Wednesday, May 12, 2021

History, Aurora Crash, Coast Guard Pictures

So, it has happened again. One of those specialty magazines, this one from History, that delves into the paranormal, gets some of it wrong. In the world today, paranormal includes UFO (or UAPs or flying saucers), along with ESP, ghosts, hauntings, the Bermuda Triangle and Bigfoot. I am, of course, somewhat biased. I don’t believe that UFOs should be lumped into the paranormal (and I could probably say the same thing about Bigfoot).

Yes, I was annoyed because they fell back on the Project Mogul explanation for Roswell. I had hoped for something more than the cursory examination given to that and an acknowledgement that Flight No. 4 had been cancelled, but that was too much to expect. For those interested in the long history of this explanation, just type Mogul into the search engine here or look at the long discussion in Roswell in the 21st Century.

What first caught my attention was the brief little note about the Aurora, Texas, crash of 1897. They noted that it allegedly hit a windmill and published a picture of a “UFO” near a windmill. The picture was taken in Michigan in 1966 and is of a lens flare. Anyone who has been around UFOs or cameras long enough recognized it immediately for what it was. Here is just an example of someone with no knowledge of photography or UFOs, selecting a picture because it fits the general narrative and not concerned with the truth.

Illustration used for the Aurora crash hoax.

The second problem for me was the photograph taken on July 16, 1952, in Salem, MA. For some reason, the Project Blue Book file is labeled as Beverlym (which is, of course, Beverly with a superfluous m at the end) in the Blue Book index but correctly as Beverly on the Project Card. Although it is difficult to read, the card is apparently marked as “unknown.”

But here’s the problem. According to a report in the file, “the results of this analysis indicated that the photo was a hoax. Extensive photographs were taken under similar conditions. Failure of the light source to cast reflections on the highly polished cars below indicated that the light was not outside and it was assumed by the analyst at the time, that the photo was a double exposure and for this reason was a hoax.”

Later, in that same report, it was noted, “It is believed that the photos represent light reflections from an interior source (probably the ceiling lights) on the window through which the photo was taken.”

In another report, the witness (name redacted but is Thomas Flaherty) said, “While working on daily reports I was summoned by Base Photographer (name redacted but is Shell Albert) … who called me to hurry and look at airborne lights. Looking out the window to the North West there appeared to be what was thought to be a quick flash. I actually could not say it was anything. It could have been reflections from passing cars or from the ocean.”

Not exactly the best of corroborating statements.

In another document, paragraph b said, “Three (3) objects glowing bright and then light and disappeared like a light being dimmed with a rheostat. Objects appeared to waver slightly and glow as a light source. [Name redacted but is Albert] could not determine the shape nor formation, aerodynamic features, or propulsion system. [Name redacted] did not see any trail, exhaust, or maneuvers. [Name redacted] did not hear any sound and could not tell if the objects were moving. After ALBERT [failed to redact the name here] developed the photograph, he noted there was a difference in numbers that what he had observed.”

In Albert’s statement to the investigators, he said, “It was an extremely hot day and I think that perhaps some sort of reflection of ground reflections could possibly have accounted for the lights, but in my estimation this is an improbable explanation. The lens was quite dirty and so was the window screen. I cannot in all honesty say that I saw the objects or aircraft, merely some manner of lights.”

I will note here, for no other reason than I found it interesting, that Lieutenant Commander, W. D. Strauch, Jr., wrote, “All personnel interviewed or questions were informed that any information concerning the objects was ‘SECRET’ [emphasis in original] and should not be discussed with any one without the permission of the CO.”

The final note in the investigation, after attempts to duplicate the pictures under various conditions had been made, Colonel Delwin B. Avery wrote, “It is therefore concluded that the authenticity of the picture, taken by the Coast Guard photographer, is open to serious doubt.”

Given the statements by the photographer, the ambiguous statement by Flaherty, and what is the inconsistencies between those statements and what is shown in the photograph, I do not understand why the Air Force would have labeled the case as “unidentified.” Everything in the file, including the witness statements indicate that the photograph is some sort of reflection if not an out and out hoax. Albert’s weasel words in his statement suggest he knew the source of the lights in the photograph and was attempting to avoid directly lying about it.

My point here is that there are better photographs that are not wrapped in the ambiguity we see here. I think the point that has been overlooked is that neither witness has a good idea what was seen and suggest something rather mundane. The statements of those involved seem to take it from unidentified into another realm, one in which we don’t need to dwell. 

Sunday, May 09, 2021

The San Antonio UFO Crash


There is now renewed interest in the crash of a UFO near San Antonio, New Mexico, on August 16, 1945. Notice that this is almost two years before the Roswell crash and less than a hundred miles from the debris field shown to me by Bill Brazel. This tale is told by Reme Baca and Jose Padilla, two boys, seven and nine at the time, who heard the crash and would have been the first humans on the scene.

Bill Brazel

The story, as originally told, was that the youngsters had been sent in search of a pregnant cow. The one boy’s father was afraid that if the calf was born out on the range and they didn’t claim it first, then someone else would find it and brand it. They had ridden over the high desert, climbed rocky formations, stopped to have lunch, and then dodged a thunderstorm. As the rain ended and they came out from under the ledge where they had hidden, there was a bright light with a rumbling sound that shook the ground.

The boys headed in the direction of the sound where there seemed to be a cloud of dust and smoke. They found a “giant-sized gouge” that they said looked like heavy machinery had created a road about one hundred feet wide, about a foot deep and maybe three hundred feet long. Through binoculars, Jose could see that the gouge ran up to a ridge where it stopped. At the far end they could see an object that had dug deep into the sandy soil.

As have been found near Roswell two years later, there was a debris field here. Reme said that he picked up a piece of thin, shiny foil, like that from a pack of cigarettes. When he folded it or wadded it, it returned to its original shape.

They worked their way closer, and through the binoculars, Jose saw three, small, creatures. They were moving around rapidly, almost as if they could teleport themselves from one position to another. The motion was described as sliding. The creatures had a buggy look to them. They had big bulgy eyes, had needle thin arms and were about four feet tall. The head was big and when pressed, he compared it to a Praying Mantis. Their skin was a light gray and they were either wearing very tight coveralls or their skin was very tight.

The New Mexico high Desert.

The craft was shaped something like an avocado, with a hole in the side. They tried to get an estimate of the size, deciding it was about 100 feet long. There was a noise coming from the craft. The sound was like that a jack rabbit in trouble would make or maybe like a baby crying.

As they watched it, both said that they got “pictures in their heads.” This seemed to be some sort of telepathic communication. Reme would later say that they didn’t know that these pictures were. Decades later, he said that he still didn’t know what the pictures meant.

By this time, they realized that it was getting late, actually getting dark, and they had to go home. Once there, they told Jose’s father, Faustino, about what they had seen and the humanoid creatures that they called Hombrecitos. Spanish for little men. Faustino said that they would check it out in a day or two.

Two days later they returned to the crash site. Not only were they accompanied by Faustino, but also by a State Policeman, Eddie Apodaca. As the party approached the crash site, they didn’t see the alien creatures, nor, at first did they see the craft. It was as if it had disappeared. But then, as they headed down into the canyon, the object reappeared, “as if by magic.”

It seemed that most of the debris had been cleaned up by someone. There wasn’t much of the wreckage left, other than the craft itself. There were odd pieces dangling all over. The two men told the boys to wait, as they crawled up, inside, through gash in the side of the object. When they came out, according to Reme, the men seemed to have changed, different. They were now more serious.

Faustino warned the boys about telling anyone what they had seen. He said, strangely, that the government calls these sorts of things, weather balloons. He added, “They’ll want this thing back.”

Reme said that it didn’t look like any weather balloon they had seen in the past. And, he wondered about the little men. He wondered what had happened to them.

Two days after that second visit to the craft, the recovery operation started in earnest. A sergeant named Avila, probably Army sergeant, approached those in the Padilla home. He wanted permission to cut a hole in a fence so that they could get their heavy equipment to the crash site. They would be removing the craft and needed to create a better access to the area. An agreement was reached, a road was built and the gate installed.

The youngsters, Reme and Jose, continued their surveillance of the crash site, even after the warning about possible trouble. Now, we learn, based on Reme and Jose’s observations, that the solders weren’t doing such a great job. Rather than collecting all the debris, they buried some of it on site. Other debris was kicked into crevasses and covered over. They watched as a flatbed truck was brought in. Using winches and a crane, the soldiers lifted the craft onto the truck. They covered it with a tarp and even though it was not ready for removal, the soldiers left for the day.

With the site now abandoned, the boys walked up to take a closer look. Jose untied the ropes holding the tarp in place and climbed inside the object. He found something interesting inside the craft and handed it out to Reme. It was very light and cold to the touch. The boys then left, carrying the bit of debris with them.

About two weeks after the recovery operation had been completed and the object removed, four soldiers arrived at the Padilla house. They were looking for something more and asked permission to search the premises. They wanted to know if Faustino had anything that might belong to them, meaning, of course, any metal or other items taken from the crash site. The soldiers were shown to a back room where they searched carefully, eventually confiscating a weather balloon or two and other odds and ends. Yes, apparently, Faustino had found weather balloons in the past and stored them in his house.

But the military didn’t manage to grab the bits of debris that the boys had found. According to Reme, the material was later analyzed but neither the facilities nor the scientists were identified other than one given the pseudonym of Dr. Smith. Apparently, the metal had a high concentration of carbon. Samples cut and polished showed “very weird structures… they look like skeletons of bugs…” You can see photographs of the metal here:

Other scientists in other labs were consulted who confirmed the first results, which was that the metal was unusual. They also found that the metal could “transfer heat from one end to the other…a bit like the tiles o the space shuttle.”

But that wasn’t the end of the analyses. Further, and more comprehensive results were published at The Black Vault. The bottom line is that there doesn’t seem to be anything in the metal that suggests an extraterrestrial origin. It was noted that the objects are made of aluminum alloyed to copper and silicon. Isotopic ratios determined for the nickel, copper and zinc compare to terrestrial value but that does not rule out an extraterrestrial source for the material. You can view that information, including the request for analysis by MUFON, names of the scientists and the lab used, here:

So, where does that leave us?

Looking at this with a critical eye, I have some real problems. First, are the young ages of the witnesses at the time of the event. True, I can see kids trying to get closer and trying to discover what had happened, but the time line doesn’t seem to work out very well. In the interviews, time seems to flow rapidly and then slow down, only to speed up again. Is this a minor criticism? Sure, but it is not the only problem.

I was bothered by the description of the metal as being very thin aluminum, like that found on a pack of cigarettes. This was the description used by Jesse Marcel, Sr. talking about some of the debris he had seen on the Debris Field near Corona in 1947. This information was published long before either of the boys (now men) told their story to outsiders.

Later on, they talked about a metal that could be wadded up and that would return to its original shape. Reme said, “…so I pulled it out from under the rock and kind of rolled it up and folded it up… and it would go back into the same position that it was. So, I took that and put it I my pocket…”

Robert Smith, who had been assigned to Roswell in July, 1947, said one of the sergeants had taken a bit of debris. He told Don Schmitt and me, “It was just a little piece of metal or foil or whatever it was. Just small enough to be slipped in a pocket.”

Bill Brazel said, “The only reason I noticed the tin foil was that I picked the stuff up and put it in my chaps’ pocket… when I put the piece of foil in the box it started unfolding and flattened out.” Again, this information had been well reported before with Reme or Jose mentioned it.

It is also interesting that the boys talk about four military members coming out to the house to search for anything unusual. Bill Brazel talked about four soldiers going out to his house and confiscating the debris he had picked up. Of course, here they failed to find anything but Bill Brazel surrendered what he had found.

These points can be viewed two ways. One is that here was independent corroboration for the types of material found in Roswell. The other is that the boys, when interviewed decades later, had heard about the material found in Roswell and used those descriptions. It is clear in the interviews that they had been reading about UFOs and crash retrievals, based on their answer to some of the questions and their discussions with researchers.

One of the other problems I have is the fairly cavalier way the military treated the crash site. Although there are hints that they had secured the area, they seemed to leave it unguarded at times. No matter what had fallen, if the military had thought it important enough that they would build a road to the site, and put in a proper gate so that they could bring in a flatbed truck, then it was important enough to guard properly. That would mean soldiers out there twenty-four hours a day until the site was cleaned. However, according to the witnesses, that simply wasn’t the case.

The other aspect is the failure to properly clean the site. Apparently, they did send out soldiers to pick up the debris, but sometimes, the soldiers just kicked the material into a crevasse and buried it. There doesn’t seem to be any officers out there, and once again, given the nature of the material, and the craft that supposedly crashed, there would have been a real effort to clean up everything. They would want nothing left behind.

The final problem is the boys being told about weather balloons. Since this was 1945, two years before the Roswell case was “identified” as a weather balloon, this reference is anachronistic. It is out of place because no one was talking about weather balloons being used to explain UFO sightings. This is a major problem.

On a more positive side, a fellow named Bill Brophy said that his father had been a member of the 231st B-29 bomber group (actually the 231st Army Air Force Base Unit) at Alamogordo, New Mexico. According to Brophy, the 231st was part of the recovery operation in August 1945. I was able to confirm that the 231st was stationed at Alamogordo Army Air Field and had B-29s at the time claimed. This might be a third witness to the crash and does provide a clue about where to look for additional information.

In the end, I’m skeptical about this story. There are too many little things that bother me about it, from the descriptions of the material that match those from Roswell, the knowledge the two witnesses have of UFOs, including talking about books such as The Day After Roswell, and the lack of proper military security. Even if the officers didn’t recognize the craft as being extraterrestrial, they would have seen it as an aircraft of unique design that would require proper security.

For an even more skeptical point of view, you might want to visit Jason Colavito’s website at:

However, there is a book coming out in a month or so that might adequately answer these questions. This is my analysis of the situation now and I look forward to seeing what additional information surfaces.

Thursday, May 06, 2021

Coast to Coast: Mogul and Updates


Here’s something that annoys me a great deal. I was reading a list of Conspiracies that people still believe and I think you know where this is going. There list contained things you’d expect – Moon Landings Faked, the Earth is flat and Aztec was a real UFO event.

And then we came to Roswell. I had hoped they would leave it off the list, and if they didn’t, they would have, well, a good excuse for including it. Instead, they trotted out the Mogul balloon explanation.

Mogul array flown in NM.

Yes, we know it was claimed that Mogul was highly classified, and the fact that it was an array of balloons and radar target might have made it look unusual. But the truth is, the culprit in this tale, Flight No. 4, did not fly. It had been canceled due to clouds. CAA regs (FAA in modern times) required cancelation for cloudy weather. These arrays were hundreds of feet long and could pose a hazard to aerial navigation if pilots couldn’t see them. Dr. Albert Crary’s field notes confirm cancelation. Crary was in charge of the balloon experiments in New Mexico at the time.

I do not understand why skeptics will believe documentation except when it conflicts with their beliefs. Crary’s diary is quite clear on the point. For those who say that it also mentions a cluster of balloons being launched and we don’t know the make of these clusters, I say, the documentation tells us. 

And contrary to the Mogul myth, Mogul flights in New Mexico were not classified top secret. Crary even mentions Mogul in his unclassified field notes. The ultimate objective of project, to spy on the Soviets was certainly classified, but this has no relevance to what was happening in New Mexico.

We have an acceptance of this poor and debunked explanation by too many who should be asking questions about it. I have gone over this many times and for those who wish to follow up, you can read more about it here:

And if that isn’t enough, just type Mogul into the search engine here and you’ll find more articles discussing Mogul, probably in excruciating detail. I have provided a more cohesive study in Roswell in the 21st Century. However, it wouldn’t be fair not to mention that Tim Printy, at his Sunlite website, has come at this from the other side of the fence. He believes that Mogul is a viable explanation, as do many other skeptics. I simply disagree with them. As far as I’m concerned, there currently is no terrestrial explanation for what fell northwest of Roswell in 1947. You can find Tim’s website here:

But this report, wasn’t just about what I found on a poorly researched website about long lasting conspiracies. It is about what is happening in the world today. From William Puckett’s website, I found a photo taken on February 8. The witness had taken a photograph of two eagles at the Oaks Bottom Wildlife Refuge near Portland, Oregon. He didn’t see the object, which appears in two of the photographs until he was reviewing them later. The object is a silver-colored, fuzzy oval with some sort of a contrail. The preliminary analysis seems to rule out aircraft. You can see the picture at:

In keeping with the trend of UFOs with contrails, there was a sighting from Florida on April 23. The witness, who had gotten up for morning coffee saw a bright object that was too small to be the sun and too large to be a star. I mention this sighting, not because it was a UFO, but it was identified as the Space X Falcon Rocket and the booster that had been launched at the time. I thought it important to point out that we all receive many UFO sightings and most of the time they turn out to be mundane craft. This is one of those times that follow up research provided a plausible explanation for what might be considered an implausible sighting.

And, moving back to Oregon, the witness said that she saw an object about dawn. She thought it looked a bit like a shooting star. She attempted to catch her husband’s attention and when she looked back the UFO was lower, larger and had changed direction. She described the object as a long, cylindrical object with round lights on the underbelly. She reported that there was no noise. She went back inside to get her husband and when she came back out, the UFO was gone.

Wednesday, May 05, 2021

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Retrospective

This week, I decided to take a look at the UFO situation without the benefit of a guest. Periodically, I just think it’s time to review what is going on in the world of the UFO from my perspective, which is, of course, a different perspective.

Kevin Randle

In the first segment, I looked at the idea that Disclosure might be coming closer with the release of the Navy videos and the Navy’s confirmation that the video was authentic. I believe that some thought it meant the image was of an alien spacecraft. It just meant that the video had been filmed by a Navy pilot, not that the image was anything other than an artifact created by the technology rather than something real.

All this affects the idea of Disclosure, and that this might be a way of diverting attention from Disclosure. I noted the trouble of two cultures or two civilizations meeting and the consequences of that. This was a suggestion as to why Disclosure might be as close as we thought. It was a point that I returned to later in the show. You can listen to this, and the rest of the show here:

In the Second segment, I touched on some of the past guests who were less than fully cognizant of the UFO situation. Rather than go through this again, I’ll just point to other postings that cover the information in more detail.

For those interested in my discussions with Lawrence Spencer and his claim of receiving material from a nurse stationed in Roswell in 1947, you can read about it here:

Of course, as with the following two former guests as well, you can listen to those shows by using the Embedded Audio Player on the left. Just scroll through the list until you find the right program.

I did talk about Christopher Montgomery, who had slung several allegations at me on other programs and in his book. You can read about that here:

Finally, is Robert Gross, who thought he had found a viable explanation for the Roswell crash. He hung up before we finished the show because, well, it had devolved into my questions and his answer of “No Comment.” You can read about it here:

My real gripe, as I talked with these men was that they didn’t seem to have a good grasp on the subject. They didn’t follow up on their theories with the proper documentation and research. They didn’t follow the path to the end.

One of the ways I illustrated this was my search for the soldiers from Company F, who had accompanied George Custer into the Battle of the Greasy Grass (known by others as Custer’s Last Stand). The point was, in the world today, I was able to find a company roster with the names of each of the men with very little trouble. I’ll have more on this when I find the answers to my questions about their fate (and no, all of them didn’t die with their company, which intrigues me).         

In the third segment, I talked about the nonsense of changing UFO to UAP. Although there are a number of people who believe that UFO means alien spacecraft, I think that the majority out there know that UFO means something that is unidentified. Some of us, Stan Friedman, Don Schmitt and I returned to using flying saucer when we meant an alien craft. That makes it clear. Everyone understood. None of this nonsense about an “unidentified aerial phenomenon.”

I did mention that Coral Lorenzen of APRO had started using UAO, meaning “unidentified aerial object.” Not as clean as UFO and still mentioned an object suggesting something more solid that a phenomenon. Anyway, it is a matter of semantics and you have to wonder if this change wasn’t introduced just to confuse the issue rather than to clarify it.

This seemed to be rewriting history, encompassing both the Robertson Panel and the Condon Committee. Although both were wrapped in the mantle of scientific research, both were, in fact, attempts to end public interest in UFOs. The conclusions of the Condon Committee were written before the investigation began… and strangely, the findings of the committee were those outline by the Air Force in the Hippler letter, which shouldn’t have ended up in the public’s hands. You can read the details here:

Finally, I got around to UFOs and the Deep State. I noted that if the book had been written this year rather than last, there would have been more information about the longevity of the Deep State and how it operates. We see it as those appointed to positions of power in the Biden Administration are those who have served in the federal government for decades in other Administrations including those led by Republicans.

I answered the question about the persistence of the secrecy. Why, today, after decades of exposure to UFO reports, investigations, sightings, and information, does the truth remain classified? It has nothing to do with a fear of panic and everything to do with retaining power. This is all outlined in the book.

Next up is a discussion with Don Schmitt about the current state of UFO research and where we think it is headed. If you have questions, append them here, and we’ll talk about it. 

Friday, April 30, 2021

Coast to Coast AM - The Moon Dust Controversy


There was an interesting question, or thought, or claim, raised on the NICAP Research site, that suggested there was never any Project Moon Dust. What was said, “And there was never any ‘Project’ Moon Dust! There was an attempt by the AF to set up one by that name (Moon Dust) but I don’t recall any documents proving that it was set up with that name and operational… There was a category of activity called ‘moon dust’ for recovery of satellite and space reentries and decays. Anyone in any agency having a report of that would slap a ‘Moon Dust” label on it without any project necessarily with that name.”

This struck me as especially odd. I mean, there were documents out there that related to Moon Dust and I had found four cases in Project Blue Book files that were stamped with the name, “Moon Dust.” True, they weren’t very good sightings, but the point is, these sightings were found in Blue Book.

I had also found a document in the Blue Book files that came from Headquarters, U.S. Air Force Message #54322 and dated December 23, 1957, which said the mission was “to collect and analyze raw intelligence reports from the field of fallen space debris and objects of unknown origin.”

I also mentioned that there were other documents, with a known provenance, that proved there was a Project Moon Dust. I figured that would be the last word, unless someone asked for some of those documents. That wouldn’t be a problem because there were, literally hundreds of them.

Brad Sparks had something to say about that. He wrote:

Sorry, but with all due respect, none of those documents say any ‘Project’ had a ‘PROJECT’ named ‘Moon Dust’ except the proposal in 1961 where I don’t see any succeeding documents showing a ‘Project Moon Dust’ was in fact set up – quote me some post-1961, correct me if I’m wrong.”

‘Moon Dust’ was a category of intelligence physical materiel set up in 1957 post-Sputnik long before any special project was even attempted to be set up as a ‘Project Moon Dust’-- in 1961. What were they doing in 1960, 1959, 1958?

‘Moon Dust’ was like a term like ‘HazMat,’ to use an analogy, which was used everywhere without any special project being set up called ‘Project HazMat’ -- and no rule that prohibited such a project with that name either.

Paul Dean wrote back to say, “I've got a 1980 era 20th missile warning squadron document that mentions "Project Moon Dust", not just ‘moon dust’”. 

And since Brad had asked about this, and although I believed he had some of these documents and understood them as well as I did, I wrote:

Interesting point here. We agree there was something called Moon Dust but it might not have been a "project."

And it is true that the references I found in the Blue Book files are merely stamped "Moon Dust," rather than "Project Moon Dust," at least, confirms the UFO component to it.

However, I have a copy of a letter sent to Robert Todd dated July 1, 1987 which said, "The nickname 'Project Moondust' no longer exists officially."

I suppose you could argue, with some justification, that this is in response to Todd's request for information on Project Moon Dust, so that answer, in referring to Moon Dust is just Colonel Thompson's (the officer who responded) way of identifying the request but doesn't prove there was a Project Moon Dust.

I have a copy of a letter to Senator Jeff Bingaman in which Colonel George Mattingley, Jr., wrote, "These teams were eventually disbanded because of a lack of activity; Project MOON DUST and Operation BLUE FLY missions were similarly discontinued." 

This seems to be stronger evidence that something known as Project Moon Dust did exist as a project. We often refer to Project Blue Book simply as Blue Book. True, I have a copy of a heavily redacted "Airgram" from the State Department that says, "The designator "MOONDUST" is used in cases involving the examination of non-US space objects or objects of unknown origin."

I wonder if we're not splitting a fine hair here. There is documentation about Project Moon Dust and there is guidance that Moon Dust will be used as an identifier on communications among various agencies and organizations. What is important here is that there was something called Moon Dust and it referred to UFO related material (and let me add here that in the case UFO means "unidentified" as opposed to "alien spacecraft.") It suggests another reporting channel and one that often-avoided Blue Book.

Paul Dean scanned the document he had mentioned and Brad Sparks had requested. Dean put it up for those who wished to see it. In response, Brad Sparks wrote:

Thanks Paul.

The 1982 20th MWS History mentions "Project Moondust procedures" without identifying them, or it, or where it is located.  Are they just remembering old procedures without looking them up (no Numbered Directives are cited)?  

Lots of people in the US Govt over the years including within the AF assumed there was a "Project" called "Moon Dust" -- just like anyone dealing with Hazardous Materials or HazMat assume there is a HazMat Dept they deal with, but no overarching "HazMat Project" but multiple HazMat units or depts everywhere. 

What we need to know, as this applies to all "Project" Moon Dust references is at least a few of the following questions answered:

1.  HQ:  Where is the "Project" headquartered? 

2.  Command:  Under what agency or command is the "Project"?

3.  Charter:  What is the charter directive or order setting up the "Project"?  Date? 

4.  CO:  Who is the Commander or Director of the "Project"?

5.  Letterhead:  Any "Project Moon Dust" letterhead available to show some of the above, where located, under whose command, etc.?

6.  Multiple "Project Moon Dust"s:  Were there and if so, why?  Was "Moon Dust" just like "HazMat" or "SAR" (Search and Rescue), every command or major agency has them, etc.?

Brad wasn’t through with his analysis and added some important information that should have been included in the first go-around. He wrote:

Quick correction:  Email got away from me before I could add that the copy of the ICGL 4 of 1961 was obtained by Jim Klotz in 2003, with thanks to Mike Ravnitzky and Dale Goudie.  

Further, I wanted to bold-italic highlight the Col Betz memo of Nov 1961, in para. 5g:

"g. Moon Dust:  As a specialized aspect of its over-all [intelligence] materiel exploitation program, Headquarters USAF has established Project Moon Dust to locate, recover and deliver descended foreign space vehicles.  ICGL #4, 25 April 1961, delineates collection responsibilities." 

Thus Moon Dust is an "aspect" of a larger "over-all" intelligence materiel exploitation program of AF Intelligence.  The IGCL 4 in line with that, when read together with the Betz memo, refers to Moon Dust reporting of satellite reentries and space decays, especially intelligence-sensitive "retrieval and examination" (exploitation) of "descended Soviet space vehicles" (and such) -- which are part of just such an "overall materiel exploitation program" (Col. Betz) or "overall project" (ICGL-4) as densely stated in ICGL-4 para. 6:

"Because of the intelligence connotations of MOON DUST regarding retrieval and examination by ATIC of a descended Soviet space vehicle, the overall project is classified Confidential, and MOON DUST Alerts are normally on a Confidential basis because of the intelligence association with [satellite] decay estimates.  The basic decay estimates (identification of the object and estimated date and hour of decay) are in themselves normally unclassified.  Thus, decay estimates, as such, can be released to observers or observatories...

Frank Warren jumped into the conversation. He wrote, “Haven't read all the minutia via this thread, so apologies if this has already been offered up. The attached partial file cites "Project" Moon Dust 3 times by my count, including the line that reads: "Project Moon Dust was suspended on 4 August 1960.”

Those documents were contained information from the Air Force that used the term Project Moon Dust. They follow here (note – they are not sequential):


Once again, Brad Sparks took a look at the material offered and then wrote:

Thanks Frank. 

The count of how many times "Project" is used with "Moon Dust" does not "count" too much, so to speak. :)  

What counts is whether there is any direct evidence (so far there is none) of a central national or global AF office called "Project Moon Dust," with a HQ address, a named Commander or Project Officer or both, a chain of command identified, a charter directive that set it up, an org chart, maybe some letterhead with "Project Moon Dust" at the top with HQ address, telephone, teletype address, etc., maybe 2 or 3 of the foregoing would be good.  Even better would be a Unit History of a national or worldwide Project Moon Dust for a recurring period, one for each year going back to its founding.  But we have nothing like that. 

Your 39th Air Division History (USAF in Japan) excerpt actually re-emphasizes the impression that "Project Moon Dust" was just an activity alert designation -- just like "Base UFO Officer" at each AF Base under Blue Book, where those Base UFO Officers were NOT Blue Book or part of BB nor were they their own "Project."  Just an assigned duty episodically carried out

This 39th AD History July-Dec 1960 states that "Project Moon Dust" was an AF-wide "intelligence alert" -- not an AF-wide office or military unit

"On 28 June 1960, we were alerted to look for signs of a Soviet missile shot to the mid-Pacific. The Navy was surveilling Soviet telemetry vessels which had moved into the usual Soviet test range in the Pacific; a test shot was expected to follow quickly. 

"Captain George L. Griffith, A0565506, was appointed project officer for Project "Moon Dust," a USAF-wide intelligence alert intended to sight and report Soviet missiles in flight or downed."

This "Project Moon Dust" in Japan could hardly be in Texas, too, etc.  

After barely a month this "Project Moon Dust was suspended on 4 August 1960" -- meaning the Moon Dust alert had been ended, until the next time.  It could hardly be a functioning military unit if it got activated and deactivated every few months or so. 

I suspect, but as yet cannot prove with a shred of documentation, that the AF Intelligence 1127th Field Activities Group at Ft Belvoir, VA, and predecessor units, might have served as a national or global "Project Moon Dust" as merely another hat for the Commander of the 1127th -- just like UFO field investigations were one of several assigned duties for the 1127th -- but unlike with UFOs where the 1127th was just backing up Project Blue Book, maybe (and this is speculative) someone tried to semi-formalize the 1127th organizationally as a "Project Moon Dust" dual entity.  Or maybe "Project Moon Dust" was a Division of the 1127th (which had several Divisions like the Air Attache Division). 

There is some countervailing evidence against this dual-hat, AF-wide central national HQ Project Moon Dust = 1127th theory, though.  ATIC also ran Moon Dust field team(s) seemingly apart from the 1127th, it is unclear.  That would mean TWO AF-wide "Project Moon Dusts"!!  But maybe the ATIC Moon Dust was subordinate to the 1127th's "Project Moon Dust."  Just don't know. 

Another bad piece of evidence against any AF-wide "Project Moon Dust" in, or as, the 1127th is the 1967 AF Intelligence History that includes the 1127th's History.  There is a "MOON DUST" subsection under "OVERT/SENSITIVE COLLECTION AND SUPPORT" but there is no mention of any 1127th acting as a HQ "Project Moon Dust" or any Project Moon Dust Division of the 1127th.  

It states that Moon Dust was an activity whereby NORAD SPADATS notified the 1127th's higher level supervisory staff in AF Intelligence at the Pentagon (Operations Plans Branch AFNIAAB of AF Intell AFNIN) of the deorbitings of 49 Soviet space objects and 17 US space objects (presumably spy satellites) in last half 1967, which must have been passed on to the 1127th as part of their procedure. 

The 1967 AF Intell / 1127th History is not shy about naming names and even HQs of, for example, 1127th's Dallas Resident Agency subordinated to the CIA Domestic Collection Service office in Houston, similarly in Chicago and LA.  This is on the same page as the MOON DUST subsection!  But no "Project Moon Dust" office specified anywhere.

Brad Sparks makes some very interesting observations about Moon Dust. It is clear from other documentation, specifically from the Department of State, that they were responding to directives or procedures issued by some authority. The question becomes is if that authority is the office that Sparks suggests, or if it is a series of rules and regulations initiated by another organization. Under those conditions, it is possible that Moon Dust was just an identifier as Sparks suggested.

However, there is another part of this that hasn’t been explored. Robert Todd learned that the name, Moon Dust, had been compromised. Todd requested the new name, what new code word was, but he was told that it was properly classified. It was not releasable.

That would also, seem to suggest, that there was no “Project” Moon Dust, but that Moon Dust was a code word needed for access to the information gathered under the umbrella of Moon Dust. It seems that the Department of State had been a little less than diligent in their protection of classified information.

The problem that arises is that there were teams that investigated Moon Dust incidents. As Sparks noted, there is a draft document that was leaked into the UFO community that referred to Project Moon Dust. It provided for its mission, its manning, and other aspects of its organization. But this was a draft document and we have seen no evidence that it was implemented, meaning, we have no further documentation for it.

I will note that as I looked through the Project Blue Book files, I did find reference to something designated as Project Horse Fly. This was a proposal to develop teams of junior officers who would deploy to UFO sighting locations to conduct investigations of those sightings. There is no evidence that the project moved beyond the planning stage. You can read about it here:

Given what Brad Sparks has provided, and the direction of the conversation, I have to wonder if he isn’t right about this. There was something called Moon Dust but was it a project or a code word for some other project? That means that the collection of the intelligence under the Moon Dust code was for another project, something hidden deeper.

We do have documents that mention the recovery of space debris, but in nearly all those cases, the debris was identified as terrestrial. Had they found something truly extraordinary it might have been sent forward for analysis under another name or project designation. Moon Dust was the cover for the important aspect of the research just as Blue Book turned out to be the cover for another UFO investigation that was hinted about by Allen Hynek and General Bolender.

Moon Dust might not be the proper name of the project that controlled the Moon Dust activities. We have seen hints about this and how various Air Force organizations have been tasked with UFO research in the past. It does seem, however, that Moon Dust, as an independent project might not have existed…

Or for the conspiracy mined, it was the cover for the real investigation. When the Air Force told Senator Bingaman that there was no Project Moon Dust and that the project had never existed, maybe that was the truth. Moon Dust was the code word for the real project and we just haven’t found it… Yet.

Friday, April 23, 2021

Coast-to-Coast AM: The Latest Navy Videos


Last week I discussed the latest Navy video showing pyramid-shaped objects near a number of US military vessels. This week, I received information from a listener who noted that the objects on that video looked like those produced in by a civilian. He provided a link to a YouTube video in which someone had attached a cell phone camera to a night vision device and hit record. The video shows an object that resembles that found on the Navy videos also captured using night vision devices. Here’s the link to that video:

Talking with John Greenewald, he wondered if this latest might not be Condon 2.0. The Condon Committee was created in the 1960s to review the Air Force investigation. It was organized after years of discussion about ways to remove the UFO investigation from the Air Force. That, and a way of belittling UFO sightings, was the mission. We know this because the conclusions of the investigation were written prior to the beginning of the investigation. The Condon Committee was to say some positive things about the Air Force investigations, that there was no threat to national security and that nothing of scientific value could be learned by further research. Here’s the link to that letter:

In other words, these were the recommendations made by the CIA sponsored Robertson Panel in 1953. Like the Condon Committee that followed, the purpose of the Robertson Panel was not to investigate, but to provide a “scientific” label to the investigations so that it seemed something important had been accomplished. They spent five days looking at the evidence and decided that there was nothing to UFO sightings. They suggested finding a mysterious sighting that was later revealed to be something ordinary. Take the mystery out of UFOs, and the problem would go away.

Dr. Edward U. Condon.

They suggested that teachers not allow students to research UFOs. They wanted to end the interest in the topic by claiming there was nothing to it. The suggested that the whole phenomena be “debunked.

At that point the Air Force began a debunking campaign, which failed. The officers in charge of Project Blue Book were selected because of there anti-UFO bias. They appended labels to sightings that had no real relation to the sightings. Once a case was labeled as anything other than “unidentified,” they were happy about it.

As noted, this all culminated in the Condon Committee, which ended the public end of the Air Force investigation. Documentation suggests that sightings were still investigated, but there was no longer a requirement for the results to be made public. They could just say that they no longer investigated UFO sightings and let it go at that.

Now we have a situation with the Navy providing a mysterious video that we now find to be duplicated by digital cameras and night vision devices. Could it be that the Navy, and by extension the Deep State, is attempting to implement the plans suggested by Robertson and reaffirmed by Condon to end public interest in UFOs?

This is what I now fear. The Navy will investigate these sightings that have had so much public scrutiny. They had already acknowledged that the videos released at Navy video were authentic, meaning they were videos made by Naval personnel. They offered no explanation for them. But, as I noted, there are similar videos that do not required an extraterrestrial explanation. If the Navy determines that the videos are a result of the interface of digital cameras and night vision devices and not alien visitation, won’t that go a long way to convince many that there is no case of alien visitation, regardless of what other evidence is presented.

Rather than move toward Disclosure, we now move back to the darkest days of UFO research when nearly everyone was making fun to the topic. The investigations can again be hidden behind a curtain of ridicule that intimidates witnesses, prevents solid academic research, and an attempt to learn the truth. We enter a new dark age in the search for answers about UFOs.

Saturday, April 17, 2021

The Latest NAVY UAP Video

One frame from the latest Navy video of a UAP.

As I have mentioned, John Greenewald and I had discussed the Navy release of videos that seemed to show a triangular-shaped object near their ships. In one case, it was said that the object was a mere 700 feet over the USS Russell. The Navy verified that the videos were authentic, meaning only that they were videos taken by Navy personnel and had come from Navy sources. It didn’t mean that the Navy was saying that the videos showed alien spacecraft, though, at the moment, there is no terrestrial solution for the sightings. You can see the video here:

During our off-line discussions, John suggested that this might be Condon 2.0. Here he was referring to the 1969 study of UFOs made at the University of Colorado and chaired by Dr. Edward Condon. Although it was wrapped in the trappings of science, it was clear, from both documents released years later and comments by Condon at the time, that this was not a serious scientific study. The conclusions were drawn before the research began, and those conclusions were the ones reached at the end. Illustrative of this point was a letter written by Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Robert Hippler to Dr. Robert Low, of the Condon committee. I have written about all that at this blog and you can read these postings here:

What all this means is that the real purpose of the Condon Committee was to end the Air Force investigation into UFOs and convince the public, and science, that there was nothing to the sightings. All could be explained in the terrestrial.

Condon was actually the second attempt at this. The first took place in 1953 in a panel chaired by Dr. H. P. Robertson. Their conclusion was that there was nothing to UFOs other than a great deal of misinformation, misidentification and a misunderstanding of science. The panel suggested that sightings be debunked and when sightings that had once seemed mysterious were explained, the public fascination with UFOs would disappear.

They also saw a national security aspect. The military communication channels might be flooded with UFO reports at a time of national emergency. The panel wanted to alert the government to this possibility. You can read about the Robertson Panel in many sources including The UFO Encyclopedia by Jerome Clark, UFOs and Government by Dr. Michael Swords and Robert Powell (and many others) and several of my books, including The Conspiracy of Silence.

So, how does that get us to the latest Navy release?

John was suggesting that we have been presented with some intriguing information that seems inexplicable. He thought that there might be some classified drone project that was responsible for the sightings. He thought the plan might be to allow these seeming unidentified objects gain some national exposure and then they would be revealed as a drone project. People would hear these explanations and believe, as they had in the past, that once again, the UFOs, or in this case, the UAPs, had been identified. Nothing to see here.

And while that is an interesting theory, there might be another reason for this. A fellow calling himself JoeWhip provided another solution for the Navy sightings. He wrote, “This seems like the explanation for the triangle UAP. Color me totally unimpressed with these leaks. None show anything interesting, other than the tic tacs.” He then provided a link to a YouTube video:

Before you go look at that, let me add a little history here. Back in the 20th century, when video tape and video cameras were all the rage, I was often shown or given copies of UFO sightings that had been taped. In one case the object hovered in the distance for a long time until it slowly faded away. It was described as the “Bat Signal,” meaning that it had a couple of semicircles as the top and one at the bottom that vaguely resembled the Bat Signal. But this was the result of attempting to video tape a point of light in the distance. The camera, unable to resolve the image compensated so that it looked like a circular object with those markings on it. The point is that this was a camera artifact created when someone attempted to tape Venus early in the morning. Venus, of course, faded away as the sun rose and overpowered Venus as a light source.

Take a look at the video JoeWhip linked, and then look at the Navy videos. It seems that here is a good explanation for the videos that we have. I find it hard to believe that someone in the Navy didn’t know exactly what the videos showed. The similarity is difficult to reject.

I will note that this doesn’t explain all the sightings by the Naval personnel, and it doesn’t explain why there are reports of the object following one of the ships for 90 minutes, or how they determined that the UAP was 700 feet over the ship. It does seem to suggest that the video released by the Navy is an artifact created by the night optics in use and the video equipment in play.

This is why the John suggested we are at Condon 2.0. We have a mystery. It has received play in the mainstream media, and then, suddenly, we be given an explanation. Once again, UFOs, or in his case, a UAP, is explained in the mundane. This doesn’t negate all the great UFO information that has been collected but it does seem to explain this latest video. People tend to remember the explanation rather than the mystery and then reject all the other relevant information.

No, I’m not 100 percent convinced that these latest videos are explained, but I have to say, it does look that way. What we need now is more information about the visual sightings by those who weren’t using night vision equipment, and if the objects were tracked by radar. We need more information before we can mark explained to the whole body of sightings, but all that is lost in the videos the Navy released.