Steve
Bassett, he of the Paradigm Research Group, was my guest this week. I thought
we would talk about Disclosure and what it would mean. We did take a few
excursions into other arenas, however. You can listen to the interview here:
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/43938587
Steve
began with providing a definition of Disclosure, but then moved onto the
possibility of Congressional Hearings that would lead to Disclosure. He believes
that 
Steven Bassett
the time is ripe given what is happening in the world. Disclosure is the
goal now, though I wondered if there was any political benefit to Disclosure.
To me, the government operates not for the benefit of the governed, but to
retain their power. We’ve seen plenty of examples of this in the last several
years.
We
did discuss, briefly, the erosion in trust, not only in the government but in
the mainstream media as well. Although I didn’t mention it during the show, I
was thinking of the Washington Post recent admission that they had run
with a story about telephone calls and what was said based upon, apparently, a
single source. Other outlets picked up the story, suggesting that the had
confirmed the information. Recent events showed that the story was not accurate
and the Washington Post printed a retraction.
We
also talked about the implications of full Disclosure and what that might mean.
Steven cited our bombardment of alien stories, programs, movies, books,
documentaries and various other cultural aspects filled with the idea of alien
visitation. He suggested that it was now so embedded in our culture that there
wouldn’t be a big shock if the government announced that aliens had been
visiting Earth for decades, if not centuries.
I
did mention that contact with a technologically superior civilization resulted
in the destruction of the technologically inferior civilization. Steven thought
that I was talking about conquest but I was actually talking about the impact
of the technology on the civilization. The technology could undermine the
civilization causing radically alterations to it. Steven wanted to talk about
the Aztecs and the Spanish, which wasn’t quite the point I was driving at.
Steve
brought up some of the testimony by Roswell witnesses, suggesting dozens had
been threatened with death if they talked about what they had seen. I thought
that some of that might have been overblown and was the result of soldiers, who
had been exposed to classified information being reminded that, well,
disclosure of that information could result in prison and fines. Others, such
as Glenn Dennis had been discredited.
Steve
did send an email about this, naming several witnesses who had been threatened
in this fashion, including George Wilcox, the Roswell Sheriff, quoting the
Anaya brothers. Although I find that somewhat problematic, I will note two
things here. One is that Barbara Dugger, granddaughter of the sheriff reported
the same thing, and that this testimony is second hand at best.
He
also said that Mack Brazel told radio station KGFL minority owner Bob Wolf that
“Those people will kill you if I tell you what I know.” This happened in 1963
not long 
Mack Brazel
before Brazel died. But once again, it is second-hand information
related to researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt years later. It does seem odd
that in all our discussions with Bill Brazel, he never mentioned anything like
that.
During
the show, I brought up Frankie Rowe, but it didn’t seem, in the initial
interviews with her, that the threats had been, well, deadly. Instead, she said
that she was told that her parents would end up in Orchard Park, which had been
a POW camp during the Second World War.
Dr.
Lejeune Foster, another of these “witnesses,” was not in Roswell in 1947. She
was a doctor in San Diego, supposedly called in because of her expertise on the
spinal cord and her high security clearance related to her work during the Second
World War. According to the family members and her housekeeper, she returned
from examining the bodies a changed woman. She said that as she was debriefed, she
was told that if she talked she would lose her license to practice medicine and
that she risked being killed. But researchers did not get that information from
her, but her family who aren’t specifically identified.
My
point was that we have no direct quotes from those involved that suggest death
as the penalty for telling what they knew. We have the stories of family
members and friends told literally decades after the fact. As I mentioned, the
military members would have been told that the release of classified
information to those not cleared would result in severe penalties of imprisonment
and fine. Over the years, in the telling of the tales, those penalties might
have been exaggerated. We have seen the sifting of stories as they are told and
retold. Steve did mention that he didn’t believe that the military would have carried
out the threats, but I have to wonder if they had been made.
Steve
did predict that would we see some changes in the government position of UFOs
in the very near future, suggesting the possibility of Congressional hearings
in the weeks to come. He was explaining how these things come about, which, in
and of itself, might be educational.
Next week is Lawrence Spencer. We’ll be talking about his book based on his contact with Matilda O’Connell MacElroy who claimed to be a technician in Roswell at the time of the crash. Should be an interesting interview.
