Last
Saturday night, (January 18) NewsNation aired a segment that featured Jake
Barber who claimed that he had seen a “nonhuman” egg-shaped aircraft and had
been recruited for a top-secret government UFO crash/retrieval program. Unlike
David Grusch who talked of hearing of such things from credible but unnamed
sources, Barber said that he had participated in retrievals.
I
probably should point out here that neither of these “whistleblowers” was the
first to make claims of an involvement in some sort of government UFO crash
retrieval program. Among the first was Clifford Stone, a mid-level Army NCO,
who claimed to have been involved in several such operations and had even seen
the “alien autopsy file,” not long after he had joined the Army. I mention this
because Stones’ revelations were little more than invention that was not backed
up by any sort of independent evidence.
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| The late Cliff Stone, who claimed to be on the inside of a secret program involved with crash retrievals. |
According
to NewsNation, which had checked Barber’s records, he was a talented airplane
mechanic who was deployed on several presidential support missions. He had been
recruited into the Air Force’s Elite Combat Control unit suggesting he was a
helicopter pilot (though it is unclear if he had been a military pilot),
freefall parachutist, expert marksman and the recipient of a NATO top-secret
security clearance, known as Cosmic Top Secret and service in Bosnia, for which
he earned an unidentified valor award. They don’t reveal what award that might
be. Stones’ records provided no corroboration for his tales.
To
indicate the off-world nature of the retrievals, Barber said, “Just visually
looking at the object on the ground, you could tell that it was extraordinary
and anomalous. It was not human.” The craft was metallic, pearly white, and
about the size of an SUV.
Normally,
I am skeptical of these sorts of claims and I believe we all should be as well.
However, my own experiences in both Air Force and Army intelligence suggests
there might be some truth to it.
Because
of my status in the military, that is as an intelligence officer, and because
some knew of my interest in UFOs, I occasionally received nuggets of
information about UFO cases that haven’t been reported or that have had little
military interest. Bob Cornett and I might have been among the first to gain
access to the Project Blue Book records while they were still housed as Maxwell
Air Force Base and had not been redacted, taking out the names of the
witnesses.
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| Bob Cornett reviewing UFO records while on assignment from a magazine in the 1970s. |
One
of the first cases we wanted to see was from November 1953 that involved the
disappearance of an Air Force fighter. The Blue Book file was just two pages
and it was noted that it was an aircraft accident rather than a UFO report.
According to an Air Force colonel who was stationed at Kinross Air Force Base
said that in November 1953, a jet fighter was scrambled to intercept an unknown
target, meaning a UFO, over the Soo Locks on Lake Superior. The intercept was
watched on radar, the two blips, that is the UFO and the jet, merged but never
separated. That single blip flew off the scope and disappeared in the distance.
From the point of the merge, there had been no further communication with the
fighter. The jet was never found. The colonel told me that there had been two
schools of thought. One was that the UFO abducted the jet and the second was
that it had crashed into the lake.
That
is the sort of thing that I believe David Grusch heard when he talked about UFO
crashes. People who were at the right place at the right time to know something
more than the public provided that information. The colonel believed that the
jet had been abducted, or in his words, the UFO took it. I wasn’t there, but
the source had been. I knew him and he was credible but then where do you go
with such a tale. If it is highly classified, how do I, as a civilian now,
break through that barrier. Besides, attempts to learn more about it, other
than the mundane and unclassified, have failed. I’m pointed back to the
information and documentation that I already had.
In
a somewhat similar vein, Don Schmitt and I interviewed a general at the
Pentagon. Well, interviewed might be an over statement. He agreed to meet us in
a snack bar on one of the lowest levels. The tables were about waist high or
higher, so that people had a place to set a plate, but there were no stools. It
was a get in, get your food, eat it and get out place.
We
wanted to talk about the Roswell case. Don had apparently chatted with him at
some point, explaining what we were after which is information about Roswell.
By this time, we had talked to many witnesses to the crash and knew more about
it. We had rejected the balloon answer and had even interviewed three of those
who had been in General Ramey’s office on July 8, 1947.
We
were inside the Pentagon for about fifteen or twenty minutes. The general
didn’t look nervous. He just told us that there was an area in the Pentagon to
which he had no access. He said that our Roswell information was there. He
didn’t elaborate. Just hinted that highly classified information about Roswell was
in that area, and those entering had to have a specific request and their time
in that area was limited. I would later talk to another man who had said he had
seen the classified version Project Blue Book and described for me. He said he
saw some of the pictures of crashed UFOs and the recovery operations that had
been conducted. I don’t know if these classified Blue Book files were part of
that section of the Pentagon to which the general had referred.
I
have also talked with another general who said he knew the photographer who
photographed Roswell bodies, but didn’t provide very much information about
that. I need to point out that by the time the information got to me, it was
third-hand. The general hadn’t seen the pictures, he had just talked to one of
those men who took them.
I
suppose I should mention the retired MSGT who said that he’d provided the rawin
target for the Roswell explanation. What he had said to Cornett and me, was
that he had taken a balloon into an area to show the witnesses what they had
seen. This was before I had talked with Irving Newton, the weather officer who
identified the wreckage in Fort Worth. He said they didn’t have rawin targets
on the FWAAF, but did know where to get one if it was needed.
The
MSGT was careful about what he told us, but the implication was that he had
taken the balloon around the Roswell area. I have assumed that it was part it
was part of the 1947 cover up, but when Bob and I talked to him, neither of us
knew much about the Roswell case. I had read Frank Edward’s laughable
description of the Roswell case in his Flying Saucers – Serious Business,
but that didn’t contain much information other than it happened near Roswell
and the Air Force had explained it, in Edward’s words, as a pie tin hooked to a
kite.
All these are incidents, in which I was involved to some extent. Like those being talked about today, they suggest that these retrievals do happen. Sometimes the information is limited and we must deduce where it is going. Sometimes it is more explicit. What it does confirm is there was a cover up then and it remains in place now.
6 comments:
Dear Dr. Randle,
I still don't know what to make of Sgt. Stone. If I may, there are three points that came to mind while reading your article. 1. I had found that in 1948, before there was a NATO, the two most sensitive Intelligence subjects were handled through ARMY ID's Intelligence Group via Top Secret: METRIC and Top Secret: COSMIC. Therefore, before there was NATO, there was COSMIC. Is NATO's COSMIC different than Army IDs COSMIC?...I don't know, except that they were both the highest levels of secret. 2. My step dad and I discussed the Kinross incident. All he would say was that "yes...some strange things were going on, but all of that was handled from McChord Field." 3. After going through the MOGUL files, I found that MOORE was positive about them NOT EVER utilizing RAWIN targets in their flights. That when they utilized the sona-buoy configuration they didn't require reflectors. That would absolutely rule out the material in Ramey's office as having any connection to MOGUL.
Thank You and have a great day.
Kevin,
There are several indications suggesting that Jake Barber might not be exactly who he claims to be. This Reddit post raises doubts about his statements regarding his military career:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/FSooJQGsHu
I strongly recommend reading both the post itself and the discussion that has developed in the comments.
Honestly, the more time goes by, the more I am convinced that all the personalities who have emerged in recent years — such as Grusch, Elizondo, Barber, and others — are nothing more than disinformation agents working on behalf of the Pentagon. We constantly see these grand announcements about revelations that are supposed to change the world, yet they always result in absolutely nothing, with a complete lack of solid evidence.
Elizondo claimed that something extremely significant would happen by 2024, yet nothing has happened. The same Elizondo who claimed to have psychic powers but has yet to prove it. Then Grusch stated that he would soon present additional proof to support his previous claims, yet he has completely disappeared. And now we have Barber, who claims that the government possesses psychic agents capable of interfering with UFO propulsion systems and causing them to crash. Seriously, the more I analyze these statements, the more it appears to be a vast and deliberate disinformation campaign.
I believe in extraterrestrial visitation to Earth and I am convinced that certain UFO crashes are real, but the more I look at how the UFO topic has been handled in recent years, the more I am convinced that the government has deliberately used the phenomenon to distract the population while simultaneously using individuals like Grusch, Elizondo, and Barber to spread absurd stories without any evidence whatsoever, in order to make the topic look ridiculous.
In 1999, just before my retirement from the USAF, I had dinner with Col Bill Coleman and a few other gentlemen. Col Coleman described his encounter with a flying disk in broad daylight while he was flying a USAF B-25 in 1955, enroute from Andrews AFB MD to Greenville AFB. Recently I found a video from the late 1980's that featured Col Coleman describing that encounter, and his description of the disk was somewhat different from what he described ten years later, mainly in terms of the size of the disk. Following the encounter, then-Major Coleman had the other men on board the B-25 separately describe what they had observed, and after finding that their observations agreed, filed a Blue Book report. Five years later he was assigned to the Pentagon, working as a Public Information Officer and was told by his boss that he was going to be PIO for project Blue Book. He responded that his boss had best hear of his own UFO experience before making making that decision and related his B-25 encounter. His boss responded tat they had best leave the decision up to the Secretary of the Air Force and took him in to see the SECAF. When he described the 1955 encounter the SECAF responded that he sounded like the most qualified person he could imagine. Then-Major Coleman then used his new access to the Blue Book files to review his own B-25 encounter report - and found that it was not there!
So, we have on one hand, the SECAF himself being utterly unconcerned about a UFO witness serving as official spokesman while "someone else" is removing potentially "explosive" evidence from the official files. That says a great deal about the difficulties of studying this subject. As for the Jake Barber interview, I watched the news piece and it was never quite clear to me just what his specific expertise was, although there may be other classified aspects of his service that may explain that.
Bob -
I can help you out here. The first time I met Stone, he insisted on a meeting at the Burger King on North Main St. He showed up in uniform. He didn't want to meet me at his house until we had a chance to talk, but his address was in the Roswell telephone book.
We eventually went to his house. Once inside, he excused himself, went to his car and returned carrying documents with a top secret cover sheet. I told Don that unless he had an approved vault in his bedroom, he was going to jail. It also told me something about his personality.
He misinterpreted documents, telling us that a South American pilot had fired on a UFO, hit it with a missile but it did no good. What the document said was they had fired on the UFO without results, not exactly the same thing.
There is nothing in his service record to suggest any sort of specialized training, he graduated from high school but had no college. Everything in the record, other than basic training was for clerical work and his assignments all reflected that. There was no reason that he would have been selected for any sort of intelligence work or for highly classified assignments. And, yes, the schools he attended, both military and civilian would have been listed and any special skills would have been noted.
He claimed to have seen the faked alien autopsy film when it was first provided to high ranking officers. He and another soldier peaked through a gap in the curtains where it was being shown. However, as an Intelligence Officer, I was responsible for the security around classified briefings. I made sure there were no gaps in the curtains, I had guards posted on the doors, and we made sure there was no one in a position to compromise the briefings.
There is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he was engaged in anything doing with UFOs or crash/retrievals. You can remove him from your list of credible sources.
Spartacus01
I have said, repeatedly, that the problem with this latest crew of "whistleblowers" is that they provide nothing in the way of evidence. I have published postings here outlining those problems and years after the first of them appeared, we still have no good evidence.
Clifford Stone is not credible. Period.
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