About
a year ago, David Grusch showed up on the UFO scene talking about UFO crashes.
In the course of his revelations, he mentioned a dozen UFO crashes over the
years. Now, I sometimes think that I’m the leading expert on UFO crashes,
having inherited the title from the late Len Stringfield, so I believe can
speculate with some expertise on the subject of UFO crashes. Without Len, we
might not even be having this conversation but Len brought the whole subset of
UFO crashes into the public arena.
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For
those who are unfamiliar with this, Len began investigating tales of UFO
crashes, years before the rest of us climbed on that bandwagon. He collected
the stories with little in the way of critical comment. His theory was to
publish the information, knowing that someone would attempt to verify it.
Without that beginning, we wouldn’t be having this discussion today.
That
brings us to David Grusch, who “leaked” some information about crashes but not
very much. He mentioned two crashes. One at Roswell that is so well known now
that it was an answer on Jeopardy! The other was something alleged to
have happened in Italy in 1933. Americans captured the craft from the Italians at
the end of the Second World War.
Italian
UFO researchers, who investigated the claims about the case some twenty to
thirty years ago, concluded that it was a hoax. It would seem that anyone on
the inside, that is the people feeding information to Grush, would have known
that. You can see the evidence here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2023/06/david-grush-and-1933-italian-ufo-crash.html
Connected
to Roswell, is the reported case of a crash of a craft on the Plains of San
Agustin in western New Mexico. This tale was linked to the Roswell UFO crash
when Stan Friedman suggested that two alien craft had collided, one falling to
earth near Roswell and the other much farther to the west. The best evidence is
that this aspect of the Roswell case is a hoax. You can learn more about it
here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Plains+of+San+Agustin
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/04/did-herbert-dick-lie-about-being-on.html
http://www.cufos.org/books/Plains_of_San_AgustinR.pdf
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-plains-of-san-agustin-crash.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2022/09/lue-elizondo-and-two-crashes-on-same-day.html
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/other-roswell-crash-secret-of-plain
From
that point, Grusch has said that he has more information about the other ten,
that he had talked to people who had seen some of these craft, but that he
hasn’t seen anything himself. Don Schmitt, Tom Carey, and I can make the same
claim. The difference is that we have named names. Lots of names. Some turned
out to be charlatans, others just felt they wanted to tell an interesting
story, and a few thought of it was a way to financial gain. But there is a
solid core of individuals who were there and who were first-hand witnesses. You
can learn about some of them here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2007/07/edwin-easley-and-roswell.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2009/09/paul-kimball-lance-moody-ufos-and-me.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2023/11/new-documentation-for-roswell-easley.html
My
point is that some of us have been around long enough that we can figure out
what crashes Grusch has been told about. In no particular order, here is what I
know about this. The Aztec, New Mexico crash on March 25, 1948, is probably the
first UFO crash that gained any sort of national attention. Frank Scully
published a book, Behind the Flying Saucers, that told the tale of the
crash. Though he mentioned a couple of other alleged crashes, he focused on the
Aztec event because he had talked to the men who knew all about.
The
story was that craft was found near tiny Aztec, was recovered by the military
and had contained bodies of the Venusian flight crew. The story was exposed as
a hoax and for those interested in following this down the rabbit hole, I
suggest reading Scully’s book, then William Steinman’s compilation of nonsense,
UFO Crash at Aztec and finally Scott Ramsey’s The Aztec Incident
on the pro side but with supporting evidence that is weak to nonexistent.
Ramsey did a good job of running down alleged witnesses, but he didn’t have the
opportunity to interview anyone with first-hand knowledge. In other words,
Ramey and his team interviewed people who knew people who said they knew
something about the case. And some of those witnesses said that there had been
no crash.
There
is good evidence on the other side of the argument, you can read Monte Shriver’s
investigation on this blog here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013/02/aztec-in-perspective-by-monte-shriver.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013/02/aztec-in-perspective-by-monte-shriver_8.html
I
suspect one of the better tales is that from Kecksburg, Pennsylvania on
December 9, 1965. This case is the bailiwick of Stan Gordon who was on the
scene within hours to investigate and has carried out that investigation over
the decades. Working with Leslie Kean, Gordon even sued NASA in an attempt to
gather additional information. However, like so much in this aspect of UFO
crashes, there is a plausible alternative. You can read more about this case
here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/11/x-zone-broadcast-network-stan-gordon.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/01/x-zone-boardcast-network-stan-gordon.html
The
Del Rio, Texas, UFO crash has been the subject of an ongoing investigation for decades.
It was accepted by UFO researchers in the beginning because a high ranking,
retired Air Force officer, provided an affidavit proving the authenticity of
his information. This crash, misidentified as the El Indio – Guerrero crash was
included in the MJ-12 documents, providing even more credibility. The problem
was the high-ranking officer, Robert Willingham was not a high-ranking officer,
was not a fighter pilot as claimed and the documentation from both the military
records center in St. Louis and the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver did
not verify his officer status. He was, according to the available information,
a low-ranking enlisted man who served only thirteen months on active duty. You
can read more about that here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/08/absense-of-evidence.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/03/ihave-argued-for-years-that-eisenhower.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/06/mj-12-and-cognitive-dissonance.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/07/del-rio-ufo-crash-and-mj-12.html
One
of the reports that has received traction in the last couple of years was the
story from little San Antonio, New Mexico, about a crash there in 1945. Dr.
Jacques Vallee, along with Paola Harris published a book, Trinity: The Best
Kept Secret, that provided two eyewitness accounts of the crash and
retrieval. Those witnesses, who were youngsters at the time of crash offered
shifting accounts as to the date, the names of other witnesses, and the
military recovery operation. Douglas Dean Johnson has made an in-depth study of
that case and has provided amazing evidence that it never happened. You can
read all about it here:
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/douglas-dean-johnson-exposes-jacques-vallee-and-the-trinity-ufo-hoax
https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-file-the-reme-baca-smoking-gun-interview/
https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-the-trinity-ufo-crash-hoax/
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/06/trinity-best-kept-secret-critique.html
I
learned of the Las Vegas UFO crash as I was conducting research into the
Roswell case. I interviewed witnesses in Utah who had seen a low flying UFO
about fifteen minutes before the craft was seen to explode in the sky east of
Las Vegas, Nevada. Hundreds of witnesses in Las Vegas saw that explosion. The
Air Force wrote the case off as a bolide, that is a bright meteor, but I
originally had reason to suspect that was not a good answer. However,
additional investigation has led me to conclude the Air Force explanation was probably
accurate, but there are many who still do not accept that answer. You can read
more about it here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?q=Las+Vegas+UFO+Crash
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2008/08/las-vegas-ufo-crash.html
One
of what is considered among the first UFO crashes took place in tiny Aurora,
Texas in April 1897. The craft allegedly hit a windmill and exploded. The local
residents found the mangled body of the lone occupant and buried it in the
Aurora cemetery. UFO researchers began to visit Aurora to validate this early
case, which was a hoax started by a stringer for a Dallas newspaper. You can
read more about this here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2005/03/aurora-texas-story-that-wont-die.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2018/04/aurora-texas-again.html
The
case of a crash near Kingman, Arizona in 1953 might be included because the
original story was told by a man who seemed credible. He said, and the evidence
proved, that he had worked in the Frenchman Flats area of southern Nevada on a
project that dealt with atomic energy. He also said that he was assigned in
some capacity to Project Blue Book. There is no evidence that this claim is
true.
Although
originally called Fritz Werner by Raymond Fowler in an article published in
1976, his real name was Arthur Stansel. He said that he had received a call in
May 1953 about some sort of important and classified event. As evidence of
this, Stansel provided two pages from his work calendar that mentioned a
special assignment, but no details were given.
He
boarded a bus with many others and taken to a site where they were given
specific jobs to do, they were not to speak to the others on the bus, and once
their task was completed, they were loaded back on the bus, with warnings that
they were never to mention this. In a rather stupid move, an Air Force NCO had
a list of names that he called out to ensure that people got to the places they
were to work.
Stansel
did see a disk that had crashed, and by accident, saw the deceased members of
the crew that were not human. He returned to Frenchman Flats and his regular
assignment.
Years
later, a woman, Judie Woolcott, said that her late husband had been part of the
recovery team, which added credibility to the tale. She claimed to have a
letter he had written to her while he served in Vietnam, providing some detail.
However, she was unable to produce the letter. She said he had been killed in
the Vietnam War. Her daughter later contacted me, explaining that her mother
made up tales and that her father had not died in Vietnam. You can read more
about that here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/05/kingman-ufo-crash-really.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-decline-and-fall-of-ufology.html
For
those interested in tales that have some physical evidence, is the case from
Ubatuba, Brazil. According to the most popular version, witnesses saw a craft
explode in the air, raining debris down on a local beach in September 1957.
Some of it was picked up by an unknown witness who sent it to a radio station
reporter. The material eventually made it to APRO here in the US. It has been
analyzed by several organizations including the Air Force that inadvertently
destroyed its sample. You can read more about this here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2010/05/ubatuba-ufo-sample.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/12/jacques-vallee-and-ten-unexplained-ufo.html
Recently,
Jacques Vallee reported that the date was wrong. The explosion took place much
earlier, prior to World War Two. Vallee’s information contradicts the
originally reported tale and Vallee offered nothing in the way of evidence.
According
to Len Stringfield, he was contacted by a woman who claimed that her grandfather
had been to the scene of a UFO crash near Cape Girardeau, Missouri, in 1941.
She claimed there had been a picture taken of the off-world creatures, but the
picture had been lost over the years. She only saw the picture and heard her
father taking about the crash. She saw nothing else.
A
man, who saw nothing himself but whose father had been involved also told his
story of the alleged crash. Other than these two people, who apparently saw
nothing themselves, no one else has come forward to validate the claim. There
are those who accept the story as real. You can read more about it here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2019/12/cape-girardeau-ufo-crash-1941.html
The
one case that has some credibility to it, other than Roswell, was the crash
that took place near Shag Harbour, Canada in 1968. It has been investigated
in-depth by Chris Styles and Don Ledger. They have uncovered official Canadian
documents, some of which were originally classified, proving that something
fell into the harbour and that both the Canadian and the US governments and
military responded, searching the downed craft. Like Roswell, everyone agrees
that some fell, it is the identity of that something that is in dispute. You
can learn more about it here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2021/05/just-last-friday-may14-another-video.html
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2017/02/x-zone-broadcast-network-don-ledger.html
So,
this is my speculation about the most likely UFO crashes that David Grusch
might have been talking about. It is basically a collection of highly suspect
tales, but these are ones that many of the alleged insiders have talked about
in the past. Some of what Grusch has said suggests that he has meet these
people.
Much
of what he has said is negated by his claim of inside information about the
Italian crash. If it is a hoax, as it most certainly is, then the insiders
feeding him information had no more inside knowledge that I do, or other UFO
researchers do. Our access is through interviews with known participants,
research into documents held by various federal and local government agencies,
travels to archives and newspaper morgues.
I
came to these speculations through reports that I have received from many
others in the UFO community. For example, I was told that Grusch spent time at
Skinwalker Ranch. I’m not going to comment on that particular investigation
here. I will note, however, that it did suggest that Grusch brushed elbows with
several once important members of various administrations in Washington, D.C.
And, I know what some of them have advocated in the past, which suggests where
some of Grusch’s inside information originated.
The
question really boils down to how many of the cases mentioned above are those
that Grusch believes were true, and how much of that information did he feed in
the various investigations conducted, in secret, to Congress?
The
point here is that without more specific information from Grusch and some of
those others, we are left with very little evidence. And if the majority of
Grusch’s information is from fraudulent crash reports, why should we waste time
chasing down the others.
True,
I believe Roswell represents something that might have been constructed
off-world, and there is good documentation for the Shag Harbour case, the best
conclusion to be drawn is that those other reports are either mistakes or
misidentifications. Unless Grusch can come up with something that is more
concrete than he has heard stories of credible people, he is not advancing the
case. In the long run, it will hurt it and no one will remember that I
cautioned against acceptance until we had more evidence. They will only
remember how Grusch’s inside information was little more than rumor,
speculation, and science fiction. So,
while Grusch might be an honest man whose is beyond reproach, that doesn’t mean
that the information he was given is any good. Just remember you heard it here
first.
As
a postscript, I will note that by typing the names of these cases in the search
engine on my blog, you’ll find additional information. By typing the names of
these cases into Google or other search engines, you’ll find additional information.
Many sites will provide counterpoints to what I have listed here, but I
reviewed many of those sites in the creation of my postings and often found
them wanting for good sources and the like.
