Thursday, September 22, 2016

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Curt Collins

This week’s show concerned the Roswell Slides and the Cash/Landrum sighting of December 1980. The guest was Curt Collins who runs the Blueblurrylines website that can be found at The show can be heard here:

While I hadn’t planned to spend much time on the Roswell Slides, Collins provided some information that is important to those who read this blog and who have an interest in the Roswell Slides. He pointed out that according to what Don Schmitt said prior to the May 5, 2015, presentation in Mexico City, he had seen slides, and in fact was the first to meet with the owner (though it isn’t clear if he meant Adam Dew or Joe Beason). You can hear his statements of April 12,2015 here:

The relevant section comes at about the 106:00 point of the interview and with Tom Carey and then Don Schmitt talking about seeing the slides.

Tom Carey talked about the high resolution scans when he gave another interview on April 20, 2015 which can be heard here:

Tom Carey talks about receiving the high resolution scans of the slides in an email at 131:30 and then provides descriptions at 137:00 and 141:00.

You can also read, in detail, the story of the slides on this blog beginning in the months prior to the reveal in Mexico City. Just use the search engine and Roswell Slides. There is also a long chapter about them in Roswell in the 21st Century.

While we didn’t get to the Cash/Landrum sighting until later in the show, you can find out more about it at:

Next week’s show: Carol Rainey

Topic: Abductions


Curt Collins said...

My apologies to Kevin and his listeners for extending the "Roswell Slides" portion of the show beyond the allotted time, but I felt discussing the story as a (failed) UFO investigation was important. Unfortunately that left time only to cover only an intro to the Cash-Landrum case, and we barely got to mention the more recent discoveries and devlopments.

One thing I hope someone here can help me with:
The original Project VISIT Cash-Landrum case report by John Schuessler was sent to MUFON, APRO, CUFOS and maybe a few other places. It's an important historical record of the case, and yet in years of searching, unfamiliar been unable to obtain a copy. I'd like to see that made available and openly shared. If anyone can help with that, please let me know.

zoamchomsky said...

>> Vickie initially reported "There was nothing happened to me but my eyes is burned," while photos (dates unknown but presumably later) purport to show localized spotty burns or scars from burns to the arm, hand and forehead resulting from exposure to heat radiating from the "UFO." Certainly Vickie would know and would say if she had been burned. But no, Vickie got burned later, somehow.

>> Relatively distant radiating sources cannot produce localized effects composed of well-defined spots. As with the rest of their phony "UFO" narrative, it's nonsense, it's simply not the way things are and work. One cannot be NOT burned after a "UFO" encounter and later exhibit burns attributed to that event and be believed by rational people.

>> Just as one doesn't later claim that "We thought it was the end of time" but during the event, get out of her car and walk toward that frightening apocalyptic vision of intense heat and light for a closer look and be taken seriously because no one, not even good ol' Betty, would do that.

>> Exactly like the ridiculously stupid and impossible details of heat and radiation, which--if true--would have burnt them immediately and killed them in days! And the very same is true of every other bit of their fantastic celestial, and horribly noisy, event over northeastern Houston that somehow tens of thousands failed to observe, an event that--if real--would have made LIVE TV news but didn't!

>> "...over toward Crosby and Intercontinental Airport was the way they were."--BC Yeah, right, Betty! And let's hear that East-Texas drawl again: "We thought it was the end of time."

And not two or three but TWENTY-THREE Chinooks! And about two dozen other tells in their laughably dopey and impossible "Maury Island Meets TDTESS and the Apocalypse" conspiracy retread. "You gonna see a man, and that man's gonna be Jesus."--VL

Why would anyone consider this obvious make-it-up tabloid trash for even a second?

Read all about this crude hoax at Curt's "Blue Blurry Lines."

Curt Collins said...

Zoam, you raise some valid points, but your comments betray a stubborn bias and a lack of imagination. You've failed to consider that the witnesses may have been hexed by a witch.

More seriously, I can't understand your hostility to the witnesses. Any animosity should be directed towards the UFO investigators and organizations that promoted the case. They presented only the evidence that supported the story, and buried anything that might damage it.

purrlgurrl said...

Zoam - I believe they actually saw something unusual they couldn't explain or understand based on their knowledge and experience.

All the rest of it was prompted by spurious and overzealous, obsessed UFO believers and tabloid publications and TV . . . just like Roswell.

Lose the condescension to the witnesses.

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Wayne Patterson said...

There was no indication that these ladies lied, and their injuries baffled the doctors involved. The immediate repaving of the road adds to the case. People like Chomsky show why Cody, now grown shows bitterness toward people who want to question him. The ladies had no reason, nor means to stage a hoax, and suffered from this. Yes Chomsky, a contemptible post, just like the writings of your namesake.....he would be so proud.

zoamchomsky said...

Curt; I hate to see a good guy enchanted by such a bogus story. But you've done excellent work on it in your pursuit of truth so I suppose as a hobby it's time well spent. Life is short.

PG; I accept that people see things in the sky they fail to identify, but not all "UFO" stories are the results of such real experiences. People often make up stories out of nothing and manufacture evidence, we call these hoaxes. The usual reasons are attention and money. I'm not fond of hoaxsters.

There is simply no way that Betty and Vickie could have seen what they say--a glowing, flaming diamond the size of a water tower--on the shore of Lake Houston and all of Kingwood and Humble not see it. And then there were two dozen large and noisy Chinook helicopters that arrived and escorted the "unidentified flying water tower" west for all of northern Houston to see. It didn't happen.

And like some phony flying-saucer photo, Betty and Vickie's stupid self-inflicted injuries were merely evidence that the event of their otherwise evidenceless and laughably impossible story never occurred.

Check out the video where Betty says, "We thought it was the end of time." And in it Vickie repeats her version, telling Colby, "You gonna see a man, and that man's gonna be Jesus."

Like every other aspect of this story, it just doesn't make sense: It's an apocalyptic vision but Betty gets out of the car and walks toward it for a closer look? No way. It's an apocalyptic vision but the USAF is responsible for their (superficial, self-inflicted) injuries? Absurd.

PG; It's all nothing but a homespun "flying saucer" conspiracy mashup of Maury Island and Falcon Lake--both hoaxes--TDTESS and the Invaders TV show, and a few other things.

Wayne Patterson said...

Sure zoam, they "couldn't have seen" what they saw in a rural wooded area at night, because you "know" everything that exists.....
The ladies " laughable injuries" disturbed the hospital physician, because he wasn't as clever as you.
And the "hilarity" of their religious based fears are really a hoot for a clever fellow like you.....those dimwit flyover country trash, right?
I am always amazed when I see someone educated beyond their native intelligence

KRandle said...

All -

The one point on all this that has disturbed me, and I have pointed it out repeatedly is that no one ever found a sign of all those helicopters. It's just not so many, but the time of the year and the logistics necessary to move that many helicopters into the area with no sign of them ever being found. You have two pilots for each aircraft, you have other air crewmen, you have support people, fuel requirements, billeting for everyone, a need to feed them. There would be a huge footprint for the military presence, not to mention that at that time of the year many of those whose jobs are critical are on leave.

Wayne Patterson said...

I know for a fact that southern air transport, in the 1980s, had a number of ch47 and ch46 (navy helicopters that resemble 47s very much) in their inventory....They operated as a cia front,, the new air America if you will in central America, south America and Africa and mid east...They also had access to supposed us military "boneyard" aircraft, many of which were kept airworthy. I flew on their aircraft in el Salvador and Honduras.and their records are not going to be found. Beyond that, the ladies might have seen a smaller number of birds orbiting and took them as different aircraft each time. I think they saw something unnatural, and what it was is up for debate. But to insult them in such ignorant bigoted ways is pretty low, and unworthy of respect. I thank you kevin for allowing our responses

zoamchomsky said...

Exactly, Kevin, on all practical points. Things that hoaxsters never consider when spinning their tall tales. What kept Betty from turning her car around and speeding away from that apocalyptic vision heat and light?

How do two dozen Chinooks converge on a point and do any more than what two or four might do? How many are necessary to wrangle a failing ET spacecraft or black project the size of a water tower? As if the entire scenario even makes sense, it doesn't.

Just as with so much of the rest of their flying-saucer fairy tale, it's narrative overkill, as if they thought more Chinooks made a more impressive story, when what it really does is make their story all the more implausible.

"We thought it was the end of time." A dramatic but empty sci-fi trope that Betty had heard repeatedly over decades. Just as she had been exposed to a range of "UFO" conspiracy narrative tropes and incorporated them into her story. Who put the "government conspiracy" spin onto it all is a question for C-L expert Curt Collins to answer.

Vickie reported she wasn't burned a month after--"only my eyes is burned"--but later posed for pictures of burns to her hands, arm and forehead. Betty claimed the heat was so intense that Vickie's hand left an impression in the padded dash when bracing herself on their sudden stop. It was that hot inside the car when first seeing the object above the trees and at a distance? And then Betty gets out of the car and walks toward the intense heat and light? Apparently not only did Betty have a problem with "the end of time," she had a problem with the logic of time, cause and effect, and the plain old logic of good sense and how people actually behave.

But then Betty wasn't reporting real events to the best of her ability, she was making it all up, and it was her narrative creation skills that were lacking.

A glowing, flaming diamond-shaped craft the size of a water tower on the eastern shore of Lake Houston at night with thousands of people, if not tens of thousands, even in 1980, within a one mile radius in Huffman and Kingwood. And then the whole impossible assembly flew west across Humble and Houston airport--the City of Houston--without tens of thousands and LIVE TV news seeing it all. Not possible.

Some say they can't understand why anyone would doubt Betty and Vickie's story, but I say there's not one bit of it that even begins to be true. Their illogical story with hyperbolic enhancements and phony burns from a household chemical or heat lamp are the only evidence--evidence of nothing but a crude hoax.