp, something no one else had ever thought of, which, of course, didn’t surprise me. So away they went, draining the swamp but having to comply with environmental regulations about how it could be done. They never did manage to completely drain it, but they did seem to remove quite a bit of water leaving a muddy quagmire that they seemed only too happy to muck about in (yes, I used that term on purpose).

They spent time using metal detectors and then diving into the mud. They spent a lot of time pulling vegetation out of the mud, found some flat stones, and then a copper coin. They were able to learn that it was an old Spanish coin which, when all is said and done, this was their big discovery. One Spanish coin that was neither gold nor silver but copper which is something, I suppose.

In the end, they found nothing that wasn’t already known. They didn’t add to our knowledge of what might be hidden on Oak Island, though I am becoming convinced that there is nothing there to be found. Maybe there was once, but whoever buried probably retrieved it.

But, what the heck, it’s the money of History and the Lagina brothers and if they want to spend their money on this quest, then more power to them. I wish them well, I hope to learn what they find if anything, and wonder if they’ll be back for a new season. If not, it’ll be just one more on-going mystery that isn’t all that important.

90 comments:

Woody said...

An interesting mystery that I first read about in an 'unsolved mysteries' type of book as a child. Years ago during the quieter hours on switchboard I read a more detailed, critical examination of the history, the story that started it all and the excavation attempts since then.
I heard that after all of the digging and the mess of equipment left in the area, that there is now doubt as to the actual location of the original pit itself.

Rick Hall said...

Already announced via Facebook that the show will be getting a 2nd season. 2.95 million viewers for the season finale, not bad huh??

By the way I enjoy your blog but the way you minimized everything in your review of the show with such little excitement, sorta remind me of what can also be said about most UFO shows and specials these days too. Same old repeated material with nothing much new found.
Just saying.....

I enjoy the show and will look forward to the new season.

PictonGuy said...

Nothing on these shows should be considered as real. I do not believe that the coin was in that swamp any longer than a few minutes.

KRandle said...

PictonGuy -

I had the same thought about that, but also thought that if they were going to plant something, it would have been gold or silver. A copper coin just isn't that exciting... and a single coin doesn't really do much. It could have been dropped about any time and it could have been something planted by someone else long ago but has nothing to do with a buried treasure.

scorpion 23 said...

When is new episode airing??

scorpion 23 said...

I like the show but whsn are they going down the original shaft already !!! Jeeez

rel48 said...

I felt like I had wasted 5 hours of my life watching this crap but my sense of adventure kept me interested. I knew these Rubes were stringing us along when after an entire episode where they had begun draining the swamp they made no attempt to drain the Mercy Point portion of the swamp and instead brought back the "Master Diver" to swim through the murk.......

Micah said...

I actually thought the most interesting part of the series was the "constellation thing" as you call it. It's not a constellation, it's a symbol from the Kabbalah which is something that the Knights Templar were into. I was not a huge fan of how much filler there was in each episode, but I am excited to see what happens in season two as I believe they are on the right track to try to drain the obviously man-made swamp.

Chris Briscoe said...

I'm surprised that they haven't tried to block the tunnels filling the money pit then pumping it out

sandy said...

They need dig deeper!

Amber Keefer said...

All of this seemed pretty contrived to me. They could have at least changed their clothes to make it look like the metal detectors and the diver were on different days. Maybe it was just a case of refilming, but a costume change would've been nice. The evidence was also a pretty weak. (1) A man made (though they didn't say how they knew) harbor with coconut fiber dating to 1250-1400. We know that there were settlers and explorers in Nova Scotia at the time. Could it have been made to dry dock boats in the winter? (2) A swamp that they believe to be man made because of flat stones, oak trunks, and metal...and it's only feet from the ocean. Couldn't a wet year have flooded a previous settlement site and the water receded past a natural dam? (3) They kept showing illustrations and reenactments of the logs from the original Money Pit digs. The actual records just say that there were "markers", not log platforms. (4) They also show very detailed diagrams of the "booby traps" that flood the pits. So somebody's got some serious x-ray vision? How do they know that it's not underwater caves? I'll watch in November, but every episode seemed to get fishier. To be honest, I can't believe there is a second season.

Amber Keefer said...

Oh, and ghost hunters, seriously?

John Lizaitis said...

i do not understand trying to drain the whole lagoon they were showing only the depth of a rod, use cement that sets under water and around the area where they think the chamber is construct a dam or wall around the chamber ,then simply pump the the water from a very small area and drill through the ceiling of the chamber as the meerkats say simples ,but on the level of the masons and the rosicrusians there will probably be three more morals apart from mercy to find the treasure which may take someone pure and rightous to find it will probably be the greatest find in human history but it may not be gold..johnny

John Lizaitis said...

the tree of life and the triangular swamp depending which you look at it represents a femail energy or a male energy the male should be up the female should be down but determining which is north and south is some thing i can not say from watching the programe, yes the chap using shakespear litrature was right as all of it has secret teachings held within, search for your selves you do not have to believe my word ..johnny

John Lizaitis said...

will be interesting to see if a serious attempt is made, you have to understand the old metal into gold theory it is a spiritual understanding of turning the human body into a spiritual body which shakespear and bacon were masters,same as da vinci

John Lizaitis said...

if there is nothing there and as some say on this blog there is nothing there why would anybody go to the labourious task of yrs of work and remember all by hand to dig tunnels hide secrets, build supposed buried chambers under lagoons
etc etc, is any body going to say who ever did it, did it just for FUN !!!
the amoumt of effort involved would easily match the search effort , i truly wish rick and marty sucess but as i said about the chamber in the lagoon thereare easy ways to solve problems but you have to think along different lines to solve some problems ..johnny

John Lizaitis said...

if marty or rick would like to contact me i may be able to give only clues but sometimes you just need one piece to finish the puzzle ????

John Lizaitis said...

for all you bloggers who have only watched the programe there are many facts that have not been revealed ,have faith ...the truth is out there !!

John Werner said...

Treasure hunting is fun to fantasize about, the actual "grunt work" isn't. That is unless the hunt is rewarded with something of great merit, no matter how small. Sadly, as much as I watch all the episodes I feel there is stalling and even a bit of chicanery in order to deliver enough episodes. Do the brothers know there is little chance of success in the ground but gold on the TV screen? I get that feeling every time I watch. I get around it by realizing that they've spent a lot of their own money prior to reaping any TV millions which, if one buys the dialog, is also having to go right back into the project. Viewers, such as me, have proven patient if critical. The big question now is if the second season fails to deliver something spectacular will the long history of Oak Island's mystery finally be abandoned not just on TV, but for good? The writings on the wall that as soon as season two episode two there has to be something of import and relevance revealed. It leaves me thinking the next episode, the new season's second, will drop a new, read major revelation. If it doesn't the numbers (i.e. viewers) will, likely, drop precipitously. This could be the one episode that charts the future. We shall see.

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Commander said...
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Ryan Taylor said...

Funny..Commander is on TV and sells books,successfully.
Jefft,on the other hand,doesn't realize reality,and the facts speak for themselves.
I think someone wants to wear your skin Commander,jealous as he sounds

Commander said...

Ryan Taylor, yep this guy jefft stalked me last year very heavy on Facebook and had to resort to FB to get him to stop. He really has some weird man-love thing going on for me and not just in a respectful buddy fan kinda way. Somehow he latched on to me in the treasure forums on FB and then even went o my books and leaves bogus 1 star ratings. He wanted to be on our treasureforce team and when he was rejected, he went ballistic and now this is his thing. He is now upset he sees me on History. This guys even has a wife and kid, he keeps them in the dark about his stalking, but I have to find his ex military friends and reach out and get him to stop stalking me. Really weird in a "postal someday PTSD" kinda way. Not the right kind of fan or flattery. So, when we rejected him - he just went nuts like a middle school trial with a crush.

Ryan Taylor said...

Jeez,what a guy.You are always welcome to Nova Scotia to search for any treasures.
Just ignore people like that, he probably wants to sniff your underwear...after a week long expedition...
Personally,I think you and Treasure Force is pretty awesome,so I can understand jefft being so upset at being turned down.Than again,way he acts,he'd probably try to eat people in a cave on any expeditions.

Unknown said...

This show is beyond bogus.

Souverain Daniel said...

This is just a diversion for oil and gaz drilling

Michael Myers said...

This show is good entertainment. I hope they find something worth value. Which in all reality they probably won't.. Why would you put that valuable of treasure underground on some random island? But whatever use all your money there and see where it gets you.

Joedanny33 said...

I think they might be hiding 40 tons of dmt under there

Joedanny33 said...

If you don't know the representation of the pineal gland at the mercy point, then look it up. But the most confusing part about what might be below the mercy point is it's connection to the third eye (pineal gland). So far the only physical ignition of the pineal gland is the chemical dimethyltryptamine. I wonder that if what is hidden is a physical object designed to enlighten the power of the pineal gland throughout the masses. It would not make sense that the treasure beneathe the mercy point that has a direct relation to the pineal gland wouldn't contain something of that nature. If they were to find something of religious consent, maybe we would discover the the meaning of those precious objects talked about in the bible. If something of that nature were to be found, I believe the designers of the puzzle made sure that the people who found it were worthy enough to wield its shear power. The Laginas better be ready to be the leaders of a revolution that has been planned for around this time (the year 2000, as described in chapter 20 of the bible, the aftermath).

Michael Blatchford said...

OK folks sorry there is nothing at the bottom of the pit but sweat, blood, tears, and regrettably six who died trying.

First off all the coins found around the pit and swamp, they are very easy to explain as in seamen and ships. Check a chart of the North Atlantic and if you run west out of Europe on a northern tack you will land in the Nova Scotia area of witch there are many safe harbors to anchor and go ashore to fill your water casks and gather food and to do other ship board chores, and the coins were dropped from the purses of seamen doing these chores. There were no "ship chandlers" there at that time. As for the Templar coin Rick and Marty found and are so certain means the Templars were burying the treasure there, well "BULL" the Templar stroke coinage and everyone used it, so anyone could have dropped it there.

Part two, Question. If you were to hide a treasure would you hide it so well with so many traps that even you who buried it could not retrieve it? Ans. NO.

Lets just assume the Templars did have a treasure and landed at Oak Island with it. Now they were not stupid and were quite use to people trying to rip them off, so they went about setting up a hiding place for there treasure that anyone looked at, and would be completely certain was the place the treasure is buried and then you bury it in plain site just off the island and if you do it correctly the fools will look forever for it, being as all the clues are there they will believe. All can be explained if the fools would for one moment just look at the whole thing with a new set of eyes, they would see they are being used. The last Templar died of a heart attack from laughing so hard, and in doing so took the location with him. Now I well tell you were the treasure really is and it's in plain site. All this has been going on for over two hundred years and in that time a lot of $$MONEY$$ was spent in the area for supplies and contractors, and these local business people are more likely then not very amused and hope the fools never figure it out and keep spending the bucks on the project.

As for Pirates, No two small a crew and it would take them very a very long time to complete. The Templars on the other hand more then likely then not may well have numbered in the hundreds.

Old saying #1: Three can keep a secret if two are dead. #2: Bury it in plain site. #3: leave a well detailed map where you hid your treasure so no one can find it.

In Northern California a few years ago a number of cans were found just sticking out of the ground and they were full of gold coins, eight cans, and they have no idea who hid them.

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jmozz60 said...

I was very excited when this show was first promoted . I'm up to date with the episodes , but imo , the show is becoming stale . History Ch. Needs to get back to its roots .
I'm an avid WW2 buff , & I actually miss the great documentaries they use to air . .

Jory Geagin said...

Good go watch the military channel. History didn't start in the 40s with ww2

jmozz60 said...

Rory , it didn't ?? Well if we would have lost WW2 , history sure as hell would have begun !!
That's not the issue at hand here though . I just voiced my opinion on how "History" is killing this show .
"History" is my favorite ch. & it seems to be losing it's edge . That , I do not want .

Michael Blatchford said...

Gentlemen I think the word you are looking for to describe this show is "SCRIPTED" Anyway I still think there is nothing on Oak Island but a very beautiful vacation spot.

jmozz60 said...

@ Jory .. Excuse the typo ..

John Werner said...

The Laginas have money to go off on a grand adventure so, perhaps, they really do want to get to the bottom of the mystery of Oak Island. That said, the "adventure" has been co-opted by television - and not in a good way. What I mean is so many seemingly "dead ends" are methodically explored to stretch out the search purely to "pad" episodes into multiple seasons and millions of TV dollars. This is akin to watching paint drying without the pristine nicely painted rooms. Think about it, at each episodes end the viewer has been taken on a ride with absolutely nothing concrete to show for it. One can't help but feel a bit of a "sucker". True, the mystery has sucked many in with much greater lose than simply watching a show, but come on, we need something definitive to latch on to. If there;s nothing then we need to see some proof just as much as if there is something compelling. This endless circling around with more "what if's" continually added is getting tedious. The bottom line is if anything is buried it needs to simply be excavated by brute force. Too much time, energy, and money has been poured into nothing so it's crunch time. Will the show suddenly turn into a real no-holds barred mission to get to the truth or will it just plod along with more questions and nothing to show? Anybody else losing interest? Apparently the faithful are holding on as viewership is solid with some small gains. That seems to spell more of the same sadly. I'm for History Channel putting some needed cred into the whole affair and insisting for some real answers instead of added questions/mystery each episode. History Channel shouldn't just be entertainment, it should be some hard facts brought to light for the credibility it's name once stood for. This is still called The History Channel is it not?

Michael Blatchford said...

Mr. John Werner how correct you are Sir. It's akin to looking in the bottom of the chicken noodle soup pot for the noodles, your brother was there ahead of you. As you say why waste time with all this digging and traveling all over the world, simply excavate on the proper scale and be done in a month instead of a season or two, "History Channel & Ratings" covers it. As for the brothers losing money? How much is the History Channel paying them????

Brittany Tomlin said...

I am very intrigued and I love the passion of the Lagina's and their team. I do think something is down there, the biggest clue being when you dig into ground, you don't typically get swamped with sea water. You might start hitting fresh water, but this ground, underneath, was definitely being protected. Is it special religious relics like the Arc of The Covenant and the Holy Grail, I have no idea. It is very possible. My best guess is the Knights of the Templar purposely crashed their boats in between the islands (Oak Island used to be separated in the middle), let their boats sink to an extent but planned on how the treasure would sink. After which, they made a man made swamp onto of the wreckage all the while booby trapping it, building tunnels and leaving themselves or ancestors a clue and even way to get back to the treasure. All the treasure hunters attempts throughout the years has ruined too many landmarks and any value of accessing it, I think it's a lost cause unless the military gets involved and makes it a 100+ man operation with all of their technology. I don't want the government involved at all but I just don't think this group, with money running out and limited resources and so many locations to consider will find things in time, especially with the area so damaged.

Michael Blatchford said...

Brittany, I said before if you want people to look in the wrong place for the treasure then do all you can to make them believe they are in the correct spot. Now would you bury your treasure where it could be found by anyone or would you make damn sure they looked where you wanted them to look. And would you put it where you may not be able to recover it.

James Sassatelli said...

As the show continues I become more skeptical. I will continue to watch as I am entertained. For now...

Lisa R said...

I was really into the show as Id known about the oak island mystery for some time. However the constant filler, dragging out episode after episode is bringing me to the point of no return. I'm sure the Lagina's needed some help w/ funding hence partnered up w/ history channel but they even look like their regretting it, especially older brother Rick. Their search would have been better served as a two hour documentary.

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jmozz60 said...

Yes , I said it weeks ago that the show was beginning to get stale . It's way past that point now imo .
Besides , the ending being obvious even before the first episode aired .

jesse wilson said...

If there are tunnels from the pit to the sea, why isn't the water the same level?

blah said...

How deep does the island go, has anyone done a submerged perspective of the island instead of drilling.i remember as a kid digging for treasure but when you're at the beach and dig a hole what's going to happen.You're going to strike water.

davidl said...

Man made swamp, elaborate tunnel system that floods a man made shaft. I have always thought it might have been a ship drydock.

Daniel said...

On Google Earth the swamp appears to be drained, exposing white lines. Checking the timeline function on Google Earth, the image is from a couple years ago. This makes me wonder when the episodes were filmed. If the episodes were filmed years ago and something was found, you would think some information would have been leaked by now.

downyourtube said...

The Templar's Main purpose was to protect a Mother and her Twin babies.
They also had the Ark of the Covenant, Solomon's Treasure and a tomb.
The Oak Island purpose was to divert ones attention from a main location, which is in Germany.

Contact me if you want to know more.

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Matt Gatto said...

While the concept of buried treasure on Oak Island is fascinating, I can't get past some of these "experts" that they bring in...particularly that J. Hutton Pulitzer character. Is it just me or does that guy just scream "FRAUD" to anybody else? What's with the Indiana Jones outfit? I just can't take anything that dude says seriously...hell, I'll wager that's not even his real name lol.

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John Werner said...

I read other places where the guy is actually a fraud and guess what...J. Hutton Pulitzer isn;t his true name. You're absolutely correct in the fact they've trotted out a known scam-artist out as an expert has shrouded the whole, supposed, "real" hunt for treasure with a kind of P. T. Barnum atmosphere of attempted entertainment damn the real science. Dan and his son are probably closest to anything real, but they're just not really what the 2 brothers are about now days. It's called show biz I'm inclined to say.

downyourtube said...

See my Avatar? It's the Twins the Templar's protected.

But guess what else it is?

Look close / side ways.

It's a painting by Nicholas Poussin.

He told the story of the Templar's in His paintings.

I found them.

The Bloodline of Jesus is the "Quesenberry" Bloodline from Questenberg, Germany.

Look close at the Avatar.

downyourtube said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxjlhvrviX0

This video tells where the Ark of the Covenant is.

Please watch.

Unknown said...

It's like a side mission from assassin's creed!!

Royia Grizzell said...

Have they used satellite imaging like the one used to discover more tombs in Eygpt?

Debra Peterson said...

I LOVE this show!!! Totally obsessed! Thank you for producing it.

Roger Elliott said...

if there is a body at the bottom of ten x, wouldn't that be the 7th who has died?

R Elliott

John Werner said...

Roger, you have a pertinent observation if that is, in fact, a body. Dan has said all along he thought it was and those recent higher tech scan guys, the father and son duo, seemed to indicate it may likely be, though their tech seems a bit "out there" what with finding stuff like ivory, gold, and such. All in all the season three third episode played out with little, if any, useful gain to answering the treasure saga I'm sorry to say, save for being an excellent infomercial for Atlantic Caterpillar.

downyourtube said...

Use Google Earth and find Questenberg, Germany. Rotate the map, until you see the penitent man kneeling and look again at the main roads of Questenberg, from a far a little.
It looks like a penitent man kneeling before a Cross. Now imagine if Jesus was crucified there.. where the spear struck His side... is where you'll find an entrance into caves, that hide the lost Ark of the Covenant. You'll know when it's found because of a global quake. It's what happens when the water is displaced inside. The water is displaced because within it there is a secret passage that leads to a area where the Ark is hidden, along with some other things. Within the hills there are glaziers and the water being displaced changes them..which in turn will cause a domino effect felt around the world.

~you'll see.

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simian said...

This is a more elaborate Geraldo Rivera/Al Capone's Safe failure. Too bad. That Pulitzer guy is a massive tool as well. His gadget holsters make me want to open hand slap his face.

So silly that anyone would think man made artifacts would somehow have some supernatural effect on the world.

downyourtube said...

Funny, I was sitting here thinking, it's like History repeating itself. I'm telling you about a Ark and you chuckle.

~imagine what they were saying during the days of Noah when the door of the "Ark" shut?

~good luck

John Werner said...

Just watched season three episode 8. Like the standard episodes attempts at finding things, in this case Fred Nolan's old man-made wall, were met with no results. But, what I like about this particular episode is that they're widening the search for possibly something not as obvious. A mystery of over almost 2 centuries with much of the effort being in the same places kind of demands this at a point. That point is clearly been surpassed making it high time to be as creative as reasonable. Before the episode ends this mindset finds something unique, likely man-made, a couple of hundred feet out in the water. It seems it has to be another man-made marker. Of course this being TV it makes $$$ sense to stretch it out to the next episode which is a little bit of a let down. Admittedly when they dive on it even if it is clearly a pointer which was left by someone, it probably just adds to the mystery instead of solving it outright. Still, this adds to the known strange markers already cataloged and reinforces that these things, like cryptographic code, do say something. One thing struck me. In past episodes were introduced to a historic figure, a freed slave, who became an interesting figure. In some of these episodes it says he became wealthy and bought more land at higher than market value. It mentions he used gold as payment regularly. This screams that someone in the past, likely this man, found something of value making him invest further in the island. This time it mentions he paid a sum in silver coins. So we have a farmer on Oak Island who likely started at ground zero financially and became wealthy in way not commensurate with what he actually grew and sold. I think this is a striking fact, along with the strange way he gave the land upon his death not to his wife, but an associate...a confidant and hired hand. Why??? We need some more light shed on this wealthy farmer because he obviously knew something that might have been too much for his wife to handle. It's highly likely he found some treasure and when he was convinced he found all he was going to he sort of probably put the money somewhere for his wife as possibly the only person who knew where and gave the land to someone for, possibly, the purpose of protecting his wife for the remainder of her life. This is all just conjecture based on stuff told in previous episodes as I've not extensively studied this mystery. Still, why no real investigation of this man who seems to be the only resident of Oak Island who actually prospered instead of burning through the various fortunes others did? Did he actually find treasure, and if so was it only a portion of several?

As for all the pseudo history shows, one that comes to mind is Hunting Hitler, is this the only one that might find something historically important? I do believe folks like Bob Baer and his Hunting Hitler is purely a money grab with no real science, or proven facts, to base a show on. I'm hopeful because of Lagina's sincerity, and proven Oak Island mysterious facts, this show is still very much a real look, even if presented as TV entertainment, into a viable historical treasure search. Hopefully something of some real value will finally show up, and soon.

KRandle said...

Sorry, John -

I disagree. They have dragged this out to ridiculous lengths and they haven't found or proven a thing. Last night they found logs, they search the ocean with sonar and were quite excited about the triangles they found but didn't dive down to see what they were. Just another hour killing time and I'm getting tired of it. This is the way to kill a mystery and destroy viewer interest. Let's see some positive results... not another picture that might be a body at the bottom of 10x, not another seeming disaster that has been misrepresented to hold our interest until it is revealed that the disaster wasn't go much a disaster as a minor snag. I say again, they have dragged this out to the point where I'm about to lose interest.

Unknown said...

Wow, I had such high hopes for this show. I looked forward each week to see what the Lagina brothers had hopefully found. Fortunately, I have awaken from my stupor. The treasure, if there was any, has been removed many years ago. Now this show just makes me angry. I'm tired of watching the Lagina brothers calling it a day at lunch time, adding a new ridiculous theory to what isn't buried on the island, and wasting my time on Tuesday nights. But in the end, it is totally my fault. It's a TV show and unfortunately that's all it is. Time to bring in Geraldo to open an empty treasure chest.

Robert Pavlick said...

Uneventful THIS WEEK? This show has been UNEVENTFUL FOR TWO SEASONS !!! Talk about low budget shows. They hired a few actors and some heavy duty road equipment and built an entire show around digging, drilling and filling back in without ever finding anything that the average person in Europe couldn't find in their own backyard with a metal detector.

We know, for a FACT, that the Vikings DID visit New Foundland and Nova Scotia and the Vikings traded with peoples all over the known world. So it would not be unusual for Vikings to have in their possession Roman coins, Persian coins, Buddhist bronze figurines, etc. So even if any of those items were found at Oak Island, that does not necessarily mean that Romans, Persians or anyone else other than Vikings, visited Oak Island !!!!

As to Solomon's Temple Treasures and the Arc of the Covenant being there? I highly doubt it. The Ark of the Covenant was more than likely lost in the 6th century BC when the Babylonians burned Jerusalem and sacked the Temple. Trajan's Arch and Column in Rome both clearly depict the Romans carrying off all of the Temple treasures that were in the Second Temple built by Herod after sacking Jerusalem in 70 AD, so the Temple treasures would not have been in Jerusalem in the 1100's for the Templars to find.

The Ark of the Covenant, according to the Bible, was made of ACACIA WOOD, overlaid with gold. as were most of the other Temple items like menoras or candlesticks. Exodus, chapter 37. If someone WAS foolish enough to bury them in a swamp, then they would have rotted away centuries ago !!!!! The entire series is laughable !!!!!

Robert Pavlick said...

Uneventful THIS WEEK? This show has been UNEVENTFUL FOR TWO SEASONS !!! Talk about low budget shows. They hired a few actors and some heavy duty road equipment and built an entire show around digging, drilling and filling back in without ever finding anything that the average person in Europe couldn't find in their own backyard with a metal detector.

We know, for a FACT, that the Vikings DID visit New Foundland and Nova Scotia and the Vikings traded with peoples all over the known world. So it would not be unusual for Vikings to have in their possession Roman coins, Persian coins, Buddhist bronze figurines, etc. So even if any of those items were found at Oak Island, that does not necessarily mean that Romans, Persians or anyone else other than Vikings, visited Oak Island !!!!

As to Solomon's Temple Treasures and the Arc of the Covenant being there? I highly doubt it. The Ark of the Covenant was more than likely lost in the 6th century BC when the Babylonians burned Jerusalem and sacked the Temple. Trajan's Arch and Column in Rome both clearly depict the Romans carrying off all of the Temple treasures that were in the Second Temple built by Herod after sacking Jerusalem in 70 AD, so the Temple treasures would not have been in Jerusalem in the 1100's for the Templars to find.

The Ark of the Covenant, according to the Bible, was made of ACACIA WOOD, overlaid with gold. as were most of the other Temple items like menoras or candlesticks. Exodus, chapter 37. If someone WAS foolish enough to bury them in a swamp, then they would have rotted away centuries ago !!!!! The entire series is laughable !!!!!

Besides all that, we all "know" that the Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia as it was taken there toward the end of the reign of Solomon for safe keeping with his son , Menelik, the son of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba !!!!

dimitri chips said...

This could help!: 13th president of united states...left by dimitri chips
was direct lineage of William St. Clair...he was our president...tip of the iceberg

Arthur St. Clair (1734-1818)
Born and educated in Edinburgh, Scotland during the tumultuous days of the final Jacobite Rising and the Tartan Suppression, St. Clair was the only president of the United States born and bred on foreign soil. Though most of his family and friends abandoned their devastated homeland in the years following the Battle of Culloden—after which nearly a third of the land was depopulated through emigration to America—he stayed behind to learn the ways of the hated Hanoverian English in the Royal Navy. His plan was to learn of the enemy's military might in order to fight another day. During the global conflict of the Seven Years War—generally known as the French and Indian War—he was stationed in the American theater. Afterward, he decided to settle in Pennsylvania where many of his kin had established themselves. His civic-mindedness quickly became apparent: he helped to organize both the New Jersey and the Pennsylvania militias, led the Continental Army's Canadian expedition, and was elected Congress. His long years of training in the enemy camp was finally paying off. He was elected President in 1787—and he served from February 2 of that year until January 21 of the next. Following his term of duty in the highest office in the land, he became the first Governor of the Northwest Territory and the founder of Cincinnati. Though he briefly supported the idea of creating a constitutional monarchy under the Stuart's Bonnie Prince Charlie, he was a strident Anti-Federalist—believing that the proposed federal constitution would eventually allow for the intrusion of government into virtually every sphere and aspect of life. He even predicted that under the vastly expanded centralized power of the state the taxing powers of bureaucrats and other unelected officials would eventually confiscate as much as a quarter of the income of the citizens—a notion that seemed laughable at the time but that has proven to be ominously modest in light of our current governmental leviathan. St. Clair lived to see the hated English tyrants who destroyed his homeland defeated. But he despaired that his adopted home might actually create similar tyrannies and impose them upon themselves.

Definitive example of templars and knights of christ

dimitri chips said...

Arthur St. Clair (1734-1818) given by dimitri chips READ ON....
Born and educated in Edinburgh, Scotland during the tumultuous days of the final Jacobite Rising and the Tartan Suppression, St. Clair was the only president of the United States born and bred on foreign soil. Though most of his family and friends abandoned their devastated homeland in the years following the Battle of Culloden—after which nearly a third of the land was depopulated through emigration to America—he stayed behind to learn the ways of the hated Hanoverian English in the Royal Navy. His plan was to learn of the enemy's military might in order to fight another day. During the global conflict of the Seven Years War—generally known as the French and Indian War—he was stationed in the American theater. Afterward, he decided to settle in Pennsylvania where many of his kin had established themselves. His civic-mindedness quickly became apparent: he helped to organize both the New Jersey and the Pennsylvania militias, led the Continental Army's Canadian expedition, and was elected Congress. His long years of training in the enemy camp was finally paying off. He was elected President in 1787—and he served from February 2 of that year until January 21 of the next. Following his term of duty in the highest office in the land, he became the first Governor of the Northwest Territory and the founder of Cincinnati. Though he briefly supported the idea of creating a constitutional monarchy under the Stuart's Bonnie Prince Charlie, he was a strident Anti-Federalist—believing that the proposed federal constitution would eventually allow for the intrusion of government into virtually every sphere and aspect of life. He even predicted that under the vastly expanded centralized power of the state the taxing powers of bureaucrats and other unelected officials would eventually confiscate as much as a quarter of the income of the citizens—a notion that seemed laughable at the time but that has proven to be ominously modest in light of our current governmental leviathan. St. Clair lived to see the hated English tyrants who destroyed his homeland defeated. But he despaired that his adopted home might actually create similar tyrannies and impose them upon themselves.

downyourtube said...

The Ark of the Covenant.
King Solomon's Treasure.
A Tomb.

All in the Cave in Questenberg, Germany.

Search and you'll find it.

downyourtube said...
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downyourtube said...

Let me put it another way.

For the past 7+ years, I have studied the Paintings of Nicholas Poussin. In them, there is hidden information. What I've told you concerning the Ark of the Covenant, King Solomon's Treasure and a Tomb...is in these paintings. You know what watermarks are don't you and all the principles/ways they are applied, right? It's the "same" as to how Nicholas Poussin hid the information in His paintings. He took the principles of "watermarks" and used that to hide much.

His information starts at the Crucifixion of Jesus and leads to Questenberg, Germany and then leads into something else.
The point is... I can't tell you if He found the "info" and then applied it to His paintings or if He was given/told to do it by another man or if He was a Angel and God sent Him to do it... my opinion would be.. "don't know, that one".

But what I do know is.. I followed the info precisely and learned many things. Some I have shared here with all of you.

If you want the "Ark of the Covenant" , "King Solomon's Treasures" and to learn further of a "Tomb", then go to Questenberg, Germany and find the cave in one of the 3 hills, that surround it.

Much was done to Jesus at Crucifixion, that was never written in the Bible, but it was told in Nicholas Poussin's paintings. One day when the items are found, there will be a group of men who will start saying Jesus is in that "Tomb". I want you to know, that will be a LIE <please never forget that.
The person inside the "tomb" is one of the children who the women bore. She gave birth to a set of TWINS (see my avatar icon). She was present at Crucifixion and was forced by a roman soldier to be with Jesus. Then 9 men took her, the "Ark of the Covenant" to Questenberg Germany, where she gave Birth to the "Twins" a boy and girl.

The Quesenberry Bloodline is the true Bloodline of Jesus. It was protected by the Castle at Questenberg, Germany. The girl was killed by a animal and the "boy" continued the Bloodline. My avatar is actually a painting, that contains the Twins hidden in it. On YouTube if you search for hushwhisper and go to that channel, you will find a video about the "bloodline and the paintings".

It's all in Questenberg, not a hole on a Island.

downyourtube said...

Here is part 1 of the "Bloodline".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__AAhgTDBjM

and here is part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KEBWV6RNXQ

Please understand. As I discovered the information, I made the videos at the same time. Meaning, these videos are not easy to understand and it's best to view only on full screen with the best settings possible, that will help you. And most important, remember everything as a whole before judging please.

Not sure what else I can add.
Except only a "Penitent man will find the caves entrance" (this saying also was something I found hidden).

Unknown said...

Yes, I would love to know more. Especially as I've never heard of twins before. Thanks

Terri Marsh said...

Yes, I would love to know more. Especially as I've never heard of twins before. Thanks

downyourtube said...

What would you like to know?

Terri Marsh said...

Do you know their names? Who started rumor it was in France? Is the family aware of their bloodlines? What of blueblooded reptillians ( royalty) thanks

downyourtube said...

"names" - no.
"rumor" - ? , I never mentioned France.
"aware" - yes, I've told them on they're facebook page (Quesenberry Nation).
"reptilians" - ? , Nothing I've learned mentioned this.
welcome.

JJ Flash said...

Well yes, this show is torturously slow moving but I think even with History Channel financing they have to spend money carefully. According to the internet Rick is a retired postal worker with a net worth of 500k and Marty is an engineer with a net worth of 2 million. Not exactly deep pockets by rich guy standards these days. I admire that. They obviously have taken an idea and put together a deal that whether they find anything or not is life changing for them and we get to tag along. According to Wiki, FDR spent two summers digging here as a young man. This reminds me of the man who carved Mount Rushmore or something and embodies the American spirit. Lets root for these brothers and be pleased if they succeed.

Grimmalf said...

I read through your entire article, and unfortunately, all you've done is reiterate all of the myths about Oak Island. Here's an excerpt from Richard Joltes' very thorough examination of the myths of Oak Island.
http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter4.shtml

"Daniel McInnis (or McGinnis) was actually born in North Carolina in 1758, fought as a Loyalist during the American War of Revolution, then removed to Nova Scotia following the British defeat. No boy in 1795, he would have been roughly 37 years of age and, according to land grant records and deeds, owned land on Oak Island and in Chester well before that date."
"So, in one short paragraph, using actual historical records, Joltes shows that there was nothing mysterious or supernatural about McInness seeing lights on Oak Island, people lived there, and had since the French settlers who were driven out by the British
Ditto the notion of people avoiding the island owing to the legend that people who rowed out there never came back. It's so obvious I'm surprised no one noticed it before.
McInness and his friends came back from the island, actually went back and forth between the island ad the mainland many times.
For every legend that has been fabricated about Oak Island, there is more than ample real world, documented evidence to expose it for the fraud it is.

Ori B said...

BEST SHOW ON TV...Excitement, History, Challenge, A Great Story, Mystery, etc. If you don't like the show, don't watch it!

KRandle said...

Ori B -

Didn't say I didn't like it. Don't like the unnecessary diversions and there was really no reason to head off to Europe, drain the swamp and chase "treasure" by following the technology that could supposedly find minerals and jewels. Appreciated that they got to the bottom of Bore Hole 10X and solved that mystery... but the real problem is that they aren't really talking about history but legend. A little research would have gotten them farther than they have.

But, you have to admit, they have gone off on tangents that produced nothing but an hour of television but didn't advance our knowledge one bit and all they had to show for all this is a Spanish coin that you can buy on eBay for fifteen or twenty dollars (no not the one they found, but others...)

logcabin said...

I agree w/David,,that swamp looks like a ,''Dock,'' for a ship to come thru and unload its cargo,,,m

Unknown said...

How would someone from 1400 dig that deep and pour concrete and all they are saying digging flood tunnels and stuff i find this hard to believe why not get a big excuvator and dig and find these so called flood tunnels close them down pump out water and get to these so called vaults

Cara Haglund said...

Watched the beginning of the new season tonight, 11/28/16. I dislike how after every commercial the announcer goes over the past episodes. There really is nothing but about 15 to 20 min. Of new info. They found something shiny at the end of last season. Something made from gold would not sparkle like that after being in the dirt. Yes, gold doesn't tarnish, but it can get dull particularly when buried. They also found an 18 foot plank. I believe some of the show is fake. I watch because I have read about Oak Island for many, many years. Pretty certain they aren't going to find buried treasure, but maybe some old artifacts.

Cara Haglund said...

Like the program, but much is just laughable. Been interested in Oak Island since I read about it in a Reader's Digest article years ago. I think some items are plants. They found something shiny at the end of last season, but if it's an old gold coin, I doubt it would shine.

dfierstien said...

Cara Haglund, I watched the recorded video of the season 3 finale several times in which a video probe was sent down a shaft near the money-pit to reveal something gold. It wasn't a coin, but it did have a repetitive structure, almost like waves. (Like perhaps the brim of a crown?) It certainly did look man-made though.

At the beginning of Season 4, when that video was re-played, they only showed a blurry, fuzzy gold image. If you can, take a look at that video from the end of Season 3, and watch it very closely. You may find it interesting. I would be interested in thoughts on this.