Saturday, January 27, 2024

Kirkpatrick, AARO, Project Mogul and Moore


On Friday, on my UFO Update on Coast-to-Coast AM, I mentioned an article written by the former director of AARO, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick who posted something of a rant about his time at AARO. It was clear from his article that he was anti-alien visitation. There is a history of those who have been put in charge of UFO, or in this case UAP, investigation who have had a dislike for the topic and who were predisposed against the idea of alien visitation.

Sean Kirkpatrick briefing senators on UAP and ARRO.

For those who are interested in another aspect of this, I will attach, at the end of my analysis, that of Dr. David Rudiak, who goes into Kirkpatrick’s rather unscientific belief that Project Mogul explains the Roswell UFO debris.

First, we need to examine, briefly, the history of official UFO investigations which is filled with those at the top being radically anti-UFO. It began in the late 1940s when General Hoyt S. Vandenberg refused to accept an intelligence analysis suggesting that some flying saucers were alien craft. After looking at the report, known as the Estimate of the Situation (EOTS), he ordered the document declassified and then burned.

This bothered me. During my career as an Air Force intelligence officer, I dealt with classified material all the time. I destroyed many out-of-date documents that would have created a great deal of clutter in the safe. There is nothing nefarious about this and every intelligence officer, as a matter of routine, has destroyed out-of-date documents.

I also tossed out unclassified documents without needing to document their destruction. The question that springs to mind is why would Vandenberg have ordered the EOTS declassified and then destroyed? The answer is that if it was classified, there would need to be a record of its destruction. It would prove that the document had existed. But, if it was declassified first, then no such documentation would be needed.

Ed Ruppelt of Project Blue Book said that he had seen one copy of it. There wouldn’t have been many created given the nature of the EOTS and its purpose. No more than a dozen and probably fewer. So, one survived for a period and Ruppelt read it. He said that it concluded that some flying saucers were alien spacecraft and Vandenberg didn’t accept that conclusion.

Captain Edward Ruppelt.

That is the first instance of a high-ranking officer deciding that certain information must be kept from the public. I won’t speculated as to why Vandenberg believed that. I will say that we all can figure it out.

And, I will note that if the Chief of Staff of the Air Force didn’t accept the idea of alien visitation, then those officers who valued their careers felt the same way. Once Vandenberg made it clear there were no flying saucers, his subordinates followed his lead. They weren’t interested in finding evidence that contradicted the highest-ranking member of the Air Force.

Ruppelt, when he was appointed as the chief of Project Blue Book tried to make it a proper, unbiased investigation. For a period of 18 months or so, that is what happened. Once he was given a new assignment, the old guard took over. At one-point, Blue Book was made up of very junior personnel. According to Jerry Clark, what followed was a series of men who were rabidly anti-saucer. Not much in the way of investigation took place though sighting reports were gathered and most were “identified.”

In January, 1953, the CIA convened a panel of scientists to review the facts gathered by Project Blue Book. Both Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the scientific consultant to Blue Book and Ed Ruppelt were there. Their testimony was limited. The investigation lasted about five days.

The panel concluded there was nothing to alien spacecraft visitation. It was all misidentified objects, weather and astronomical phenomena, hallucinations and hoaxes. The problem here was that the final report was written before the panel even met. Dr. Michael Swords laid this out in both the International UFO Reporter and in the book he co-authored with Robert Powell, UFOs and Government. I examined this in UFOs and the Deep State. Both books provide footnotes and sources.

Beginning in the late 1950, there was a move by many in both the Air Force and higher levels of government (dare I say, the Deep State here) to get rid of Air Force responsibility to investigate UFO. Documents found in the Project Blue Book files outline all this. Eventually, the Air Force decided to find a university that would make an investigation into the phenomenon. The result was that the University of Colorado accepted a grant to make the scientific study of UFOs. The problem here, as it was in the past, was that the final conclusions written before they began their investigation. This has been documented through the correspondence between the members of what became know as the Condon Committee and the Air Force. I have written about it on this blog and you can read it here:

David Rudiak focused primarily on Kirkpatrick’s Project Mogul explanation for the Roswell case. I would have thought that a scientist, charged by Congress to make an investigation would have been smart enough to make a literature search as he began his quest. While studying for a Ph.D., that was among the very first things I did. I spent days in the various libraries at the University of Iowa, searching through the journals, magazines and sources of information as I worked to define exactly what my research would be and what had gone on and published by others so that I didn’t repeat their research. I used it to define what my research would be. Apparently, Kirkpatrick didn’t bother with that before writing his rant.

As I say David Rudiak examined what Kirkpatrick had written and provided a commentary on it. Rudiak provided a link to an interview concerning this and then wrote:

(See 20 min. in)

Sean Kirkpatrick, "retired" director of AARO, allegedly declared in aninterview with CNN's Peter Bergen Jan. 23, that AARO "dug deep into Roswell".  Bergen then states that in the late 1940s and 50s there were "a lot of strange things" happening near Roswell.  "There was a top secret spy program called Mogul which launched long strings of oddly shaped metallic spy balloons into the air.  At the same time the US military was conducting tests with other high altitude balloons that were carrying human dummies and there was at least one military plane crash with 11 fatalities.  Kirkpatrick and his team at AARO concluded that crashed Mogul balloons, the recovery operations to retrieve crashed test dummies, and glimpses of the aftermath of that real plane crash likely combined into a single narrative, a narrative matching the mood of the country at that moment."

Then Kirkpatrick actually speaks: "...there was this fear coming out of World War II, everybody's still raw from the War and there's lots of technological issues that people were trying to wrap their mind around. And that affected what people saw and how they reported.  I think the same thing is true today."

So basically Kirkpatrick and AARO's supposed "deep dive" into Roswell (at least according Bergen's narration) is really just a complete regurgitation of AFOSI's 1995 Mogul balloon and 1997 crash dummy reports (which included the plane crash), combined with the latter's "time compression theory" that dummy tests from the 50s were confused with the events of 1947 to become alien bodies.  Thus we learn that these events really all occurred "at the same time" as Roswell and were somehow combined by the public into just one event because they were still traumatized from WWII. (The trauma apparently gave the public precognitive abilities so that they were aware of plane crashes and crash dummy tests from the future.)  We also learn that Mogul consisted of "oddly shaped metallic spy balloons".  So apparently the foil radar targets were also compressed with round rubber balloons to create these oddly shaped metallic balloons that people thought were flying saucers. Psychological trauma does really strange things with people's minds.

Why didn't I figure this out?  Brilliant sleuthing Kirkpatrick and AARO.  Case closed!  Time to hang up my spurs and try to sell my tin foil hat on eBay.  You too Kevin.

I received a call last week and was tipped off by a science reporter that Kirkpatrick was going to try to debunk Roswell as a Mogul balloon and was looking for rebuttal material, which I provided him.  I didn't realize just how bad and inaccurate it was going to be.  Kirkpatrick has always struck me as a slimy tool, but Bergen was even worse. The whole episode is dripping with condescension and ridicule, not to mention being highly inaccurate with even basic facts. What ever happened with real journalism that tried to stick to facts and play it straight?

We also learn that UFOs can be explained as our new technology that the public is unfamiliar with or spy technology of foreign adversaries. Isn't that more probable than aliens coming here?  I ask you.  Really!

Another interesting angle here came from an interview by skeptic reporter Steven Greenstreet of the NY Post.  He interviewed Brandon Fugal, who bought the Skywalker Ranch in 2016.  Fugal told him that in 2018 he was invited to give a briefing to Senate staffers of the Armed Service and Intelligence committees, but just as he was about to start, the person at the head of the table said words to the effect: "Before we proceed any further, I want to establish an understanding.  All the gentleman here, Mr. Fugal, that you're presenting to are all very well aware of the reality of UFO phenomena. So please dispense with any part of your presentation that would seek to convince us of the reality because we already know."

Greenstreet then asks, "Who said that?" Fugal responds, "One of the individuals leading the discussion." He doesn't say who.

Greenstreet's video then shows a photo of Sean Kirkpatrick and comments, "A source familiar with this meeting told me this was Sean Kirkpatrick."

So if this is accurate, and I strongly suspect it is, Kirkpatrick knows better and is just another government disinformation agent. It also seems that AARO's investigations are basically a farce. But we already strongly suspected that as well.

There are several points that Rudiak didn’t mention. The balloon launches from Alamogordo in 1947 were conducted by New York University and were not classified. The culprit in this was the balloon array scheduled to be launched on June 4, 1947 but, according to the field notes and other documentation created at the time by Dr. Albert Crary, confirmed that the launch had been cancelled. It could not have dropped "oddly shaped metallic spy balloons.”

Based on my interviews with Charles Moore, one of the engineers working in New Mexico in 1947, when a flight was cancelled, they couldn’t put the helium back in the bottles. They sometimes conducted other experiments with a cluster of balloons, which were did not involve the whole array. One such cluster was launched later in the day on June 4, but did not contain any rawin radar targets, that is the “oddly shaped metallic spy balloons.”

Charles Moore reviewing winds aloft data that I supplied.
Photo by Kevin D. Randle in Socorro, NM.

It should also be noted that, according to the records available, the first launches in New Mexico, which began with the attempted Flight #4, did not include any rawin targets. We know this because Moore told me that Flight #4 was made up the same way as Flight #5 and it contained no rawin targets. The documentation exists to prove this. Flight #5 was the first successful flight launched in New Mexico.

And, I will note that Moore, in his report on this controversy said that Flight #4 had actually been launched at two or three in the morning in violation of the rules under which they operated. Not to mention that according to Crary, the flight was cancelled at dawn. So, according to Moore, the flight was launched before it was cancelled.

I could go on with this but I have reported on it in Roswell in the 21st Century and Understanding Roswell. I have also posted several blogs on this. You can access them all by using the search engine on the left side of the blog. Here are a few of the more relevant postings:

As I say, just type Project Mogul into the search engine and it will bring up all the articles and discussions concerning Mogul. There are, or course, redundancies, but that is for the convenience of the reader so that he or she doesn’t have to search through earlier comments to understand the situation.

I mention all of this for the perspective on Kirkpatrick’s rant. He said that he had been charged by Congress to bring science-based clarity and resolution to the long-standing mystery of credible observations of UAP.

This is the same claim made by H. P. Robertson in 1953 and by Edward Condon in 1969. It is the same claim made by the Air Force throughout the 1950s and 1960s. But we have been subjected to the same anti-UFO sentiments and misleading comments for years, all made by credible sources who have a particular agenda. It wasn’t to provide the truth or an unbiased look at UFOs and now UAP. It was always about hiding information and attempting to head off independent research. I see nothing here that suggests a transparent investigation but more of the same sort of duplicity.

Kirkpatrick is annoyed that his efforts were derailed by sensational but unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence. I can say the same things about his investigation made behind closed doors that ignored contradictory evidence. His investigation was limited to official sources. This is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Had he asked, I certainly could have supplied some of the evidence that he told us didn’t exist.

He said that no record exists of any president or living member of the intelligence community having knowledge of any highly classified program and that someone at the top of the government would have been briefed at some point. He found no record of that. I pointed many of those sorts of records in UFOs and the Deep State.

I’ll note the qualification which is living member. There are examples of several highly placed people talking about secret programs. General Bolender said sightings involved with national security were not part of the Blue Book system. Allen Hynek said the really good cases never made it to Blue Book and we know that his investigation into the Socorro landing was cut short when he wanted to continue the research in New Mexico.

And I, as well as many others, can point to sources, no longer with us, who provide good insight into the UFO phenomenon and the Roswell case. This would include Brigadier General Thomas DuBose, Brigadier General Arthur Exon, Colonel Edwin Easley and Colonel Patrick Saunders to name but four who had inside and intimate knowledge of the Roswell case. Their testimonies are available on audio and video tape.

Brigadier General Arthur Exon.
Photo courtesy of Tom Carey.

I could go on in this vein, but this is already longer than I had intended. It just provides a counter to Kirkpatrick’s rant. I doubt those in power want the counterpoints. It interferes with their message which is there is nothing to see here. Go on home.

Monday, January 15, 2024

UFO Crash Retrievals: Three with Explanations


Blogger’s Note: Periodically I feel the need to commit Ufological suicide. This means, simply, that a reference in some of the latest material about UFOs annoys me because I believe I have a solution for the cited cases. In the last few days, I have been asked questions about certain UFO crash/retrieval cases in which I have inside information. Or maybe a better way is to point out that my investigations include being on the site, interviews with witnesses, and a review of documents that suggest a solution that others have glossed over.

First on this agenda, is the report of a crash in Aurora, Texas, in April, 1897. I may have been one of the first of the current crop of investigators to have actually gone there and talked to some of those residents who were still alive in 1971 when I made the trip. I have covered this case several times on this blog and you can read those analyses here:

There are three facts that are often overlooked in a discussion of Aurora. First, in the decade that followed, and according to the Wise County Historical Society (Aurora is in Wide County), two histories of the county were written. Neither contained an account of the UFO crash. Since the histories were written so close to the event, there would have been many witnesses available but none were found… well, that’s not exactly accurate. There were none to be found because the case is a hoax.

Photo of Aurora, Texas by Kevin Randle

Second, in the interviews that I conducted in 1971, I talked with the man, Brawley Oates, whose hands were badly deformed. He told me then that the crash hadn’t taken place. We are now told that others, who never spoke to Oates, but who did interview his widow, that there are reports of radioactivity in the area.

Third, we are told of all the other Airship reports from the era. I’ve reviewed, literally, hundreds of them. The Airship landed in various locations and the crews were interviewed. Some said they were on the way to bomb the Spanish as the Spanish-America War was not far off. There were tales of secret testing the Airship which would soon be revealed to the world, but never was.

There are dozens of illustrations of the Airship and one photograph. The Airship had landed in Waterloo, Iowa, when the leader of crew fell overboard and drowned in the Cedar River. Later is was all admitted to be a hoax.

The Waterloo Airship, 1897.

Second, let’s talk about the Del Rio, Texas, UFO crash. I’m not going into depth here because I have provided much more information about my investigations and other aspects of this case. It is single witness, the report provided by a man who lied about his military service, who changed the data of the crash repeatedly, and did sign an affidavit for CUFOS. I am convinced that his name was Robert Willingham, but nearly everything else he said was untrue.

I mentioned the changing date. I found the first reference to the crash in Skylook, the original publication of MUFON. It said:

Col. R. B. Willingham, CAP squadron commander, has had an avid interest in UFO’s for years, dating back to 1948 when he was leading a squadron of F-94 jets near the Mexican border in Texas and was advised by radio that three UFO’s "flying formation" were near. He picked them up on his plane radar and was informed one of the UFO’s had crashed a few miles away from him in Mexico. He went to the scene of the crash but was prevented by the Mexican authorities from making an investigation or coming any closer than 60 feet. From that vantage point the wreckage seemed to consist of "numerous pieces of metal polished on the outside, very rough on the inner sides."

Please note that in one of the latest reports on this, the date is December 6, 1950. When I interviewed Willingham, he said that he didn’t remember the exact date but it was either 1954 or 1955. Willingham told Noe Torres and Ruben Uriate, that he had served in Korea in the fall of 1950. Given that tale, it would have been impossible for him to be flying fighters in the United States at the time he was in Korea.

Willingham in his CAP Uniform. He never served as an
officer in the Air Force and was not a fighter pilot.

I will point out there is no official documentation showing that Willingham was ever an officer in the Armed Forces of the United States. He did serve with the Civil Air Patrol which is not the same thing. For those interested in this whole, sad tale, you can find all the information here:

There are other articles, but they often repeat much of the same information. To research all of them, just type “Willingham” in the search engine and scroll through the articles. I’ll note that some of the comments do get interesting.

Finally, the Kingman UFO crash has reared its ugly head again. This was one of the first crash/retrievals to gain some traction. The original story is traced to Arthur Stansel, who was interviewed by to teenagers, Jeff Young and Paul Chetham. During that interview, Stansel told of a UFO crash near Kingman, Arizona, on May 21, 1953.

Kingman, Arizona. Photo by Kevin Randle.

He talked about taken by bus from his base in Nevada to the crash site where he put his engineering background to work. He said that the windows of the bus were blacked out and those on the bus were not allowed to share any information about themselves including their names. But, once at the crash site, their names were called as they exited the bus. That really makes no sense.

Again, rather than go through all this, I’ll just point to a series of postings here for review.

There are two points to be made here. First, Stansel said, repeatedly, that when he drank, he tended to make up stories. He told Young and Chetham that he had been drinking on that Saturday afternoon prior to the interview.

Much had been made about the affidavit he signed. The trouble is that it was in the name, Fritz Werner, which, of course, invalidates the affidavit, since that was not his real name and was a lie.

The overall problem is that in these three cases, there is clear evidence of hoax. Often these aspects are not fully reported. My philosophy has always been to report are relevant facts and let the reader decide what to belief. I’m not trying to build a case for alien visitation, just report, accurately on what I had learned. Often, I have investigated the cases myself in an attempt to discover the truth.

These are just three of the UFO crash/retrieval stories being circulated in the world today. If there were as many crashes as some have claimed, we would be having a different discussion. My hope here is to provide, well, a different perspective on some of the ongoing reports of UFO crashes. In too many cases, it is the will to believe that gets in the way of credible investigation.

Saturday, January 06, 2024

UFO Photo, Em Effects and Animal Reactions

Those who have been following my reports here know that I try to find sightings that last more than a minute. Anything less is open to misinterpretation. Mundane and terrestrial objects can appear strange in a sighting that lasts seconds. If the witness has a longer opportunity to observe the UFO, the better the chances it was something truly strange. Dr. J. Allen Hynek made a similar observation.

On December 18 of last year, the witness in Kelso, Washington, reported watching a disk-shaped UFO for thirty seconds. The UFO was black, moving smoothly from side to side and then flashed away. The witness said it was about six hundred feet in the air and that it was traveling at five hundred miles an hour. I will caution that these estimates are probably not as accurate as they could be.

According to the report on the National UFO Reporting Center website, the witness took a photograph that provided a second chain of evidence. The UFO is disk shaped, black, but is seen through the branches of a tree and overhead wires.

The Kelso, Washington UFO

There is a third chain of evidence as well. According to the report, there were electromagnet effects and that animals reacted to the UFO. This is an important case and I will attempt to follow up on it.

The following, also from the National UFO Reporting Center caught my attention for a couple of reasons. First, however, I need to note that I worry about sightings that last for hours, and I worry about repeaters, meaning here, that they saw the same thing the next night.

The witness, in Greensboro, NC said that beginning on December 12 of last year, he saw a bright, intense light hovering above the tree line. It was moving right and left with periods of hovering. He said it was pyramid shaped with what he described as tentacles hanging from it. There was some sort of blackness around the UFO, something like a cloud.

He wanted to get a picture but said that his cell phone was dead. He did get another cell phone but said the UFO wasn’t in focus. He couldn’t get a good picture of it.

He did say there was another witness who was on her way to work, and she saw the same thing. And, there was a report of animal reactions to the UFO.

In both these cases from the last month, there were reports of EM effects or a cell phone failure and reaction by animals. These extra points add some credibility to the sighting. Both cases can be reviewed at the National UFO Reporting Center website which can be found here: 

Monday, January 01, 2024

HIckson/Parker Lost Interview Tapes Recovered

Blogger’s Note: We are told, based on the scientific research of, well scientists such as Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, that memories fade rapidly. The best testimony is that taken within five days of the event. That taken within hours is certainly preferrable to that taken months, years, or decades later. We are told that each time we access a memory, it can by changed by the simple act of attempting to remember.

Dr. Ulric Neisser tested this in 1986 when the space shuttle Challenger exploded. He provided his first-year psychology students with a short questionnaire about the disaster asking, for example, how they had learned of the event, where they were and what they had been doing. He gave the same questionnaire to those same students as they finished their college education four years later. He found that about a quarter of them had memories that were at odds with what they had written on the day or two after the event. About half had some confusion or mistakes in their memory and about a quarter had accurate memories of the event.

The simple point here is that in any investigation, it is best to interview the witness as soon as possible. That as time passes memories can change with new information added and older information lost. When investigating the Pascagoula abduction of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, any information gathered within hours or a couple of days of the event is preferrable to that gathered decades later. If there is a discrepancy, the best course is to accept the first information over that gathered later.

I say all this as preamble to the following press release, that reports on audio files of the interviews conducted by Dr. James Harder and Dr. J. Allen Hynek literally within hours of the reported abduction that have recently been found. It provides a necessary history of APRO and the research conducted by that organization. It also reports on the project headed by David Marler to archive UFO related information in a central repository. Finally, it mentions the recovery of taped interviews with Hickson and Parker that had resided in the APRO files recently obtained by Marler’s project called National UFO Historical Records Center. This is, for UFO research, a truly historic find.

The Pascagoula Tapes.

Please note one other aspect of this. Unlike the situation in the past, in which researchers often withheld information for their own use, here is an example of sharing the information as soon as it was discovered. It is a move toward a more scientific attitude in UFO research. One that we all should take as a model.



 For decades, the civilian American UFO research group APRO (Aerial Phenomena Research Organisation) was the go-to UFO group headed by married couple Jim and Coral Lorenzen. Like most UFO groups it gradually faded away to be replaced by something else. APRO was without a doubt a pioneering UFO group and for decades after they closed down access to their archive of UFO files and related material was impossible.

It was therefore great news when David Marler, Executive Director of the National UFO Historical Records Center in Albuquerque, New Mexico put out a  press release. It seems coincidental that in early November 2023 I had been discussing the location of various files on social media when this great news was released by David Marler, the Executive Director of NUFOHRC.  It took the UFO community completely by surprise. Here is the press release in full dated November 28th 2023: 

The Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) was one of the oldest and largest civilian UFO research organizations in the world. The research files of this organization have been transferred to the National UFO Historical Records Center (NUFOHRC) in Rio Rancho, NM.   

Dave Marler and the Pascagoula Tapes.


Press Release


Dr. J. Allen Hynek, former Scientific Adviser to U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book, cited APRO and NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) the best civilian UFO groups of their time. Both of these collections of UFO archival records along with the files of the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) are now housed at the headquarters of NUFOHRC.

APRO was founded in 1952 by Jim and Coral Lorenzen, later based in Tucson, AZ. NICAP was started in 1957 in Washington D.C. by Major Donald Keyhoe. CUFOS was founded in 1973 by Dr. J. Allen Hynek in Chicago, IL. All of these records are in the process of being digitized for electronic storage, analyzation, transfer, and ease of access.

The collective files of APRO, NICAP, CUFOS, as well as Dr. J. Allen Hynek’s original U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book files, constitutes the largest civilian historical UFO case file collection in the United States, if not the world.

An appropriate site is being sought in the Albuquerque, NM area for a permanent facility to house this massive collection of UFO research data.

The facility will allow for public access to the UFO data as well as viewing of historic photos and artifacts from the UFO research field. NUFOHRC plans to cooperate with civilian, scientific, and governmental UFO research efforts.

Never in U.S. history has such a vast quantity of UFO records (numbering in the tens of thousands) been centralized in one location.

As a 501(c) (3) non-profit organization, a tax-deductible donation may be made to NUFOHRC to fund a free-standing public archive building which will make these files and other historical materials more readily accessible for UFO researchers, academics, scientists, and U.S. government organizations. Donations can be made online or via mail.

For more information, contact Executive Director David Marler at:

National UFO Historical Records Center

P.O. Box 15541

Rio Rancho, NM 87174


In short David Marler and NUFOHC were now in  possession of what I called the Holy Grail of civilian UFO research files. I have known David Marler for a number of years and I was happy to donate my own humble collection of UFO files and related material to NUFOHRC in 2023. David knows what projects and topics I am working on but it was going to take a good amount of time to go through the APRO files but I was confident that these long ‘lost’ files were now safe and could bear fruit.

The Pascagoula Tapes

Since 2018 I have been working with Calvin Parker on his encounter on the Pascagoula River, Mississippi on October 11th 1973. I worked with Calvin Parker right up until he died in August 2023. I spoke with him on the phone shortly before he died and told him that I’d continue to be the torch bearer for his and Charles Hickson’s encounter and the search would go on for more material.

Thankfully, I was joined in this research by my friend and colleague Dr Irena Scott from Ohio, USA. Over the last five years we have had amazing support from UFO groups and individuals around the world who have supplied us with all they have on the Pascagoula encounter. There are too many to mention but working with these amazing colleagues we have uncovered: documents and photos of the minor injuries on Parker & Hickson, the full transcript of their interview at Keesler AFB, the full unredacted US Coast Guard documents on the USO sighting in the Pascagoula River and the list goes on and on. This is a great example of how UFO researchers can work together. Nothing has come from the false claims of those stating that they ran a MoD UFO project or a secret DoD UFO study. The same applies to so-called ‘whistle-blowers’. They have put nothing on the table. In fact the whole ‘disclosure lobby’ has ignored the subject of alien abductions.

Dr Irena Scott and I have also obtained firsthand eyewitness testimony from UFO witnesses that first spoke up in 1973 and others who we have either located ourselves or have stepped out of the shadows in these last five years. In  fact they are still coming forward with several new witnesses being interviewed in the last few months. Some of these witnesses were in the direct vicinity of where Parker & Hickson had their encounter. Mr Charles Anderson was driving across the bridge that goes over the Pascagoula River when he saw the ‘blue UFO’ down below him. Mr Louis Lee was working on the opposite side of the river that night as a crane driver in the shipyard. As soon  as he got in  his cab he could see this ‘darn thing’ out over the river. And most fascinating of all are Mr and Mrs Blair. They were on the opposite side of the river that night and saw the Parker/Hickson encounter and they had their own alien abduction experience as well. 


It was much to my surprise and delight that I received a message from David Marler on Thursday December 28th (2023) asking the following:

“Do you have any of Harder’s regressive hypnosis tapes related to Pascagoula? I just found one in the APRO audio tapes. I’m listening to Calvin under hypnosis. Yes. I’m not with it now. But there are references to the event occurring just days before. Also, there is recorded discussion between Hynek and Fred Diamond.”

I replied immediately that I did not have this material and could I have a copy please. David, being the gent and genuine UFO researcher that he is, digitized these audio cassettes for me and they are now with me and Dr Irena Scott.

A colleague is already on standby to try and boost the sound quality of these files and they will be sent to him shortly.

There are five separate audio sequences. They are:

1. Dr James Harder hypnotic regression on 10-14-73 (October 14th, 1973) of Calvin Parker re Pascagoula MS UFO incident on 10-11-73.

2. Dr James Harder interviewed in wake of Pascagoula MS incident on10-11-73.

3. Pascagoula MS 10-11-73 incident interview with Hickson and Parker by Sheriff Fred Diamond.

4. Sheriff Fred Diamond Interviewed by Dr. J Allen Hynek re the Pascagoula Incident on 10-11-73.

5. Sheriff Fred Diamond plays secret recording of Calvin and Parker to Hynek re the Pascagoula Incident on 10-11-73.

At my request David Marler took a couple of photos of the original tapes including one of himself holding them. These photos and all of these audio files remain copyright David Marler/NUFOHRC.

It goes without saying that they are a huge find and are a significant part of the history of the 1973 Pascagoula alien abduction account and to the wider study of such experiences.  I cannot thank David Marler enough for his cooperation with this and for proving up with copies of this truly fascinating material.  David is still going through the APRO files and who knows what else might turn up. As yet we have not decided how to make this new information available in public. We will take it one step at a time with the first step being the enhancement of the sound quality of these audio files.


Dr Scott and I know that there are others out there that have more information on this case. With the greatest of respect all we ask is that whatever you might have, no matter how insignificant you might think it is, to please share it with us. We are looking for anything: newspaper cuttings, photos, correspondence, ephemera and so on.


Over the last five years we have literally interviewed dozens of eyewitnesses to the UFO events back in 1973. Most of these witnesses were perfectly willing to allow us to use their real names. There were a few that were not happy with this so we simply used a false name instead. No problem. We are confident that there are still other witnesses out there that have yet to go on the record. What we would like to ask is for you to contact us and allow Dr Scott and I to document your sighting. We can do this in complete confidence if so required.


If you would like to contact us regarding any of the above I can be contacted on face via private message or directly on email: