As usual, when I get together with Don Schmitt, we have a wide-ranging conversation about many aspects of UFOs. I began the program complaining about the latest outrage in the magazine world when they write about UFOs. A long comment on that follows this posting on this blog.
|Don Schmitt. Photo copyright by Kevin Randle|
Although no researcher ever had the opportunity to interview Barnett, who was the source for the Plains UFO crash, we both had the chance to speak with Barnett’s boss, Fleck Danley. Don said that Danley, when asked for a date of the conversation about the UFO crash with Barnett, thought that Barnett had said something about 1950. When I spoke with Danley, he seemed to indicate that it was 1947, but then, in the course of the conversation, I realized that I could get Danley to say whatever I wanted. He didn’t have a firm grasp on the situation and I spoke to Danley before interviewed him.
We did speak about the late Len Stringfield, crediting him with putting discussions of UFO crashes back on the table. Prior to that, the subject was nearly taboo in the UFO community. The blame for that was Frank Scully’s Behind the Flying Saucers, which mentioned three UFO crashes including the one near Aztec, New Mexico. That report was discredited by J. P. Cahn, and with that came the collapse of any discussions about crashes… until Len revitalized the topic with his research. Len is the one who came up with the term, “crash/retrieval.”
He did surprise me by saying that the Kecksburg crash might have been a bolide or the return of terrestrial manufactured craft. The evidence does seem to lead in that direction, given what we know today.
We did end up talking about Shag Harbour, which I think of as more of an emergency landing rather than a crash. We both thought the documentation and the work of Chris Styles and Don Ledger are important in understanding the Shag Harbour event.
Next up is Rob Brun Del Re, author of UFOs: Proof Positive. We’ll be looking at the proof and discussing several aspects of the UFO field.