This
week I talked with Kenneth Dudley, who has said of himself, “I know more than
anyone else in the UFO world about what has happened and this is a national
security issue…” He also has suggested that his field of expertise is military
intelligence and UFOs.” I thought this might make for an interesting show. You
can listen to the program here:
We
did talk about his becoming interested in UFOs after he was involved in a car
accident but no one seemed able locate the woman who caused it. He found her in
Colorado, but in his discussion with her, remembered a UFO sighting he’d had in
October 1973, along I-70 near Green river, Utah. I will note here, apropos of
nothing at all, I have driven through Utah on I-70 a number of times, and it is
a long, lonesome road. There used to be a sign as you entered the western end
that the next service stations were 138 miles away. That’s been changed in the
world today with the creation of several service station plazas, but in 1973,
that sign just underscores how deserted that stretch of highway used to be.
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| Kenneth Dudley |
His
sighting wasn’t all that spectacular, just a glowing disk close to the ground
that took off in a burst of speed. It wasn’t in sight for very long, and I
mentioned that it was quite mundane, in terms of detail. Of course, if you were
the witness, your perspective would be somewhat different. Since Dudley said he
nearly hit the UFO, he thought of it as a little more exciting.
For
corroboration, he mentioned that radars at Cheyenne Mountain had tracked the
UFO at about the time of his sighting. Without a little more information, I
wasn’t all that sure that the connection could be made or that this could be
considered corroboration.
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| One of the views along I-70 in Utah. |
When
he talked about the trouble in the UFO community and the seeming lack of
interest in his sighting, I suggested it might be his claim about knowing more
than anyone else in the UFO world. He did backtrack on that.
He
mentioned five people who had died when they came in contact with UFOs but
couldn’t provide any names. I confess that I didn’t help. I thought of Mantell
(who was chasing a UFO but I think that has been identified in the world today)
and of Cash-Landrum, both of whom claimed health issues after they witnessed a
close approach of a diamond-shaped UFO. The event and health problems might
have contributed to their deaths years later. That would have led to another
discussion which I feared would take up too much of our limited time. I had
other things that I wanted to address.
We
also talked about the national security implications, with Dudley citing the
shutdown of missile launch systems. While an outsider having the ability to
disable missiles and preventing their launch certainly has national security
implications, the connection to UFOs is somewhat tenuous. The Air Force, of
course, denied that a UFO had been involved, but they didn’t offer much in the
way of solution either.
Next
week, I’m going to take some time to look at some of the issues that are
floating around the UFO world. At the moment, I am thinking about addressing
what is known as “cancel culture,” meaning you must embrace all aspects of the
UFO world or you’re considered a debunker, a look at Stan Friedman’s dark side,
and the Deep State influence in UFO investigation. If you have questions, or
points you might wish to make, append them at the end of this column and I’ll
try to get to them.
14 comments:
Great podcast, although not thanks to mr. Dudley. He clearly had some personal issues (let's say). This seems rather common in the broader ufo-community, I'm afraid. Anyway, keep on keeping on, mr. Randle.
Greetings, Jurriaan Maessen (The Netherlands)
Yikes... that interview was a tough pill to swallow. Kevin, there's just got to better speakers that this guy. Was this meant to be a comical relief to the other excellent interviews you've had?
Thanks and take care -
Kevin, what are your thoughts on LA Marzulli's claims regarding another Roswell witness? Marzulli very much has a belief structure that he is trying to confirm that the entities associated with UFOS are demonic etc. There seems to be no witness or claim he won't believe as long as it confirms his narrative (a problem in UFOlogy in general).
However, several of his latest claims caught my attention. One of them being he found a "new" witness who had some involvement in the case and said that these entities had "six fingers". I found that particularly amusing as the dummy in the notorious hoax Alien Autopsy also had six fingers as seen in the fake dummy and control panel. Apparently, this is another one of those "deathbed confessions" which everyone in the UFO field gets extremely mixed up about. It doesn't make it true, as a deathbed confession just absolves a dying person of any guilt, as I understand.
Another part I found frustrating was the continued support of Glenn Dennis' claims. Marzulli also claimed to have been contacted by the mysterious nurse, and since you were led on a wild goose chase by Dennis, I thought that would also catch your attention.
You can find all this in the following interview from coast, which I listen to for a good laugh sometimes.
https://youtu.be/tUV72QnarW8
(Roswell conversation starts around 19:30).
On a side note, regarding your comments on the cancel culture in UFOLOGY, I think there is none other than John Greenewald who can testify to that . Seeing how he has been treated just for asking questions which needed to be answered regarding the TTSA debacle and the troubling red flags surrounding Elizondo. What's even more troubling is the fact the biggest ringleaders of this witch hunt against Greenewald have been people like George Knapp, who supposedly made his name as an investigative journalist. Knapp's willingness to support absolute nonsense with no proof whatsoever has been one of the more disappointing developments over the last decade, or perhaps looking back he has always been that way (Bob Lazar).
Which leads me to my final point. We need to stop putting so much stock in people such as Knapp and anyone else, unless they have documentation to prove their claims. I have heard countless times over the years how many people would usually conclude that the Bob Lazar story is total bunk, yet the thing which stops them doing so is the credibility of George Knapp, and if he thinks there's something to it then there must be. I also used to think this way until the ridiculous claims on Skinwalker ranch were touted by Knapp, with zero documentation whatsoever. Furthermore, after even more holes began to show in Lazar's claims recently, I noticed a pattern in Mr Knapp's claims, which is that they seem great and substantial until you actually start to do some digging yourself, then it all begins to fall apart.
Documentation, or nothing . This BS has gone on long enough.
Congratulations on completing 107 programs and beginning Season 3!
Wishing you all the best with this, and many, many more !!!
As a complete aside...
With Kevin mentioning the Cash-Landrum case, I had a quick look at that incident again.
I hadn't previously picked up on the the fact that the Alan Godfrey UFO (and possible abduction), Rendlesham Forest Incident and then the Cash-Lundrem case had all occurred within a 30 day period!
Kevin...As for the five who have died after contact with UFO's.
I totally agree with your previous thoughts on this blog concerning Mantell.
But maybe a couple of others could qualify as suspiciously UFO related.
The death (should I say missing, presumed dead) of Frederick Valentich,1978, Bass Strait, Australia
and Zigmund Adamski, 1980 (again), Todmorden, UK...intricately associated with Godfrey's UFO sighting.
Paul -
I didn't mention Felix Moncla, Jr., or R. R. Wilson of Kinross fame either. The real question arises about what they had seen, or what the radar was tracking at the time. I talked with a pilot who was assigned at the base in 1953 and he told me there were two schools of thought. One was that the UFO got them and the other, less popular was they had some sort of catastrophic failure and their aircraft crashed into the lake.
I think what we have done here is come up with more than five deaths associated with UFO sightings, which is not to say that all were the result of alien contact. I'm suggesting that we have some mysteries that have yet to be solved here and the less likely explanation is alien intervention... doesn't mean it wasn't alien, only that the evidence is not overwhelming to attack on that front.
From a 1976 book by Coral Lorenzen, my notes on one ce3 case showing a death outcome:
Brazil, 1967….a tenant farmer and his wife (Inacio and Maria de Souza) had arrived in the late afternoon at their home from an outing when “they immediately saw a ‘strange, basin-shaped object’ of approximately 115 feet in width resting on the [wealthy owner’s airstrip]”. They saw between the craft and them three beings, to Inacio eyes’ appearing naked and hairless, to Maria, it seemed like they “were dressed in tight-fitting yellow jersey suits”.
Their behavior was described as “playing about like children”. The beings noticed the couple and began running towards them. Unfortunately, after Inacio had Maria go into the house, he began to fire at them with his rifle. As he started doing so, the craft suddenly emitted “a jet of green-colored light” which struck Inacio “full in the chest, knocking him to the ground”. Maria rushed to his aid as the three beings were rushing back to their craft, which
“lifted straight up off the ground making a sound like the swarming of bees and was shortly lost to sight”. The owner of the land arrived by plane 3 days later and found Inacio very ill and thus took him to the doctor. There were burns on his torso and blood work revealed “malignant alterations in the blood”. Ignacio died two months later with everyone suspecting radiation poisoning.
Brazil, 1969….many residents of a
Just fyi, for so-called "high-strangeness", the New Mexico/Colorado border was THE place to be during the 70s into the early 80s. It was a little before my time but I'm from the area. I have never heard of anyone dying after contact with a UFO, but there were cattle....lots of cattle. The skeptics crowed predation and natural causes, but it is a bit hard to swallow once you have seen a bull hanging from a tree with third-degree burns on its hide...
Sorry, I know this post is off-topic; just noticed the date and regional significance.
Paul Young said, "The death (should I say missing, presumed dead) of Frederick Valentich,1978, Bass Strait, Australia."
I've looked into this a little and IMO it is more likely that Valentich was just caught in a weapons test that went wrong. Probably a malfunction with one of the chips (or maybe even guidance laser) which caused the targeting disc to either 1)lock-on or 2) accidentally collide with the plane. The remote techs might even have been feverishly trying to fix the issue as it unfolded, which explains the objects behavior as witnessed and reported by Valentich.
Adam S.
I've not heard that particular theory before. There are quite a few theories for the Frederick Valentich case... The most obvious theory being that he was simply an inexperienced pilot who was disorientated and just crashed into the sea.
Saying that, I can't think of any other UFO case where the person reporting it was giving literally "live commentary" (to the regional air traffic control) at the moment he went missing.
His radio broadcast went on for more than 7 minutes before going silent and, presumably, he must have been observing his sighting in the minutes before he started calling air traffic control. The other "aircraft" must have noticed him throughout that time, too. (Valentich described the object as orbiting him)
He wouldn't be the first person to be accidently shot down, of course,but,for more than 7 minutes, could the people with the weapon not realise this was just a Cessna they were targeting?
...I'd say an Australian investigator called Keith Basterfield nails it pretty well when he said,
"The only thing we can say for sure is that the plane and pilot disappeared while he was describing a UFO - which is one of those things that just makes people wonder,"
Mr.Dudley is my poster child for the “ cancel culture “ - anyone who interviews this guy in the coming year should be ‘canceled’ from ‘serious’ UFOlogy if they accept his ‘facts’ - unless of course it’s George Knapp with the assistance of a “certified psychic medium “ who brings Hopkins back for a “session” that will prove once and for all what’s going on with this car wreck ! If I sold insurance I’d have no problem giving ET the best rate on Earth !
"He wouldn't be the first person to be accidentally shot down, of course,but,for more than 7 minutes, could the people with the weapon not realize this was just a Cessna they were targeting?"
Paul Young, the key to your question is that it assumes they were actually targeting his plane. I don't think so. I suspect the device was already malfunctioning. One possibility is they were guiding it out to sea to crash when it "stumbled" (for lack of a better term) on his aircraft. At which point they either a) lost control or b) control was so tenuous there was little they could do. This assumes of course that the device was RF controlled or using an early version of GPS. (The 70s saw tremendous advances in geo-positioning (GPS) technologies.) It could also have been part of a satellite weapons test where the lentricular mirror was misaligned. But, the end result would have been the same.
This occurred when the Cold War was still going on, and when you consider the political implications of an Australian Citizen accidentally killed by an allied countries' weapons test, you can sort of see why they might have been eager to keep everything rather "hush hush".
I have one main comment, which is I would like to know why you thought an interview with Mr. Dudley was a good use of your time? As others have alluded to, or suggested in this blog, it was apparent about 10 minutes into your interview with him that he squarely belonged to the more credulous/less verifiable group of so-called "ufo experts". Indeed, as you pointed anyone who self-proclaims themselves as knowing more than anyone else about UFOs, should be skeptically treated. Anyone who also claims personal connections with (and influence over) all known intelligence agencies (including those that sound bogus) without convincing documentation should also be considered not credible. He could not back up anything he said with any credible sourced material. And you clearly knew that too. I suspect that you knew 10 minutes into talking to him the same thing, before you posted the webcast.
I find that these individuals, if given a chance, will take the opportunity of an interview to simply rant in a monologue. I regret that despite your best efforts, that is what happened here. This also happened recently at the black vault with an interview with Moulton-howe and, to some extent, Karl Korff. I appreciate the need to create content for this excellent page, but please, no more Mr. Dudley's unless you can help the rest of us understand why you think its important they get this forum.
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