This week's show with Don Schmitt has been the cause of a great deal of anticipation and a couple of dozen emails. It can be found
following this link:
https://youtu.be/fo-gK4nwZ_k
The program will air on the X-Zone Broadcast Network on Saturday and Sunday at 9 - 10 EDT which translates to 6 - 7 PDT.
For those who wish to comment on the content, you can do that in the comments section here. Given the guest and the topic, that could be interesting.
Next week's guest: Ben Moss and Tony Angiola
Next week's guest: Ben Moss and Tony Angiola
Topic: Their investigation into the Lonnie Zamora sighting.
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IF you are willing to buy Don Schmitt's story about the slides, I suggest you watch these two video clips.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jm4kz_entrevista-jaime-maussan-a-donald-schmitt-bewitness-se-testigo_fun
http://www.streaminglatam.com/vod/index.php/video/1330/don-schmitt-y-tom-carey-despues-de-bewitness/
The first is before BeWitness, where he states that the Roswell witnesses would state that the slides show what they saw in 1947 (basically calling these "the Roswell slides"). The second clip is the day after the BeWitness program. In that clip, Schmitt is giddy over the program and demanding skeptics debate the experts on their analysis. It does not sound like he had any reservations at this point. Now he is telling us on that same date, he had his doubts and demanded to see the second slide! If his story is true (which I seriously doubt), why didn't Schmitt promptly make a public statement that the slides were suspect. Instead he did nothing. His silence makes him as guilty as the others.
BTW Kevin, you keep saying that Adam Dew released the image and we then deblurred the placard. This is wrong and you need to get the facts correct. We obtained a high resolution image of the placard from a source. We deblurred that one and once it became public knowledge we had read the placard, Adam Dew challenged us to deblur his image (calling us internet trolls in the process), which we did.
Also the claim that the slide presented to Schmitt and Carey could not be deblurred is wrong. I Deblurred Bragalia's image with little difficulty and, if I recall, once he knew how, Rudiak deblurred the images he received. So, the theory the slides were manipulated is false.
Very good interview and I'm glad KR didn't skirt over the difficult questions. One notable one being at 34:37... Why didn't a "number of red flags raised here during this investigation" seem to set of alarms in Schmitt's head. ie, why didn't Schmitt take a step back.
When Don explains that all the people who he'd asked to try and read the placard came back to him and told him that the text was undecifable that should have set off alarm bells in itself."
When Dr Rudiak came back to him and said he "couldn't read a single letter."...that should have been a massive tell in itself. Considering DR has been like a dog with a bone for donkeys years over the Ramey Memo...Don should have twigged that it was overly convenient that the slide given to DR was so overly whiteflashed, that it was most certainly intended that he was never MEANT to read the thing.
This interview reinforces what I already suspected. Don and Tom are not crooked...just so incredibly gullible that you have to wonder if they should be allowed out of their houses without being in the care of a responsible grown-up. They are the two biggest losers in all this (besides the half-wits who actually paid to attend the Mexican event.)... They are actually victims because their names are forever tarnished.
For me, this is an exercise, by Slidebox Media, in showing up the weaknesses in some ufologists. KR touched on this in the interviewed when he speculated that Slidebox Media may have set the whole thing up simply to make a future documentary on how incredibly gullible certain ufo experts are. I expect we are only halfway through the "long game" that Dew and co have set up.
Tim -
I am well aware of the whole tale of where the high resolution scan came from. In May, 2015, I was told that a source had supplied the high res scan but to reveal that information could endanger that person's employment. The problem RSRG had was that they couldn't provide a provenance for the scan and were in something of a dilemma there. Dew then posted a scan to his web site and that problem was eliminated. I saw no reason to mention the source of the original scan to your group but I'm not told that the job consideration has ended. Since the story could be told without risking anyone's job by saying Dew's scan was the one used, I saw no harm in that... it's not as if I'm trying to hide information with the exception of the original source. Besides, Dew's scan
provided a better provenance.
This reminds me of Charles Moore who originally acknowledged that I has supplied the winds aloft data to him but slowly dropped my name from his reports. I even have a letter from him asking for additional charts... but we can't have someone like me providing him with the original data. After all, anyone could have gotten, except no one had until I bought the microfilm from the weather service.
I will also note there are some things about all this you do not know, but I was provided the information privately and asked to keep it to myself. This I have done. I see no need to violate a confidence in a game of one-up-man-ship.
Hello,
Tim Printy is right. I listened the show yesterday from YT, and even if English not my native tong and my difficulties when it is oral, few remarks:
1) Dew posted his high reso of the placard because the placard STILL deblurred by us and because he believed we faked it. I sent you, Kevin, the screenshoots proving it, as the "exact" time-line of the "deblur story" by RSRG and others Tim shared and provided in a SUNlite release.
Bragalia over-reacted too in Rich Reynolds blog, provided his own copies of the placard. Despite Rich removed all thread initiated by Tony, they are still available using Google cache.
In other words, with own Bragalia materials, Tim and others deblurred easy the text of the placards too. So, with the own materials of Carey, Schmitt and Bragalia, the deblur was possible. Then Adam provided them good enough materials to deblur the placard. Period.
2) As when they teased the slides, we have for example Tom Carey in a 20th April show (so before "BeWitness event") stating he was sent the TWO slides in high resolution and he was describing them and both accurately. I cant imagine or believe Don was not provided/supplied by the TWO slides as Carey was... Period.
3) If (and I dont believe it) Don had only 1 slide, blurred and cropped, before May the 5th: Why this individual and "serious" investigator accepted to defend it was an alien body (and yes, again, he stated it in several interviewes prior May the 5th, as he linked the slides to Roswell body testimoned) if he was knowing he have not ALL elements?
How it is serious to defend a claim/hypothesis of such a magnitude if you know you have not the second slide, that your copy is blurred or cropped? Only a biased and candid guy can endorse and defend such an hypothesis, if he knows he have not all the elements.
4) As Tim pointed, there were interviews the days and weeks after BeWitness event. I have never heard Don claiming something like "I discovered the second slide just "now" and I reserve what I said and claimed before, I'm sure it is in a museum now". Don defense argument appeared very later after BeWitness: it is only to save and protect his reputation, and not accurate or right. Now, if Roswell afficionados buy it, well...
It is a pity you did not challenge his (false) claims during the show, despite having all elements for this, but I understand.
Regards,
Gilles
I should no better to waste my time but.....
Paul,
Where did you get the idea that David Rudiak had received an altered image? All you are doing is buying into Schmitt's half-truths and inaccurate statements. On this Blog, David Rudiak wrote shortly after the deblurring:
"I was provided the EXACT SAME high resolution scan (plus other high resolution scans) that Dew later finally provided on his website. The only difference is Dew's web-provided scan showed the surrounding area, whereas I was provided with only the cropped area of the placard."
" There is MUCH to criticize in how Dew handled everything, but this one is baseless.
I did not receive an obscured placard 3 years ago. What I received as exactly the same high-resolution placard scan that Dew finally posted to his website after May 5."
"In fact, once I knew people were having success with Smart DeBlur, I got a copy and was very lucky to choose a setting second try that
successfully deblurred the all-caps top line on the placard scan I was sent that exactly matched what Dew put up on his website. Thus
nothing was being hidden by some imaginary manipulation of the placard image. It was there all the time to be deblurred if done right..."
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-roswell-slides-and-mummys-placard.html
Unless Rudiak is telling everyone a whole new story, which I seriously doubt, the idea that they did not have images that could be deblurred is a myth created by people wanting to make Dew to be the bad guy and absolve Carey/Schmitt/Bragalia of any wrong doing. BTW, I was able to deblur one of the scans that Bragalia had posted on UFO conjectures (and RR removed just a few days later), which he had received from Dew. Again, the idea that the placard was altered by Dew is nothing more than myth being generated by Schmitt (and others) in order to give himself an out.
The record before the BeWitness reveal shows something complete different than what Schmitt is now portraying. In a promo video (I put up the link above), Schmitt states:
"It will certainly be the most important event in our lifetime because we are demonstrating not only photographic evidence but we're also demonstrating what all these witnesses have reported to us collectively through all these years and as a result we will also be naming and pointing out one by one all of these people, who if still alive, would be able to say, "That is exactly what I saw back in July of 1947".
He goes on to state that this program was one of the most important event of the last 1000 years! For somebody who was concerned about being careful, he seemed to be "all in" at that point. It also sounds like he is linking the slides to Roswell and saying the witnesses saw this exact same body. Isn't that calling the slides the "smoking gun"?
In the other clip I posted the link to, Schmitt is practically giddy about how the skeptics were wrong about the BeWitness program the day after. This is supposedly around the same time he demanded to see the "second slide", which he claims to have never seen (although Carey has clearly described seeing both slides in interviews BEFORE BeWitness). The second slide shows the same scene as the first. Other than some different lighting (because no flash was used), we still see the same artifacts and museum setting in BOTH slides. If he realized there were problems the day after, why didn't he simply come out with a public statement right away? Instead, he said nothing, which says volumes about his integrity. Either he is not telling the truth now or he was willfully withholding the truth from everyone then. Schmitt's story is more of him spinning it to make him look innocent. He was just as guilty as Dew, Carey, Maussan, Bragalia, et. al.
Sorry, I do not buy Schmitt is 'gullible' for one single second, in my opinion he is a liar and a wannabe conman whose cannon blew up in his own face. Why was the mummy blued out at BeWitness and never shown in its original colour (red flag), why did they go to Mexico (red flag), why could I see the script wasn't script but blurry capitals within about 10 seconds and I am no amazing scientist (red flag), why didn't they offer refunds for their presentation which was based on a mummified human and not an alien, why is he showing a completely different face now to the one he showed in the interview after BeWitness, it goes on and on. He and co conman Carey tried to cash in on Roswell big time as soon as every last witness had passed away as the 'coast was clear', to finally get what they felt was just reward for a long time in the trenches and it simply blew up in their face in spectacular fashion - but with their new book out and selling I don't think they will be losing one iota of sleep over it. But why isn't the money from the book profits going to those that lost their money at BeWitness? Don are you man enough to answer this or will you just hide behind podcasts for the rest of your days?
Why was the mummy blued out at BeWitness and never shown in its original colour (red flag), why did they go to Mexico (red flag)
Hello TheDimov,
Why was the mummy blued out at BeWitness and never shown in its original colour
I watched (and payed^^) for the conference in streaming.
Imho, if the "slides" were "blued", it is not deliberated. It was simply because the cameras filmed the room screen, so to speak, and the "pale blue" lights of the room (in order the public can see the screen but not being in total darkness) "enlighted/blued" the screen where slides, video, etc. were projected and recorded by the indoor cameras.
Regards,
Gilles
Paul wrote:
"This interview reinforces what I already suspected. Don and Tom are not crooked...just so incredibly gullible that you have to wonder if they should be allowed out of their houses without being in the care of a responsible grown-up. They are the two biggest losers in all this (besides the half-wits who actually paid to attend the Mexican event.)... They are actually victims because their names are forever tarnished."
Please. The only one gullible her is you Paul. These guys aren't stupid, and Carey has a PhD.
EVERYTHING says these two were just looking for the next "promotable" for Roswell believers. They have changed their stories to SAVE their reputations. Con artists aren't "victims".
You are so lost in your own gullibility you just can't see it....
Look at the WHOLE picture, not just one "snippet".
Paul wrote: (part 1 of 2)
Don explains that all the people who he'd asked to try and read the placard came back to him and told him that the text was undecifable that should have set off alarm bells in itself."
When Dr Rudiak came back to him and said he "couldn't read a single letter."...that should have been a massive tell in itself. Considering DR has been like a dog with a bone for donkeys years over the Ramey Memo...Don should have twigged that it was overly convenient that the slide given to DR was so overly whiteflashed, that it was most certainly intended that he was never MEANT to read the thing.
Again for the record:
I was provided good quality high-resolution scans of the placard ONLY by Tom Carey from the beginning. It was NOT "overly whiteflashed" and Tom very much hoped I could read it.
The problems with reading this were very different ones than the Ramey memo. I realized from the beginning that the main problem was that the letters lacked clarity because they were seriously blurred. If there was any hope of unabiguously reading the thing, it had to be deblurred first. I downloaded several free deblurring problems and spent hours trying to clear things up with no success. Everything turned out to be garbage.
Again, I am not an image processing specialist. This was the first time I had ever attempted to do such a deblur. At the time I was unaware of SmartDeblur, which was eventually used to successfully deblur the image sufficiently that most could be read. The image turned out to have a combination of focus and complex motion blur which most deblurring programs have trouble dealing with. It was the complex motion blur that gave the lettering an appearance of script instead of printed letters. With most programs, the user has to guess what the motion blur might be. Had I been given the full image instead of the placard, it would have helped with figuring out the nature of the motion blur, which turned out to be V-shaped, not a straight line (thus the camera was apparently “jiggled” while the lens was open).
SmartDeblur has intelligence that most deblur programs lack that enables it to automatically hone in on the blur kernal (the mathematical function describing the full nature of the blur, in this case a combination focus and motion blur).
Still when I finally downloaded and tried it out after others had used it, even SmartDeblur turned out to be very touchy. Only a very narrow range of user pre-set parameters seemed to work. I got lucky on my second try and did a good deblur of the hi-res placard scan, but changing the parameters even a little bit gave me garbage, much like the other programs I tried.
Of course, it also wouldn't have hurt to have been given the FULL image instead of the placard only, where it is obvious that this was much more like a museum setting rather than some morgue or autopsy room. But I never saw the full image until everybody else, except for a brief glimpse Carey gave me of it when we were both together in Roswell in 2012, a low-quality dark image printed out on plain paper. (At that time I remember commenting to Tom that the head seemed much more human in appearance than I would have expected for something like an alien.)
Even with the full image, you can’t see much until you crank the brightness way up, because the image is badly underexposed. This is why the image was “light-blasted” when publicly presented, to bring out details you can’t see in the darkened raw image. It had NOTHING to do with trying to hide what the placard message said. There is so much bad speculation and misinformation out there.
(part 2 of 2)
There is absolutely NO question now that this was a mummy excavated in the late 19th century by Palmer and has NOTHING to do with Roswell. However, some of the questions raised by their forensics/medical experts in my opinion still haven't been adequately addressed, particularly the rib count being low, not matching a normal human rib count--maybe no more than 10 sets of ribs instead of the normal 12, which doesn't match any known human genetic disorder. Even if that's the case, it doesn't prove the body "alien", but might point to some new unknown human genetic disorder among the Anastazi. I thought that potentially scientifically interesting. (Also, such genetic anomalies might help explain how this got so screwed up to begin with by misleading the forensic people.)
However, when I tried to get better data from the National Park Service in the form of clear photos from various angles and the usual scientific studies undertaken by the NPS on these mummies in the form of X-rays and examination by their own experts, I was basically told repeatedly to drop dead by various NPS bureaucrats (the main one being Native American), claiming I was somehow dishonoring the body and violating the Congressional Native-American funerary artifacts repatriation act. This is total nonsense, since the act ONLY covers actual physical artifacts for repatriation, not auxiliary materials such as photos or medical studies, which should be in the public domain. The repatriation act also recognizes the need for legitimate scientific study of the artifacts. (I might also add that the NPS acted in violation of conditions set down by the Palmer family in donating the artifacts, namely that they be placed on public display and available for examination and study. This is probably a legal gray area--no pun intended--since the repatriation act covers only public institutions receiving government funds and not private collections.)
Not a government cover-up, probably just PC native American politics at work and bureaucratic overreach. I also found a close Palmer family relative who told me this is pretty typical NPS behavior from his experience with them, tending to be very uncooperative. (He is writing a Palmer family history.)
Don Schmitt... interviews are funny things.
http://www.streaminglatam.com/vod/index.php/video/1330/don-schmitt-y-tom-carey-despues-de-bewitness/
http://www.streaminglatam.com/vod/index.php/video/1330/don-schmitt-y-tom-carey-despues-de-bewitness/
Don'excerpts at about 5'35" is probably one my favorite regarding him (and Carey).
Hooo, and how he was surprised after BeWitness as he claims now (like in Kevin's show) to have discovered the second slide only here, and realizing it was in a museum! There are many post-BeWitness Don's interview proving it is total lie.
This guy then is simply a liar :(
But we knew it from 1995 now... Nothing new about 2 decades after (all). (http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/RandleSchmitt.htm)
Regards and sorry to be rude (but frank),
Gilles
Forget Schmitt, forget Roswell, it is total and complete bullshit. Hello, wake up! No advance civilization, a thousand to a hundred thousand plus years civilization would crash on earth. This is all crap. Any civilization with the ability to travel light years would have the technological capabilities to avoid such a situation. How anyone could buy this is beyond belief. I'm not saying that they are not here, just that the scenario lacks credibility. Come on people, muscle up and find the truth.
Brian -
Tom Carey does not have a Ph.D... he is ABD.
Byron -
Ever occur to you that someone or something in the craft pushed the wrong button?
Gilles -
Please explain why you accept the the hate spewed by Robert Todd. There are multiple errors in his analysis. And why is it that no one can make a simple mistake? It always has to be reduced to lies.
Hi Kevin,
David Rudiak's message above sadly demonstrates that many UFO buffs will never get it. David tries to apologize for his fellow Dream Team members by suggesting that the poor mummy child is actually monstrous in some way.
In a much earlier thread we showed David photos of another mummy in which some ribs similarly seemed to be missing in an external view but were revealed to all be there in X-rays.
That David still imagines that he sees some amazing medical anomaly in the images is hilarious. I suppose that no one ever noticed this breakthrough discovery in all the years that it lay in the various museums? It will take the UFO-Opthmologist to solve this case!
Even more amusing is how he implies that his fellow Dream Team members might be excused from their inanity because their "experts" had been fooled. I remind you that their main "expert" made claims that ON THEIR FACE should have been seen as what they were: unhinged ravings about the baby being evolved like a gecko lizard!
The fact is that ANYONE making the pronouncement that we were seeing an alien (!!!) from a single blurry slide should have been seen for the idiocy that it is.
But some UFO buffs simply can't see it. Their saucer goggles keep them from seeing anything except what they so desperately WANT to see.
So we are treated to the theatre of the absurd we saw in Mexico in which UFO luminaries (like Richard Dolan) somehow sat there with a straight face as amazing whopper after whopper was presented as fact.
And now David wants to somehow defend that as not being the fault of his fellow dream team "researchers"?
Shameful.
Ufology always gets what it deserves. And it never never learns.
Lance
Kevin,
I may/can understand (at least 2 seconds) why Don may/had mistaken facing a "curious picture/photograph" for him (and only, or several Roswell aficionados) due to his UFO and Roswell myth background, and therefore an alien (Roswell) body. I'm a IFOlogist before to be an UFOlogist like you or Don (and your Dream-Team mates), after all, you well know... I have studied this modern myth (Roswell) for years, now (even a younger than you, and not English my native tong).
I CANT excuse, on the other hand, the statements he provided in your show, to defend why he was so "fooled": He is lying here. So, he is a liar. Period.
And you well know he is a liar, here...
Regards,
Gilles
Lance tackling hard wrote:
"So we are treated to the theatre of the absurd we saw in Mexico in which UFO luminaries somehow sat there with a straight face as amazing whopper after whopper was presented as fact."
"The fact is that ANYONE making the pronouncement that we were seeing an alien (!!!) from a single blurry slide should have been seen for the idiocy that it is."
Yes, I too, am more than a little surprised by all of this Lance, but perhaps you could tone it down just a bit... Remember this is not a point scoring exercise, although you have some of the "dream team" in your sights as the saying goes...
Regards
Nitram
Nitram -
I am tempted to turn moderation of this blog over to you and CDA since the both of you seem to believe it necessary.
Byron Weber wrote:
"Any civilization with the ability to travel light years would have the technological capabilities to avoid such a situation."
How can you be sure? Does technological advance preclude accidents? The more sophisticated technology becomes, the more possibilities for something to go wrong. We're vastly more advanced than 19th century civilization and can do things they could hardly imagine, yet quite a number of spacecraft have failed over the years. Wrecked craft litter the surfaces of the moon and Mars. Advanced technology doesn't mean infallibility.
Kevin:
Let's face it, we all secretly want to moderate your blog. Each of us could, of course, start a blog of our own to rival yours, but we know better. The truth is that there are too many UFO blogs nowadays, just like the olden days when we had far too many magazines and too many UFO groups & organisations, all hoping to either 'solve' the great mystery or to prove they had already solved it.
I could, but won't, start a debate (on a new blog) on whether ufology has made any real progress over the last 50 years.
Just think: over this period, we have advanced from the point where nobody had ever heard of Roswell (i.e. apart from the name of the town) to where almost everyone on earth, and maybe a few people off it (!), have heard of Roswell.
Progress or not?
Brian wrote..."Please. The only one gullible her is you Paul. These guys aren't stupid, and Carey has a PhD."
I do see the ridiculousness of the situation...People like Schmitt and Carey who consider themselves as hard-nosed ETH researchers who seemingly did NO research whatsoever concerning these slides. They were far too easily put at ease by Slidebox Media explanations to any queries they had ...hence my suggestion they are too naive to be allowed out by themselves without a responsible adult.
The sticking point is whether Schmitt really did know the photos were of a mummy and deliberately intended to deceive for monetary gain. I think not...but I really don't know. It doesn't make me gullible as much as uncertain.
David Rudiak...", It had NOTHING to do with trying to hide what the placard message said. There is so much bad speculation and misinformation out there."
To David and Tim Printy. It seems clear that I totally got the wrong end of the stick on this issue and apologise for muddying the waters.
Byron Webber..."Forget Schmitt, forget Roswell, it is total and complete bullshit. Hello, wake up! No advance civilization, a thousand to a hundred thousand plus years civilization would crash on earth. This is all crap. Any civilization with the ability to travel light years would have the technological capabilities to avoid such a situation.
Mountain goats have been known to trip up and fall off mountains.
Pure speculation, of course, because we simply don't know the first thing about these greys...but I sometimes wonder if the average,"everyman", grey on the street has only got an IQ similar to the average Earth chap...and have simply benefited (like us) through the great minds of their history who over the years have built their technology up to the level it is. The top 0.1% in every century like Da Vinci, Newton, Einstein, etc, who push things along, despite the rest of us comparative numbnuts.
...ie...the average grey might learn how to pilot a flying saucer without really knowing the science behind how the thing flies. (a bit like me with this computer I'm on...I know how to use it but I'm buggered if I know how the damned thing actually works.)
I was flicking through my old copy of Alien Dawn (Colin Wilson)a few weeks back. He comments that in some encounters our aircraft pilots have had with UFO's, they can almost be considered to be playing "chicken" with them... He describes whoever are flying the UFO's as acting like extraterrestrial juvenile delinquents.
JAL 1628 comes to mind where the giant UFO seems to almost be "showing off".
In short...it could simply be a case that one of the aliens who crashed at Roswell had a brain-fart and simply pressed the big red button instead of the little green one.
I wrote somewhere here before that maybe "Murphy's Law" is a constant throughout the universe.
Hello Kevin
Maybe a "software modulation program" is what you need.
A good start would have it automatically change the word "debate" to "investigation"
Regards
Nitram
Well Byron's theory that aliens are infallible is just idiotic, if he's 15 I'll let him off. You can look at it in so many different ways, some already mentioned some, and another is the alien abduction thing, if it's to be believed then some alien races fluffed up big time and now need to hybridise in order to survive, so they sure are more than capable of making big errors.
Why the Roswell craft crashed has always been of interest to me - if of course one did - and I always thought the extreme weather might have had something to do with it. But who knows.
All -
I hesitate to mention this again because there are those who take the suggestion as a serious theory, but my favorite idea is that the crash was done on purpose. The aliens thought that it would be a very non-threatening way of introducing us to the idea that there is intelligence life out there and they had get here. What is more non-threatening than a wrecked ship and a dead crew. We learn the truth but don't have to deal with an immediate threat. We can take a step back and decide what we need to do...
But I note, again, that while I like this idea from a science fiction perspective, I do not believe it to be reality. Just a fun idea.
I'm not totally sure Kevin but I think it was Clifford Stone who said something like that, that some crashes were indeed on purpose, a deeply compassionate way to introduce themselves. But then again if they were so advanced spiritually as Clifford suggests, would it be right to take their own lives in such a manner? I don't know, its all just fun of course considering it all. But they did crash in a fairly barren area but a place they would have known they would be discovered, so who knows.
Roswell does your head in after a while. :) We need someone to come forth with a piece of memory metal. JUST ONE OF YOU HOLDING ONTO A PIECE, PLEASE COME FORTH!! Then I can stop thinking so much about it all! I'm starting to get old!
The Dimov -
Sorry but I wouldn't believe Cliff Stone if he told me the sun rose in the east and set in the west. I have known him for more than 25 years and have listened to his nonsense about government agents visiting his house, calling him out, threatening to kill him, to his nonsensical tales of crawling through the wire in Vietnam so that he could go hunt the VC and the NVA, to having seen the alien autopsy film, to having been at the scene of the Kecksburg UFO crash (or maybe just saw the covered object trucked to an Air Force base)and a hundred other things that can't be proved or are in error. I have told him this to his face once when the BS got too deep.
And I'll mention it here, though it belongs in another thread, I believe the same about Bill Cooper and his book, Behold a Pale of Horseshit. Sorry but we are moving too deep into the weeds with all this various nonsense and we have to rein it in. Someone has to tell truth on this and it doesn't seem that it is getting out into the mainstream of UFO research.
Well I am with you Kevin in that I cannot stand liars not just in this field but in general, rotten time wasters they are, but Clifford Stone in particular I found interesting because it seems he truly believed what he was spouting. There are, of course though, in this world seemingly swell, but totally delusional people.
Actually it reminds me of another guy - David Adair. What is your opinion about him? The symbiotic engine he supposedly saw? He's another guy that seems so genuine, as if he really went through it. I cant tell with this guy. Although he was caught up in either an error or a lie about attending Woodstock or something like that, but I'm still on the fence with him.
> Behold a Pale of Horseshit [should be "Pail"]
That's a keeper. I googled around and found Martin Cannon using it as far back as 1996. Surprised no one has used the magic of Photoshop to mock up a book cover.
Terry -
Yes, it should be Pail... and I have been using it for years but I don't think I thought it up independently. I must have heard it somewhere but it fit so well.
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