Wednesday, September 01, 2021

Gunfights with Alien Beings

 

Here’s a bizarre one. As some of you know, I had been reviewing the Kelly-Hopkinsville UFO encounter from August 1955. I say bizarre because I don’t know of another case that quite mirrors it. There are some that come close, but as they say, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. What struck me here was that the witnesses engaged the alien “stalkers” with firearms that had no effect on those creatures. I’m not going to argument the merits of the case here, only focus on one aspect of it, and that is the gunfire.

To recap briefly, Billy Ray Taylor had gone to the well out behind the Sutton house and saw something strange fly over. No one else in the house, and there were quite a few of them, had seen or heard anything. They weren’t buying the flying saucer story but then, not long afterward, the dog began to howl, so Taylor and Elmer “Lucky” Sutton went out to investigate. They saw a strange glow in the field and in that glow there seemed to be a strange man some three to three and a half feet tall, with a large head, thin arms and talons for feet. Oh, and big eyes.

The creature began to move toward the house and the two men retreated. They picked up a couple of weapons, either a shotgun and a rifle or a shotgun and a pistol. When the being was inside twenty feet of the door, both men fired at it. The creature flipped backwards, as if struck by either the shotgun pellets or the bullets from the other weapon. It leaped to its feet and fled.

The creature, or one like it, reappeared and was shot at. One was on a fence post, one in a tree and one on the roof of the porch. That’s not to say there were three creatures, because they were appearing one at a time. There was only one occasion when two were seen at once. They were shot at, apparently hit, would float down or flip over, but would then jump up and run away.

This went on for several hours. The family, at one point, jumped into cars and fled into town to alert the local law enforcement. A number of law enforcement officers along with some military police, returned with the family but found no evidence of the alien creatures. Once everyone left the house, the family went to bed but one of the creatures returned. About dawn the whole thing was over.

There was evidence of the shooting, however. Bullet holes were found in the screens and in some of the siding on the house. There are reports that the neighbors heard the gunfire and shotgun shells were found. There was no evidence that the creatures had been harmed by the bullets, and there was no evidence of Great Horned Owls had been the culprits as was later alleged. For those who would like a little more information, you can find it here:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/08/chasing-footnotes-kelly-hopkinsville.html

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/08/chasing-footnotes-kelly-hopkinsville_18.html

This got me to thinking about this sort of thing. Hostile encounters between humans and aliens. Normally, the attitude is that the aliens make the hostile moves, but I have found a number of cases in which the hostility seemed to have flowed in the other direction.

In an event that took place in November, 1961, but not reported until sometime later, Don Flickinger, a government agent, said that he had received the information in 1968 about a close encounter incident. Flickinger learned of the UFO sighting from a man identified only as “S”.

According to the tale, S and his pals had been hunting and were returning home when they saw something bright descending. Terrain got in the way and they lost sight of the object. They thought it was a plane crash and rushed to help. They saw, about fifty yards away, an object they said looked like a silo sticking in the ground.

To get a better look, they used a spotlight. Near the “silo” were four human looking beings. It was then that there was a “whoosh” and the men thought the silo, the wrecked airplane, had blown up.

As the men returned to the car, they spotted the object again. Near it was one of the figures, apparently dressed in a white coverall. It was estimated to be about five feet tall, though I’m not sure how accurate that estimate is. That figure, being, attempted to wave them away.

The men left, drove into town, thought to be Martin, North Dakota, and located a police officer. They all drove back to the site after convincing the cop that they weren’t drunk. There was nothing to see except some lights that looked like the taillights on a car. They could find nothing in the field. With nothing else to see, everyone left that site.

Two miles down the road, the object reappeared. It landed about 150 yards away. Two figures from the craft appeared watching the men. They plugged in their spotlight. Two of the men got out of the car, one of them carrying a .22 Hornet rifle. The man with the weapon dropped to a prone position and fired one shot. One of the beings reacted, struck high in the shoulder. He was assisted to his feet by the other and shouted, “Now, what in the hell did you do that for?”

Although it seems that S believed that this was some sort of Air Force project, there were no repercussions. It is highly unlikely this was a terrestrial project. However, the only name associated with the case is Flickinger, and he wasn’t with the men. He heard the story from S. He also mentioned that one of the men was an Air Force NCO who was honorably discharged from the Air Force a few years after the shooting.

A better documented case took place at Fort Dix/McGuire Air Force Base in 1978. Here we have the name of a witness who was there at the time. According to what George Filer, a retired major, said that it was after midnight on January 18, when Army military police chased something that stopped and hovered. The jeep’s headlights showed some sort of weird creature that was about four feet tall with a large head and big black eyes. An MP apparently fired five rounds at it. The being, injured, attempted to escape by crossing the fence line between Dix and McGuire. It collapsed on a runway near a hangar, dying from the wounds.

Filer said that he arrived at the base at the normal time and realized that something was going on. He had to show his ID to get on the base, something that wasn’t normal. When he arrived at this office, an NCO told him that an alien had been killed, explaining that it was not human but something from outer space. Filer was to gather information to brief General Thomas Sadler.

Filer thought it was a joke and one that the general wouldn’t appreciate. He then called various offices and each of the people he spoke to verified the event. Filer began to prepare his report but a senior officer beat him to it.

Most of these sorts of things, humans firing at UFOs and alien beings aren’t quite that spectacular. During the Levelland sightings of November 1957, Don Adams, from Edgewood, New Mexico, reported he had driven under a UFO and his car stalled. He got out, grabbed his revolver, and fired six shots, which he claimed had hit the object. He reloaded and fired another six, but the UFO had begun to move to the north, so he didn’t know if those shots had hit the object. He said that the bullets had no effect on the UFO.

The Air Force did investigate and reported that Adams was drunk at the time. He was thought to be unreliable, but since he was on his own property, he had not violated the law. The Air Force labeled the case as a hoax.

The military has also engaged objects that might be considered UFOs. During World War II, the USS Helm, fired on a disk-shaped object that had circled overhead. According to the MUFON UFO Journal article written by Paul C. Cerny and Robert Neville, a chief aboard the ship told them that in August 1942, off Guadalcanal, he had an excellent view and told them that fleet radar reported an intruder. Not long after that, there was a visual sighting. When the object was about a mile away the fleet opened fire. The object made a sharp right turn, eventually circled the fleet and then disappeared.

On March 25, 1942, the tail gunner on a Royal Air Force bomber, saw a glowing, orange disk or sphere following them. He told the pilot who also saw the UFO. When it was about 100 yards from the plane, the gunner fired, hit the object but saw no effect. The UFO finally disappeared.

Colonel Oscar Santa Maria Huerta at
the National Press Club in 2013.
Keeping with the international flavor of this, Peruvian Air Force fighter pilot, then Lieutenant Oscar Santa Maria Huerta, on April 11, 1980, attempted to shoot down some sort of a silver object near this airfield. When first spotted, the UFO was about two and a half miles away, and about 1800 feet in the air. It was not responding to any radio transmissions from the air field.

Huerta, approached the object and began his attack. He said that he fired a short burst of 30 mm rounds, that should have taken out anything nearby. Although just one of the rounds would have shredded a car and he thought that the balloon would be torn open by the rounds. He told me, in 2013, that he hit the object multiple times but there was no effect on it.

At that point the UFO began a rapid climb. Huerta, flying a Soviet designed SU-22, used the afterburners in an attempt to catch the object. The UFO stopped and Huerta lined up another shot but before he could fire, the UFO began another high-speed maneuver. He tried a couple of times to gain a firing position but the UFO continued to evade him.

Running low on fuel, he decided to try to get a better look at the UFO. He said it was about 33 feet in diameter with a shiny, cream-colored dome, looking like a light bulb that had been cut in half. There were no wings, propulsion jets, exhausts, antenna or windows.

Huerta had to return to base. He turned and began a zig-zagged descent, hoping the UFO wouldn’t follow him. The UFO remained in place for about two hours after Huerta attempted to shoot it down. The incident was the subject of a July 1980 Department of Defense document entitled “UFO Sighted in Peru.” It concludes by saying that the object was not identified.

The point here is that there are many encounters in which we Terrans (a much better term than Earthlings) fired on the UFO. Sometimes it was officially sanctioned, sometimes it was frightened men and women and, of course, there are always the drunks. This survey is nowhere near complete. I know of many other events. However, a search of the UFO literature can take many days and I would ask for help. Send me any instances in which we opened fire. Just a source would be fine so that I might look it up. A few details would help. I’ll compile a compendium of these instances, whether military or civilian. This is an area I believe has been overlooked.

15 comments:

jeff thompson said...

I think I've figured out the Kelly-Hopkinsville case. I think one word explains it all: BEER.

Too much beer. There, that takes care of it.

KRandle said...

Sorry but beer doesn't work. Law enforcement, who were returned to the farm house with the family said that there was no evidence of drinking. In fact, it was a misplaced footnote in a scientific paper that started this in which it was suggested that the family had been drunk, citing Davis and Bloecher as the source, except when you looked up the source, it said the opposite.

Matt Wiser said...

Would the Battle of LA in 1942 count? 1400+ rounds of 3-inch AAA ammo would certainly not make a favorable impression on any ETs if it was a UFO event.

There was an incident at Fort Beaufort, SA, on 26 June 1972, where a farmer and later, two policemen, shot at what was first described as a fireball by the farmer, and after the lawmen arrived, a gunmetal grey, oval-shaped, 44 gallon drum. The object was also seen by several other (unarmed) witnesses.

Not sure how reliable it is, but in Keyhoe's Aliens From Space, he mentions a Dutch F-86 pilot who tried shooting a Sidewinder missile at a UFO in 1962. And there is the story in Ruppelt's book about a USAF F-86 pilot who tried shooting down a saucer with his six .50 caliber machine guns (failed).

No doubt there are others, but I'll do some more digging in my UFO library to see if there are any other shooting incidents (no doubt there have been some in war zones).

J.P. Pelzman said...

Granted, it wasn't a being per se, but an alleged incident in which an American military boat/cruiser fired on two UFOs in the DMZ with no effect in 1968 in Vietnam. Season 2, Episode 1, UFOs at War on the execrable Hangar 1.

I'm surprised Project Blue Book didn't have J. Allen Hynek confront an alien with a .44 Magnum and say, 'do ya feel lucky, punk?' Maybe they would have in season 3.

Louis Nicholson said...

Well, all I know is that those aliens better not land in Texas now that any yahoo without a background check or proper training can carry a firearm without a permit!

KRandle said...

I will note that Iowa has a a similar law... but to purchase a firearm in Iowa and in Texas, a background check is required. I really don't want to get into a debate about the Second Amendment, but it is quite clear about the right to keep and bear arms... or is it the right to arm bears...

Brian Chapman said...

A topic that has intrigued me as well. Here are some references I’ve noted over the years.

Barker, They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers (1956, 1997), 81. (Conway, SC)

Raymond Fowler, Casebook of a UFO Investigator, Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, Inc., 1981, p. 45; Frank Edwards, Flying Saucers Here and Now, 52-3. (John King, 1966)

Condon Report (pb), 331-2. “A security guard, on night duty at a lumber yard, reported firing six shots at a UFO, and later, finding four of the flattened bullets which he said had fallen to the ground.” 1967 hoax.

Bartholomew, UFOs and Alien Contact, 314. After a hunter shoots an alien, it yells, “Now what the hell did you do that for?” (US 1961). Also Lewis, UFOs and Popular Culture, 227; Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1960-1964, 87-8.

Bartholomew, 342. After a hunter shoots at a UFO, there is a flash of light and the man is burned, Australia, 1968.

Bartholomew, 353. Man shoots alien, Pennsylvania, 1973.

Lorenzen, Flying Saucer Occupants (pb), 99. Italy 1954.

Vallee, Passport to Magonia. 69, 108, 345, 348, 372, 583, 736.

Vallee, Confrontations, 110. US soldier shoots UFO, Korea, 1951.

Hynek, The UFO Experience (pb). 164, North Dakota, 1961.

Fowler, The Watchers, 71-2. Buenos Aires, 1978.

Frank B. Salisbury, "Are UFOs from Outer Space?," in Curtis Fuller et al, eds., Proceedings of the First International UFO Conference, 113. "I know of one case in the Uintah Basin where an Indian shot at a UFO with his deer rifle and heard the bullet ricochet off.”

Evans, The Evidence for UFOs, 80. In 1954 a Frenchman shot at a figure he thought was a Martian "in the process of repairing his flying saucer," which turned out to be his neighbor fixing his car. The car was damaged. (Case not included in Passport to Magonia.)

Jacques Vallee, UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union, 82-5. Isidro Puentes Ventura, a reservist in the Cuban army, shot his machine gun at a UFO in 1968."

Al Feldstein (script) & George Roussos (art), “The Escape.” Weird Science #8, July-August 1951. Farmer, thinking an astronaut in a space suit who has parachuted onto his field is a Martian, shoots him dead.

Preston Dennett, Not From Here: Selected UFO Articles, Volume One (2016), 48-64. (= “UFO – Don’t Shoot!” MUFON UFO Journal, March 1993.) (Shooting at UFOs and aliens.)

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1955-1959, 127-8. UFO shot down, killing four aliens (New Mexico 1957).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1965-1969, 182. Alien shot six times by witness (Brazil 1967).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1970-1974, 84. A farmer shoots and kills an alien. Other aliens later kill the farmer (Iowa 1971).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1970-1974, 162. Hunter shoots and wounds alien, who is carried off by its companions (Italy 1972).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1975-1979, 246. Farmer shoots, wounds alien trying to steal one of his dogs (New Zealand 1977).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1975-1979, 262. Sgt. Jeff Morse shoots alien five times, killing it (New Jersey 1978).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1980-1984, 114-5. UFO shot down; two dead aliens (Russia 1981). 117. Alien shot, injured (Brazil 1981).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 1985-1989. 20-1, Alien from landed saucer shot by soldiers; three other aliens captured, but disappear from cells (Siberia, 1985).

Albert Rosales, Humanoid Encounters 2010-2015, 160. Abductee Alberto Tavernisse shoots and kills alien; body retrieved by other aliens. (Argentina, 2015).

Thiago Ticchetti, UFO Contacts in Brazil, 85-8. Ignacio de Sousa shoots an alien, then is struck by a beam of green light; he dies from leukemia 2 months later (1967). 132-4, Amiro de Freitas shoots at UFO 3 times, is then hit with a beam of light that leaves him blind for 2 weeks and unable to urinate for 2 days (1970).

Louis Nicholson said...

Kevin, the new Texas gun law (which just went into effect) no longer require background checks.

see:
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033606817/texas-gun-law-permitless-carry-constitutional-carry

KRandle said...

Louis -

Once again I do not wish to engage in this political debate. I said, to PURCHASE a firearm REQUIRES a background check. To CARRY that FIREARM, once purchased, does not require a background check. Two separate issues though related.

Louis Nicholson said...

I don't know why you are so sensitive about this, Kevin. I was not attempting to engage in any political debate. I was making an obvious joke about people carrying (NOT PURCHASING) a firearm and aliens. Maybe I should be as sensitive about your obvious joke about arming bears, but that would be silly.

Since you are so sensitive about an obvious joke about firearms perhaps you should not mention anything about them in your blog. I certainly will think twice before making any more jokes about firearms (or anything else) in this blog.

And by the way, again not making a political statement, but stating a fact in reference to an issue YOU brought up, Texas DOES NOT require background checks of those purchasing guns from private parties. Texas licensed gun dealers must still comply with federal law by contacting the FBI to do background checks.



Olden said...

In the November/December, 1967 issue of NICAP’s “The U.F.O.Investigator,” Volume IV, Number 3, on page 5, there is an article entitled, “What To Do In A Close-Range UFO Sighting.” The article mentions a case in Utah, where “Michael Compeadors emptied his pistol clip at a domed flying-disc a few yards above his car. The bullets ricocheted, he said, with no apparent effect on the UFO.”

Mr. Randle cites the late Len Stringfield’s account of an armed conflict between a US military group and the crew of a crashed or landed UFO near Xenia, Ohio during the late 1970s, in his book, “The History of Crashed UFOs.”

Of course, retired USAF Major George Filer III, alleged that a US Army sentry shot an E.T., who was trying to re-enter a hovering UFO at Fort Dix, New Jersey in 1978. The wounded alien supposedly managed to climb a fence to make it onto the tarmac at adjacent McGuire AFB, where USAF air policemen discovered the dead body there, before I identified USAF personnel secured the area and later flew the corps to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio.

KRandle said...

Louis -

Sorry, I missed the joke... my fault...

And yes, private purchases do not require a background check...

Brian Chapman said...

This tragic story was suppressed by the major news media. Roger Morton, “Farmer Shoots 3-Fingered Space Alien! Man thought creature was flipping him ‘the bird’.” Weekly World News, 12 May 1992, p. 37; 8 October 1996, pp. 36-7.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=rvEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=%22weekly+world+News%22+farmer+alien+peace&source=bl&ots=JG83diPxoI&sig=ACfU3U2c7Lz1103ULCYmSGlKvtNugaf_VA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5uPCavPXyAhVKqp4KHTN6AAIQ6AF6BAhhEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

KRandle said...

Brian -

I truly hope that you don't take this seriously. I sincerely hope you forwarded it with your tongue firmly in cheek.

Brian Chapman said...

Kevin, your hopes are confirmed.