Thursday, November 14, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Jan Harzan MUFON

MUFON’s Executive Director, Jan Harzan was the guest on this edition of A Different Perspective. We began by talking about the trends in UFO reporting, if there are more sightings, fewer, or has it remained steady. I wondered if, in the world today, they were solving more of the cases than they had in the past. You can listen to the show here:

We talked about the To The Stars Academy, and if they communicated with one
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another. Seems that there is interaction between the two, but there is a difference in the missions of the two organizations with MUFON more engaged in UFO research and TTSA following a somewhat different business model.

One of the things we talked about was the increase in the number of military witnesses coming forward. I wondered about the vetting of these witnesses because, in my experience, there were far too many who claimed military service or high military rank who either hadn’t served or were inflating their credentials. We did talk about the difficulty of vetting these witnesses given some of the roadblocks in getting the most accurate information.

There was one aspect of this that did bother me. I wondered if Jan had heard the skeptical argument that what the Navy pilots from the USS Nimitz had seen was a top- secret Army drone project. Jan suggested that Luis Elizondo had been in a position at the Pentagon, or in his job where he had an opportunity to review all the black projects. Had such a project existed, he would have known about it. I simply do not buy this sort of an argument.

I cite the situation in 1945, as the US raced to complete and test an atomic bomb, that Harry Truman, as vice president had not heard about it. He didn’t learn about it until President Roosevelt had died. At that point Truman became president and was briefed on it. Truman was the vice president at the time… not some fellow toiling away in the Department of Defense (and yes, I know that there was no Department of Defense in 1945… it was the Department of War and the Department of the Navy). The point is, that when you reach into the stratosphere of classified information, there really is no one who has access to everything. Sure, the president can get at it, if he knows what questions to ask, but seriously, would Elizondo be privy to everything?

At the end of the program, I mentioned Don Burleson’s article that appeared in a recent issue of The MUFON Journal. When Don appeared on this program, I asked him about some of this and while I don’t mean to pick on Don, I was concerned about the “speculation” in the article that could be read as established fact. For those who missed that interview, you can listen to it here:

Next week, I’ll be talking with Charles Halt about the Rendlesham Forest encounter. The following week is Michael Shermer of Skeptic magazine. If you have questions, put them in the comments section here and I’ll get them asked on the program.


Moonman said...

Mr. Harzan is a nice guy. You send him an email and he will respond!

Still, I think he is too credulous. This is evident in recent MUFON symposium speakers. The 2017 one had "the Case for a Secret Space Program" as the topic. The topic and guests do not lend credibility to MUFON. Look at this preamble to the symposium he wrote from back in 2016, He says: "I encourage anyone associated with any of these programs to come forward and share what you know with us at MUFON." This is disturbing.

During the Different Perspective interview, Harzan claims "we know these craft are seen around military installations, nuclear power plants and places where ANTI-GRAVITY RESEARCH is being done". By saying "craft", Harzan goes from the level of UFO (who knows since we did not capture it?) to some physical manufactured object (not informing us of his basis of inference).

Anyway, I was surprised that Mr. Randle did not jump on this statement, since it seemed a blockbuster announcement. I would not be surprised that military bases got a lot of UFO sightings since there are a lot of aircraft, bright searchlights, maybe lasers, flares, etc in those areas. As to nuclear power plants, I would have to see the data, but I doubt UFO occurrences around such places are more frequent than elsewhere else. The main reason it might seem they are more frequent is that the areas are well surveilled to prevent terrorist acts, so more UFOs might be reported. But this anti-gravity thing sounds so bogus.

Let's assume he means gravity shielding or modification as opposed to balloons, airplanes, helicopters "operating against gravity" or even "anti-g" suits for aircraft pilots. Where the heck does he mean anyone has done such research for any agency in the US government? Back in the early 2000's it was popular to spin superconducting disks to try to negate the effects of gravity. At NASA MSFC they tried to do this inside a lab (unsuccessfully). But this was a far cry from testing outside in a field where UFOs can zoom in and check out the proceedings. And correlating it to UFO sightings seems highly unlikely to be successful.

But maybe Harzan is referring to something else (besides secret space program whistleblower testimony). It could be the good old "Lifters", which some people considered "antigravity". Essentially, you send a high voltage into a lattice wire and foil contraption and it "lifts" above the ground. It seems most likely to be ion flow doing it. But the main problem to practical use in the air is the needed heavy electrical power plant. Still, it is interesting that this concept was allegedly tested way back in the olden days and given the name the Biefeld Brown effect. I had not heard of UFO sightings coinciding with the old tests. Maybe Townsend Brown was too busy in the lab to notice.

Hopefully Mr. Harzan can comment.

Byron Weber said...

As much as I appreciate your interview with Jan Harzan, having been an elected Science Advisor at MUFON, Los Angeles in the late 1990's, it quickly became apparent that the organization had been infiltrated after I reported that Michael Wolfe (my assignment) was actually using an aka for Michael Kruvant, and using a bogus social security number. When I contacted Georgetown University in an attempt to verify his purported Phd, they refused to provide any information stating that the records were unavailable because they were in the basement. Shortly afterwards, I received a telephone call from Paola Harris who yelled at me stating I had damaged Michael Wolf's reputation, an honorable man who was dying of cancer. As we now know, Georgetown is associated with the CIA and other government intelligence organizations All in all, I believe most of the people at MUFON are sincere and trustworthy, but I have no doubt there is still a covert intelligence presence.

purrlgurrl said...

Mr. Weber - As a former employee of Georgetown University, I know many of the older student records are kept in basements and have never been digitized (an expensive and labor intensive endeavor for any institution, private or public).

I worked for the medical school and we lost several years of MD records to a burst water main. Georgetown's campus, being in an urban setting, is physically small given the size of its faculty and student body. Many of it's building are older, crowded, and cramped. In some, a square foot can be worth as much as a human life. Old files take up space that's too valuable to waste on them so they're stored in the most out of the way places that are unfit for any other use.

The records you requested are probably stored behind a boiler or were destroyed by termites years ago (you would be horrified to know where we kept patient x-ray films when I worked there). I saw firsthand the waterlogged medical school files that were kept in a basement file center. Nothing could be retrieved from that sodden mass of dissolved paper. And that was far from the first disaster to have befallen older paper records on campus.