Tuesday, July 04, 2017

Are Some Tales Just too Wild to Believe: Corey Goode and Andrew Basiago

When I interviewed Jan Harzan recently, I expressed my concern about the direction of MUFON and some of those invited to make presentations at the Symposium. I thought that some of the speakers were less than credible, thinking specifically about one man who seemed to claim to some sort of time travel before I realized there were two. Harzan’s response was that he wanted to give the membership a chance to hear the tales and decide for themselves if they believed them or not. The thinking here, I believe, was present an interesting program that provided data on the alleged secret space program, even if the evidence of such a thing didn’t exist, other than some testimony from some rather dubious sources. Besides, it would draw in more paying attendees but really has little to do with UFO research.

One of those speaking is Corey Goode, whose bio seemed to be more like that of Ender Wiggin. For those of you who don’t read science fiction, Ender Wiggin was a six-year-old boy who was recruited into the International [Space] Fleet in the fight against the Buggers, an alien race that had invaded the Solar System, twice. The fight would be taken to them, on other planets in other star systems. Ender was a genus at strategy and tactics and something of an empath, though that it never actually spelled out in the book. Instead, at the moment he comes to love his enemy, that is the moment that he destroys them… though by the end of the book, he is the one who saves that alien race from extermination. I mention this because of some of the parallels that I see among the speakers at the Symposium.

According to the bio of Goode, found at the MUFON website, under Symposium and Speakers, we learn:

Identified as an intuitive empath (IE), Corey Goode was recruited into Military Special Access Programs (SAP) at the age of 6. This program groomed Corey to be drafted into a Secret Space Program called “Solar Warden” in 1986. For the next 20 years Corey was assigned to a research vessel as well as being pulled into multiple other related assignments. This was designated as a “20 & Back” assignment which involved age regression (via Pharmaceutical means) as well as time regressed to the point of beginning service.
In 2015 Corey Goode was featured on a ground breaking new series on Gaia TV called “Cosmic Disclosure”. Corey has been sharing his experiences in these SAP’s in what has now become 7 seasons of Cosmic Disclosure.
I’m sorry but I don’t believe any of this except maybe that his name is Corey Goode. He has no evidence, or maybe I should say no reputable evidence, that any of this is true. I can’t file FOIA, I can’t see the headquarters or the office. Nor do I believe that the Navy had built “space carriers,” which if true would have required a crew of hundreds. Why are there no others talking about this? Obviously there has been no repercussions for Goode violating his oath. He hasn’t been prosecuted for it which show have inspired other “whistleblowers,” though none have come forward.
Andrew Basiago : Time traveler.
Even worse, if possible, is the tale told by Andrew Basiago, an attorney who claims that he, too, as a child was involved in some strange things including time travel, “jumping” to Mars through some sort of apparatus that might have been controlled by the CIA. According to him:
His talk will include the origins of Project Mars of the 1980s in Project Pegasus of the1970s; the program's goals; the training seminar; the identity of the young Americans who were the speaker's fellow trainees; NASA's involvement in selecting the jumpers; the desired traits of those to go off-planet; the origin, structure, function, and location of the jump rooms; what the CIA's threat assessment about the Martian civilization revealed about the true history of US probes to Mars; the dangers faced by jumpers; the speaker's acclimation jumps, exploratory jumps, and ultimate mission; the characteristics of three Martian humanoids; the identity and testimony of seven jump room whistle blowers; and the involvement of Buzz Aldrin, Barack Obama; Richard Nixon, Howard Hughes, Stansfield Turner and Ross Perot. Attention will be given to President Obama's disinformation ploys concealing his participation in the program; whether the jumps were made to Mars or a “synthetic quantum evironment” (sic) in time-space; and the politics in exopolitics that have prevented the Mars jump room story from being given the standing in Ufology that it deserves and that the speaker's work has earned.
And no, I don’t believe this tale either. There is no credible evidence for this. But like Goode, he attracts a crowd with his preposterous tales of Martian humanoids and predators that are so fierce that his superiors gave him a cyanide capsule to commit suicide if trapped rather than a large caliber firearm to protect himself.
But Harzan said that he wanted to give the MUFON membership the opportunity to listen and decide what they wanted to believe. Fair enough… then why is the same courtesy not extended to Michael Horn, who believes that Billy Meier has been in contact with space aliens? Shouldn’t he be allowed to present his tale to the membership so that they can decide for themselves?

The real point, I suppose, is that if we expect to earn the respect of various other groups (journalists and scientists just to name two), we have to be careful in what we accept as reality. We can’t believe something because we want to believe it, especially when it is so outrageous. The driving force should not be a potential to make money off the claim. While it might be nice to give a platform for some of those with extreme views, we ought to be sure that their views are based in our shared reality and not in science fiction. Unfortunately, that is where we now find ourselves because it really is all about the money.

22 comments:

Mr. Sweepy! said...

I am sure I could come up with more than a few good jokes about these individuals. However, I also have a sense of sadness for them as well for their lacking sense of reality.

John Banner said...


Sorry but MUFON has lost all credibility, if it ever had any. They are slowly turning into a circus show and likely have been for some time. There is a saying that I have heard over the years - 'If they say it's not about the money, it's about the money'.

Just another fine example of why UFO's are laughed at by the main stream. Very frustrating.

Anthony Mugan said...

I try hard to remain polite but some things are just too much.

What an bunch of delusional fruitcakes and charlatans. Unfortunately this is an example (admittedly an extreme one) of a wider problem in society in which large proportions of the population seem very gullible to being manipulated all too easily.

ArizonaWill said...

By presenting this characters, MUFON is endorsing them in the public's mind. MUFON has never been a clearinghouse for every person who entered ufology with a tall tale. Such people belong on Coast to Coast Radio or other similar internet podcasts. Should NASA sponsor speakers from the Flat Earth Society in order to "let people make up their own minds"? MUFON was supposedly a scientific organization for the study of UFOs. If MUFON simply wants to put on a good show to entice a large crowd, why not just offer Free Beer and feature strippers on loan from the Las Vegas strip? Perhaps they could be painted green and wear little antennas on their heads?

Paul Young said...

We all know what happens when you're captured by the "Borg. What worries me is what the "Buggers" might do if they getta hold of ya!!!

Lorna Hunter said...

Sensationalism sells tickets!

James Kelly said...

I was a former Section State Director for MUFON many years ago. I left MUFON because it wanted to start allowing bizarre practices as channeling planets, as well as more concentration of basic weirdness into the organization. A former UTAH State Director told me that alien abduction was the number one problem on earth and that all countries should be taking it seriously.

The monthly publication to international members took a nose dive. No one wanted to pay the $60.00 plus fee for a non-scientific look at UFO's. I left shortly after because the organization was well in to decline.

I never regretted leaving MUFON. It's just sad what has happened to it.

albert said...

"...Corey Goode was recruited into Military Special Access Programs (SAP) at the age of 6...."

It must have been a Really Special Access Program to recruit a 6 year old:) Maybe he was born in a test tube.

"...the politics in exopolitics that have prevented the Mars jump room story from being given the standing in Ufology that it deserves and that the speaker's work has earned...."

I'd say he's getting all the "standing in Ufology" that he deserves, from an organization that is incapable of granting 'standing' to anyone not part of the nutter community.

When will MUFON come up with an official membership card for the Nutcase Brigade?

@ArizonaWill,
"... Should NASA sponsor speakers from the Flat Earth Society in order to "let people make up their own minds"?..."

No, but maybe MUFON should.

The situation is hopeless, but not serious.

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Drake Gilliland said...

I haven't been to any of the conventions before so forgive me for asking but, do people honestly believe any of this? It can be interesting to waste some time and play "what if?" but who takes it seriously?

erickson said...

We stopped being MUFON subscribers when our local organizer began to hold conferences dedicated to "all things fringe," with the participation and support of other MUFON officials - and clearly brought the fringe to local meetings and linked it to MUFON in general. We went to a conference to meet a particular speaker, but also were treated to Basiago and Sean David Morton. We went to a MUFON symposium but Hoagland was as sciency as it got.

All of that can be strangely entertaining but at some point self-respect (and the cost of tickets) kicked in. As to who takes it seriously - there are those who do. Some of them seem to be MUFON (or IUFOC / Contact in the Desert) officials - or else the various achievement awards given at the conferences are even more hypocritical than I suspected.

Goode and Basiago are just a tip of the iceberg at the upcoming symposium. But if it is a matter of giving people a chance to make up their own minds, I look forward to skeptics and critical thinkers being included.

Mr. Sweepy! said...

Kevin,

After reading the comments, MUFON clearly lacks leadership, focus and direction. If you took over the organization, how would you restructure it? Or, is it even worth trying to save the brand?

Unknown said...

WEll i have experience with time travel and teleportation myself as i tried to learn to do it at some point and discovered that partial effect is possible so why they couldnt have amplified it with electronics to make the effect complete especially if you look at mountauk survivors descriptions especially preston nichols also then you might not be too far off with this .

RedTornado2008 said...

Corey Goode was featured on last night's Ancient Aliens episode which treated the MJ-12 papers as the real deal. I guess ufology will never be taken seriously until the subject itself dies down so the profiteering can stop.

Also, there was a two hour special about UFOs which followed that was produced by MUFON. It was hard to take seriously when they prominently featured people like John Ventre. It's too bad as there were actually a couple of interesting cases featured I had never heard of before.

jlmet said...

What's the old axiom....Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

The people who make money off these idiotic lies are borderline criminal in my view. The gullible public who believe this nonsense aren't borderline anything, they're 100% totally insane.

Corey Goode is also the guy who talks to the blue bird aliens as a "Rotating Earth Delegate in a ET Super Federation Council". That's really all you need to know about Corey Goode.

Michael Horn said...

There is one, singularly authentic extraterrestrial contact case. Billy Meier's contacts are still ongoing, now spanning more than 75 years.

Yes, when informed about it, usually people either don't know anything about it, or have fallen for the skeptical attacks, all of which I've long defeated.

Because I represent the Meier case, and I am also one of over 125 eyewitnesses, I modestly refer to myself as the world's leading expert on UFOs. While this may bother some people, I'm always open to discuss the case, its evidence, voluminous prophetically accurate information, etc.

Re Corey Goode, how is it that anyone would take the claims of an...admitted mind-control experiment seriously?

James Kelly said...

Michael,

You are not the "World's leading expert on UFO's." How you came to this conclusion is beyond unusual. The Meier case is nothing more than fraud. And laughable fraud at that.

Michael Horn said...

The response by Mr. Kelly is typical of the mentality of many so-called UFO enthusiasts. They simply make their critical statements with...ZERO substantiation. And, of course, they fail to have any actual credentials.

It's not that surprising, when one considers that the entire field of UFOlogy is remarkably devoid of real scientific standards, protocols and, in fact, actual...evidence. Certainly there are "UFOs" but it's not so certain what the majority of them are...unless you already know that these are primarily secret military craft.

To address the particularly un-noteworthy Mr. Kelly's disagreement with my "conclusion", I came to that conclusion based on my expertise, gained over almost 40 years, which includes international presentations, interviews, support from credible scientists and, as mentioned, my representing the only authentic, still ongoing UFO contact case of Billy Meier, which now spans over 75 years.

Also, Mr. Kelly graciously demonstrates the "because-I-said-so" non-thinking that is also a hallmark of UFOlogy, with all its bumbling poseurs and charlatans, none of whom have any first hand experience.

So, while chasing one's tail and lights-in-the-sky is essentially the sum and substance of UFOlogy and its dim organizations like MUFON - which strangely enough hasn't found ANYTHING of importance on it's almost 50 years of existence and can't even find the Meier case when it's been freely offered to it for decades - none of the geniuses in this sad field ever seem to ask really important questions.

One of those questions is: If there really are intelligent, advanced, space traveling extraterrestrials...WHY would they contact us? What would the...reason be?

And that is clearly and precisely not only answered by the Meier case but the foundational purpose of it: To help us help ourselves to assure our own very threatened future survival.

While that is clearly news to the majority of people who profess interest in the overall topic, it's quite easy to determine simply by studying the abundant evidence. Of course, if people still want to chase lights-in-the-sky, and rehash various old claims - for which there is simply no remaining available evidence - who am I to disrupt their entertainment?

In case the rhetorical nature of that question wasn't clear enough to Mr. Kelly, I am the world's leading expert on UFOs, representing the only scientifically proven, still ongoing UFO contact case and a personal eyewitness...having been within 20' of a small Plejaren monitoring craft.

Any questions?

James Kelly said...

This will be my last post on the subject so go ahead and rant and rave on Michael about the fraudulent case of Billy Meier. It's nothing but a cult like following and it is one of the reasons why the study of UFO's is not taken seriously by many.

Here you are in the UFO Hall of Shame and I could not have said it better myself:


http://www.ufowatchdog.com/michael_horn.htm

KRandle said...

All -

This post was about some of those invited to speak at the next MUFON Symposium and not an avenue to promote a contactee case that I believe to be untrue. Let's take it back to that discussion.

Michael Horn said...

As per my just submitted post, I don't care about your "beliefs". Unless this is the "Cult of Kevin Randle Blog", let's talk about the facts.

And also as suggested, since you're not going to make the meier case go away by banning any discussion of it, I suggest that you simply open a blog for that purpose.

KRandle said...

Michael -

Well, same to you... I don't care about your beliefs, only that after all these years there had been no acceptable evidence of contact...

Didn't ban that discussion from the blog, only from these particular discussions. I am not going to allow you to hijack the blog and turn it into a forum from your personal beliefs.

I seriously thought about not posting this because it violated the note I had just posted, suggesting we take this back to the original post. I allowed this one through to show the outrageous manipulation you have attempted here. Really? The "Cult of Kevin Randle Blog."

Sorry, that's not going to work.

tom livesey said...

I have no doubt Corey Goode is a phoney. I had never heard of Blue Avians before, so it seemed at least novel, but there is a precursor. A bit of research (not exhaustive or definitive) yielded channeler Bonnie Meyer, writing back in 2006. Readers of your blog may want to be aware of the earlier Blue Avian contactee, and her website, e.g. this page; her message is subtly different than Goode's:

http://www.thelightside.org/EARSite/ac_lea_newjerusalem.html

On Goode’s name - Giles Corey and Sarah Good were early victims of the witch trials in Salem. So we have witches speaking to bluebirds. Witchcraft and Bluebird are codenames for disinformation in the John LeCarre spy novels. That may just be shapes in fire, … or a clue.