Thursday, May 16, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Jerry Clark

This week I discussed the UFO Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition, with the author, Jerome (Jerry) Clark. Before we began our discussion, I mentioned that it was the 50th anniversary of my destroying a UH-1H helicopter by triggering a land mine in South Vietnam. Knowing full well that there are many people who claim Vietnam service who were never there, and knowing some might be not believe the story, you can read it in the unit history of the 187th Assault Helicopter Company here:

Just scroll down to May 16, and you’ll find it… and yes, this has nothing to do with UFOs and I mentioned it only because it was fifty years ago today that it happened.

But on to the UFO stuff and Jerry Clark.

Naturally, given the timing of the show, we had to mention the passing of Stan Friedman a few days earlier. I thought it important to acknowledge his passing and
Jerry Clark
we devoted the first segment of the show to that.

We did get around to talking about his UFO Encyclopedia, which is a massive resource, that is a must for anyone who is serious about UFO research. To me, one of the most important aspects of the Encyclopedia, is the list of sources at the end of each of the articles. That allows the reader to find additional information, some of it providing an opposing view or giving an alternative solution. You can listen to the show here:

Although I wanted to cover the questions that readers had sent, we did run out of time. I tried to ask at least one question from each of those who supplied them. One of them concerned the airship wave of 1897. I had thought that Jerry believed there was a core of good reports that began in late 1896, but that many of the sightings in 1897 were, shall we say, imaginative. Jerry quickly corrected me.

I did go back and look at the entry from the 2nd Edition of his Encyclopedia so that I could compare it with the latest version. The entry had evolved, and covered sightings that began in other parts of the world some fifty years earlier. It seems that the sightings involve some sort real experiences but when we reach April, 1897, it is clear that the majority of those reports are faked. I asked specifically about the Aurora, Texas, crash, which, given what we know today, is laughable, when you read the original report. I am astonished that there are those who still believe this was a real event. You can find more information about it, and the Alexander Hamilton calf-napping here:

Jerry tells me, "The point I was trying to make about airship reports was that they were real experiences, not "real events" as you have it.  I try to make clear that radars/visuals and CE2s exemplify event anomaliess, i.e., strange things that occur within the boundaries of consensus reality, and high-strange phenomena exemplify experience anomalies, which take place in liminal space between the real and the imagined, with characteristics of each mixed together."

We also talked, briefly about contactees and abductions. Time prevented us from going into depth about these topics. I think you get a feel for where Jerry is on the topics and I do mention that George Adamski’s tales of Venus failed to account for the surface temperature that is hot enough to melt lead… not the tropic environment that so many envisioned in the 1950s.

Next up is Dr. Dan Farcas and his theory about Hyper-civilization. It is an interesting take on a number of questions about UFOs and other topics. For those who have questions, as always, append them here in the comments section and I’ll try to get them asked.

Tuesday, May 14, 2019

Stan Friedman has Died

Noted UFO researcher Stan Friedman died last night, May 13, 2019.

Stan will be remembered for this advocacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, believing that some of the alien visitors were from the Zeta I, Zeta II Reticuli star system some 37 lights years from Earth. He had met with Betty Hill, and had partnered with Hill’s niece, Kathleen Marden in recent years. Together they wrote Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience which was an inside look at
Stan Friedman and Kathleen Marden at the MUFON
Conference in Denver. Photo copyright by
Kevin Randle.
the Hill abduction.

Stan started his adult life as a nuclear physicist working in the industry on various projects, including some that were classified. In 1970, he quit industry to devote full time to his UFO research. He had lectured at hundreds of colleges and universities and wrote several books about science and UFOs. He appeared on thousands of radio shows, on television and in documentaries.

While in Louisiana in 1978, a television station manager suggested that Stan might want to talk to a fellow named Jesse Marcel, a ham radio operator. Marcel was, of course, the air intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group, the military unit said to have recovered the remains of an alien spacecraft and the bodies of the occupants. That began a decades long search for documents, witnesses, and insight into what became know as the Roswell Incident.

Stan Friedman with the speakers at the Denver MUFON Conference.
Photo copyright by Kevin Randle.
It was during my research into the Roswell crash that I first met Stan more than 30 years ago. We did share information and resources, though we sometimes clashed over details. Stan believed that a few of the early MJ-12 documents were authentic while I believed them all to be created by UFO enthusiasts to provide documents proving that a spacecraft had been recovered. Stan was instrumental, however, in proving that dozens of the documents were faked, showing that he simply didn’t accept everything handed to him as authentic.

Stan had met Vern Maltais who claimed that his friend, Barney Barnett, had seen a crashed saucer on the Plains of San Agustin. Barnett had a niece, Alice Knight, and though both Stan and I had asked her about anything to document this, Knight said that she had nothing. She called me one night and said that she had found a diary that Ruth Barnett had kept for the year 1947. I was scheduled to meet Stan, along with Don Schmitt, in Albuquerque a few weeks later. I said I would swing by Knight’s house, which was more or less on the way. I smile every time I think about the first words Stan said to me when we met in Albuquerque. He asked, “Did you get it?”

I certainly had, but there was nothing in it to corroborate the Barnett tale. That was a great disappointment for all of us.

Stan was tenacious in his research, traveling around the country, visiting presidential libraries, meeting with families of witnesses, gathering important information, and providing encouragement to many interested in UFOs. He
Stan in full speaker mode. Photo copyright
by Kevin Randle
debated those in the scientific community and those he thought of as debunkers. He was proud of taking a thousand dollars from Philip Klass, when Klass suggested that none of the typewriters in the White House used pica type. Klass said he would pay one hundred dollars for each example, up to ten. Stan happily complied earning him the grand.

Although we had been at odds, in later years, we both seemed to mellow out. In Roswell in 2012, he mentioned that he thought I was right about Robert Willingham, a man who had claimed to have seen a crashed saucer just south of the Mexico. The evidence stacked against Willingham was overwhelming, but that didn’t dissuade Stan from his belief that the Eisenhower Briefing Document was authentic. It was just one of those things with which we had to agree to disagree.

The last time I saw Stan, I believe, was at the Citizen Hearing in Washington, D.C. in May 2013. We sat together, listening to a couple of the sessions of the hearing, and were both part of the hearing that dealt with Roswell. At one point, as we sat together, a question was directed as us, which we both answered at the same time, the same way. It dealt with a minor point about Roswell.

That was the thing. Stan said, more than once, that he and I agreed on more than we disagreed. We had one of those adversarial relations that was more cordial than many thought. In Roswell, at a big dinner in 2012, I had taken a seat at one end of the long table and Stan was about to sit at the far end. Someone mentioned that, believing, I guess, that we were mortal enemies. Before Stan sat down, I moved and took the chair opposite of him. Those around us waited for fireworks, but there were none. We had a nice chat during that dinner.

Stan could be headstrong but he was also interested in the evidence. He could defend those he thought had solid information, rarely abandoning them when the evidence went against them. He was positive that we have been visited, and debated those who thought otherwise. He was a strong advocate for his position, often complained about the entrenched attitudes of the academic world, and arguing passionately for his beliefs.

He leaves behind a wife, and three children. Stan was 84.

Friday, May 10, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Mark O'Connell

Mark O’Connell, author of The Close Encounters Man, a biography of J. Allen Hynek, was this week’s guest. Although we were going to talk about J. Allen Hynek and his investigations during the years of Project Blue Book, we started with my predictions about who would end up on the Iron Throne. Yes, we took a dive into
Mark O'Connell
the pool of Game of Thrones, and since I thought I had figured out the ending, I wanted a record of that. You can listen to the show (which was about much more than GoT here:

We did talk about the way Hynek had ended up as the Air Force consultant on UFOs, and how that compared to the way it had been presented in the History series. (And I didn’t even mention that the lead actor, Aidan Gillen, had played Littlefinger in GoT.) Mark provided some interesting insight into how and why Hynek ended up doing what he did.

One of the cases that we discussed was the Chiles-Whitted sighting. I was surprised that Mark thought of as a good case. I believe that it is explained by a bolide, given what we have learned in the last fifty years. You can read my analysis here:

We did go off line later to talk about it some more. Mark had done additional research and still believes it to be a good case. In this, he agrees with Jerry Clark, who will be on next week’s show. Mark thought that the ground sighting, if linked to Chiles-Whitted argued against a bolide. I’m just not convinced that the sightings should be linked, but my arguments are laid out in the above links.

We also talked about some of Hynek’s favorite cases which included the Lonnie Zamora landing in 1964 and the Coyne helicopter case in 1973 (which was not part of the Blue Book investigation). I have covered both of these on the blog and in books I have written. We both agreed that these were good cases. For those who want more on Coyne, you can find it here:

We closed the show talking about who makes the best witnesses. That evolved into a discussion Michigan swamp gas fiasco and who was the blame for it. The problem was the Air Force need to bury the incident quickly and Hynek caught the flak for the lousy answers. The Air Force officers were afraid that the national attention would create more problems for their investigation in Michigan in particular and UFOs in general. Turned out that the sightings resulted in Congressional interest and eventually lead to the demise of Blue Book.

Next up is Jerome (Jerry) Clark, who had just published the third edition of his massive UFO Encyclopedia. For the serious researcher, this is a must have addition to any library. The Encyclopedia is a comprehensive analysis of all aspects of the UFO phenomena. As always, if anyone had questions for Jerry, send them to the comments section here and I’ll try to get them asked during the show.

Tuesday, May 07, 2019

Curse of Oak Island - Season 6 Finale

Well, the finale was a big “nothing burger.” You could have watched last season’s finale and gotten the same results. In fact, you could have watched the first season finale and seen nothing different. Oh, they’ve dug up great portions of the island, they’ve found evidence that someone was there prior to 1795 when the boys found the “Money Pit,” but they’ve really done nothing to solve the mystery.

One of those mysteries had been the coconut fiber found on the beach in Smith’s Cove. It was dated to a hundred years or more prior to the beginning of the great
search for treasure. However, it seems that carbon dating something less than several centuries old is notoriously unreliable. All we can say is that the coconut fiber was brought to the island in the dim past for reasons that we can only guess at.

This year, they built that coffer dam and dug up the beach, finding evidence of some sort of port facility or emergency repair station. None of that leads us to a buried treasure but does provide an excuse for what has been found. If, as Joy Steele suggested, this was a place to repair the wooden ships, or a safe harbor for ships that needed it, then the treasure myth is gone and the mystery is solved. It wasn’t the Lagina boys who solved it.

If this was such a port facility, then there should be some record of it in the admiralty records hidden (and by hidden, I merely mean filed away) in Great Britain. As far as I know, no one has attempted to learn if some sort of naval facility had been established on Oak Island around 1700. It seems to me that someone with access to these now nearly ancient records, could find a map, a note, something to tell us about it. And that would solve the mystery once and for all.

The point here, however, is that nothing new was produced during last summer’s assault on Oak Island. Holes were drilled, geographic surveying was done, ground penetrating radar was used and metal detectors were deployed. In the end, we learned nothing and found nothing to suggest a treasure. Everything pulled up can be explained by more than two centuries of searching for a treasure that was never there.

If the ratings hold, if there is enough continued interest, I suppose we’ll be treated with another season of them digging up the island. The only treasure to be found is in the continued ratings… and I suspect many people are becoming bored with the ongoing failure to find treasure. They gave it a shot but there was no treasure for them to find. They should work at repairing the island now.

Thursday, May 02, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Larry Holcombe

This week I talked with Larry Holcombe about his book, The Presidents and UFOs: A Secret History from FDR to Obama. It was a wide-ranging interview that took in a lot of territory. You can list to it here:

There are a couple of points that we need to clarify. We talked about Doug Locke, who had said that as a judo instructor at Biggs Air Force Base in El Paso, he had
Front gate at Biggs Air Force Base, El Paso, TX.
learned about the Roswell crash from several pilots sent there for training. I knew it as Biggs Army Air Field, which is not a big difference but a difference none-the-less. Checking the history of the base, I learned that in the 1950s it had been Biggs AFB, and that the name later had been changed back to Biggs AAF. So, both Larry and I had been right about it. That it had been an Air Force base in the early 1950s added a note of credibility to Locke’s tale.

I probably should note here that I did press Larry on the vetting of Locke’s military experience. The problem was when he mentioned that Locke’s military records had been lost in the fire at the St. Louis Records Center in the big 1973 fire. Oh, there is no doubt there had been a fire and that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of records had been lost. Claiming that “my records were burned in the fire,” is the standard dodge of those making up their tales of military service. In this case, I think the problem was more that Larry didn’t understand my question. Some of Locke’s records had apparently survived or had been reconstructed, so
Larry Holcombe
that his military service was confirmed by an independent, disinterested source. I think that became clear in the show.

The other point was Jimmy Carter’s UFO sighting. I said that he had made it while governor of Georgia and Larry said it was before he was governor. Turns out that the sighting was made in 1969 but wasn’t reported until 1973 after Carter became governor.

Either way, the sighting is not a very good one. According to the latest data it seems that on an evening in 1969, the exact date of which has not been confirmed, Carter, with a group of others saw an object about 30 degrees above the horizon. Carter said it was bright white and about as bright as the moon, rather than the size of the moon. The object seemed to approach and then recede.

Although Carter said about twenty people saw the object at the same time he did, none of those people have been found. Given that, and the controversy (yeah, controversy is a bit harsh) over the date, it is difficult to put a conclusion on the sighting. Originally, it was suggested that Venus was the culprit, but later, Air Force tests conducted around Eglin Air Force Base, seem to have provided a better solution, especially if the date of January 6, 1969, is accurate. Anyway, you can read more about that here:

and here:

and here:

Larry and I did discuss MJ-12, who might have had a hand in creating the documents and if there were elements of authenticity in them. I suggested a fatal flaw in what is known as the Eisenhower Briefing Document and you can read about it here:

and the tale of Robert Willingham here:

And, if you wish to read the whole story of MJ-12 as it stands today, look for Case MJ-12, but be sure it is the 2018 updated version. There is new information added to the 2000 edition.

Next week, I’ll be talking with Mark O’Connell, who wrote the biography of J. Allen Hynek. The conversation will be framed with the treatment of Hynek in History’s Project Blue Book but we’ll also look at some of the controversy Hynek created with his swamp gas explanation for the Michigan UFO sightings in 1966 and his adventures working for the Air Force.

If you have any questions for Mark, add a comment here and I’ll try to get them answered for you during the program.

Thursday, April 25, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - John Greenewald

I had the chance to talk with my friend, John Greenewald, about his book, Inside the Black Vault: The Government’s UFO Secrets Revealed. We did discuss more than just that and you can listen to the program here:

John suggested that there is a cover up of UFO information and offered the evidence of it as it appears in many government documents. I had outlined a
John Greenewald. Photo
copyright by Kevin Randle
similar attitude based on a review of the administrative files that had been released as part of Project Blue Book. John suggested, as I have, that those who were creating the files, writing the reports, and doing the research believed that none of this would see the light of day. They had not anticipated the Freedom of Information Act which allows us all to see much of what was going on behind the curtains. The true attitudes and the real methodology used by those involved in UFO research can be seen. John pointed to a document from a Florida case from July 1969 where the Air Force officer in charge of the investigation had little respect for the witnesses, calling them names, and overlooking the fact that the witnesses were on active duty with the Air Force. It suggests an attitude of disbelief and outright hostility by the officer would was supposed to be gathering information. He wasn’t supposed to inject his own bias into that investigation.

We also talked about MJ-12, and I mentioned a document with a known provenance from 1952 that was code named “Majestic.” The problem is that it had nothing to do with UFOs. You can read about that here:

At that time, I was unable to update documents and illustrations to my blog. I don’t know what the problem was, but it was eventually resolved. Following are the four pages from that document.

Next time on A Different Perspective, I will be interviewing Larry Holcombe about his book, The Presidents and UFOs" A Secret History from FDR to Obama. If you have questions for Larry, post it as a comment. These are moderated so the questions won’t appear in the comment section. I’ll get to them during the interview.

Thursday, April 18, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Terry Lovelace

I spoke with Terry Lovelace about his abduction experiences. As many of you know, I’m not a fan of the tales of abduction, but Lovelace is a man with impressive credentials. He is a retired attorney who practiced civil litigation and criminal defense. More impressive is that he retired as an Assistant Attorney General for Vermont. Here is a guy who doesn’t need to create a tale of abduction to gain any sort of recognition. There is simply no motivation to come forward with something like this. You can listen to the interview here:

He talked about his first UFO sighting when he was only eight. He then had a series of encounters with what he called monkeys that were not real monkeys.
Terry Lovelace
These might have been some sort of a result of the UFO sighting, or they might be unrelated. These might have been nightmares or might have been real. The point is that I asked if he was familiar with Hypnagogic and Hypnopompic hallucination. These hallucinations are associated with sleep paralysis, and there is usually a manifestation of some sort of entity during these brief periods of paralysis. Lovelace said he was familiar with the terms, and that the monkeys disappeared when the hall light came on, breaking the spell. I thought this was interesting and suggestive of sleep paralysis.

We then talked about his abduction experience when he had been in the Air Force. I had wanted to get a little deeper into that, but the time ran out on us. He also mentioned that he had been chemically interrogated by members of the Air Force OSI. We touched on that, but again, time interfered with the discussion.

There were a number of aspects that I hope to follow up on in the future. For those who wish to learn more about Lovelace’s experiences, you can read his book, Incident at Devil’s Den or check out his website at:

Next week, I’ll be talking with John Greenewald of The Black Vault fame. He has just published a book about his experiences with FOIA and what he has learned from the thousands of government documents that he has reviewed. His book is Inside the Black Vault.

If you have a question that you would like that I ask Greenewald, put it into the comment section… These are moderated so that the question will not appear. I’ll make a note of it and try to fit it into the discussion. Thought I would try something new.

Sunday, April 14, 2019

Betty Hill and Alien Books

I am in something of a quandary. For those who had read Reflections of a UFO investigator, you know that I interviewed Carroll Wayne Watts about his encounters with, shall I say it? Men from Mars. It was clear that Watts had a limited imagination. He suggested that the space traveling aliens used paper maps, when an electronic survey would have been much better… Just look at what we can do with our satellites, spy planes and aerial photography. His descriptions seemed to be drawn from 1950s science fiction movies rather than a tour of an advanced, alien spacecraft.

Where am I going with this?

For an upcoming interview, I have been reviewing the Hill abduction. As those of you who follow this blog, you know I’m more than a little skeptical of the Star Map that Betty Hill drew. There are four different interpretations of it, with the Fish model suggesting the Zeta Reticuli double star system as the leading contender. You can read about that elsewhere on this blog.

Alien from "Hocus Pocus and
You might also remember that I have suggested that the illustration of the aliens that Barney provided is reminiscent of the aliens shown on the Twilight Zone episode, “Hocus Pocus and Frisby.” Betty had asked Barney at one point if he had been watching the Twilight Zone, though she said that she had never seen the program herself.

And, let’s not forget that in The Interrupted Journey, she described the aliens, saying, “Their chests are larger than ours; their noses were larger (longer) than average size although I have seen people with noses like theirs – like Jimmy Durante’s. (page 298 in the hardback edition).” Her later descriptions are somewhat different.  

Just so that I can again be accused of being an “abduction propagandist,” I noticed something else in one of the sessions that Betty had with Dr. Benjamin Simon. She was describing her talk (telepathic communication?) with one of the aliens. She wanted something for a souvenir, to help validate her
Jimmy Durante
story. He seemed agreeable and she looked around for something. She said, “…there wasn’t much around – but on a cabinet there was a book, a fairly big book. So I put my hand on the book and I said, ‘Could I have this?’ And he told me to look in the book and I did. It had pages, it had writing, but nothing like I had ever seen before. It looked almost like a – I don’t know – it wasn’t a dictionary – maybe a – it had the – the writing didn’t go across, it went up and down (page 172).”

I’m thinking now, “A book? With pages? A book made of paper and writing that she would later suggest looked like Japanese.” And while I understand that it looked Japanese but certainly wasn’t, I’m wondering now why they would have a book at all. I can’t tell you the last time I actually bought a book that was printed on paper. I now get them digitally, on my iPad. I have dozens of them that I can haul around easily and they take up no real space… and that would be something important on a spacecraft. Saving space and weight. A data retrieval system that is virtually weightless and doesn’t take up space would be ideal. I certainly wouldn’t want to carry around any books.

I have a one terabyte external hard drive. I mention this because, on it, I have the Project Blue Book files. I have the vast majority of the more than 12,000 cases (though I have found a few minor gaps) and thousands of pages of administrative files. On that same hard drive, I have most of The A.P.R.O Bulletins, CUFOS IUR, NICAP’s UFO Investigator and the MUFON Journal beginning with the issues known as SKYLOOK. It also holds several dozen UFO books, including the manuscript versions of many of my own.

The point is that the hard drive is only slightly larger than a pack of cigarettes but not as thick. I can slip it into my pocket and carry to conferences, if the mood moves me. No matter where I am, I have access to a huge amount of data that not so long ago, would have been difficult to review.

To make this worse, and as I have said many times, my cell phone is more powerful than Star Trek’s communicator. I have access to all of human knowledge through the Internet. True, I have to ask for the right information, and sometimes there is a fee to access it, but it’s all there, in my cell phone which is even smaller than that external hard drive that I just mentioned.

Back in the 1960s, when Dr. Simon was treating the Hills and John Fuller was writing his book, no one thought in terms of digitally stored data. Having a book, and something that might have been a paper star chart (or some other flexible material that was rolled up) didn’t seem out of the ordinary. Astronauts, pilots and nearly everyone else thought of data retrieval in terms of something printed. But today, with my desk covered with electronic devices that give me access to so much information, I have to wonder why a spacefaring race would deal with books and paper. When Betty talked about a book in the 1960s, no one thought about that being unusual. Today, well, you have to wonder.

Is this a major problem with the Hill abduction? Nah. It’s just something that struck me as I was reading parts of Fuller’s book. Everything we need is available digitally with no need for ink and paper. There are schools that no longer teach cursive because that is now an obsolete form of communication.

And all that just makes me wonder about that book just laying around on that cabinet in an alien ship. Wouldn’t everything be available digitally? Wouldn’t they have advanced beyond pen and paper? Would they be carrying books? Did they even use it if they are telepathic… but that’s a question for another time.

Thursday, April 11, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Dr. Michael Masters and Time Traveling UFOs

This week I interviewed Dr. Michael Masters, who has published a book suggesting that UFOs are the result of time traveling humans, at least in part. He has
Dr. Michael Masters
purposed, based on the evidence gathered by UFO researchers and the US military, that the descriptions of the “aliens” is more in line with human evolution than with alien creatures. While he does concede that evolution on another world, in environments similar to Earth, might generate similar forms, the more likely explanation is that the beings that have been reported are evolved humans. That leads us to time travel. You can listen to the discussion here:

We do explore some of the anthropological evidence of earlier visitation and do examine the “Butterfly Effect.” This is, of course, the theory that Ray Bradbury purposed in a short story. Even the slightest change in the past could radically alter the future as the effects spread out like the waves formed when a rock is tossed into a pond. Time travel is a topic that presents all sorts of opportunity for wild thought. With Robert Charles Cornett, I wrote three science fiction novels that dealt with time travel beginning with Remember the Alamo!.

We also talked about his introduction into the world of UFOs, and how he began to develop his theory. Naturally, an hour seemed to be too short for us to get into the depth of his research and his theory. His book is Identified Flying Objects and can be found on all the normal platforms.

Next week, I’ll talk with Terry Lovelace, a retired attorney who will tell us about his lifetime of UFO experiences and abduction. In an interesting contrast, Lovelace will talk about the stigma he and his family faced because of his claims while Masters and his family weren’t ridiculed for their (his father’s actually) sighting. Two different experiences that tell us something about the history of UFOs.

Friday, April 05, 2019

Curse of Oak Island Flames Out Or I Just Don't Care Anymore

Okay, I give up. I just don’t care if there is a treasure on Oak Island or not, but I suspect there is not. I have been watching this show since it began but my interest in the subject started much earlier, as I have said before. I learned about Oak Island in a book, This Baffling World, that I bought in the early 1970s. It told of many strange things such as UFOs, which is why I bought it in the first place, but it also contained some of the more terrestrial mysteries such as Oak Island.

It told the traditional story, but it was interesting enough that I looked for other
One of the many attempts to get at the Money
Pit treasure.
information about that buried treasure. I found some magazine articles and when I found D’Arcy O’Connor’s The Big Dig: The $10 Million Search for Oak Island’s Legendary Treasure, I had to buy it. Of course, the book ended with the failure to find the treasure for a variety of reasons. Just the hints that something was there, but no real evidence of anything like millions of dollars in treasure.

In 1968, Dan Blankenship and David Tobias formed the Triton Alliance Ltd. with the purpose of recovering the alleged treasure. In 1971, Borehole 10X was enlarged and lined with steel. They wanted to put a video camera down, into a void they had discovered. According to the story, they saw a floating hand suspended in the dirty water. Another such probe picked up what looked like three chests, various tools, spikes and logs and finally what looked to be a human body. On The Curse of Oak Island, in the first seasons, they repeatedly showed this poor-quality video.

They enlarged the borehole to the point that someone could get down it and look around. Blankenship showing great courage, made a number of dives in his attempt to locate and recover the treasure. During a dive in November 1976, Blankenship heard a rumbling and demanded to be pulled up immediately. As he looked back down, he saw that some of the casing had collapsed. Access to the bottom was now blocked. They tried to reopen the borehole, but mechanical issues and other troubles finally forced them to abandon the attempt. Much later those problems would be resolved.

After this, they planned a “Big Dig” with a new shaft large enough to encompass the earlier attempts, to be lined with steel to defeat the alleged boobytraps and to protect any divers brave enough to go down there. The stock market crash in 1987 ended those plans as investors pulled out and other sources of capital dried up. You might say the money dried up with the stock market.

There is another major problem with all this. There is no real evidence that any treasure is buried on the island. There might have been, but it might have been removed by those who buried it or, more likely, there might never have been any treasure buried there at all. Interestingly, now that we have the Laginas trying to get to the treasure we learn that the things they are finding today are the same sorts of things found during all those earlier attempts. These include wood and coconut husks and iron spikes. Those spikes, according to the analysis, had been forged prior to 1790 and the wood was carbon dated to 1575 plus or minus 85 years. All that suggested someone on the island long before the boys found the Money Pit in 1795, but again, that doesn’t prove there was ever a treasure hidden there.

I’m not going to go into all the items found in those earlier years and what was extrapolated from them. I wrote about it in a book, Lost Gold and Buried Treasure that was published in 1995, which, of course demonstrates my interest going back a couple of decades, if that is necessary. Back then I wrote, “Oak Island is unique in the field of treasure hunting. Everyone knows where the treasure is. At the bottom of the pit. Modern technology should be able to defeat the booby traps…”

This was before the Laginas showed up and used that modern technology to defeat the booby traps, if there were, in fact, any booby traps to defeat. Instead it seems that the high-water table of the island, and a series of natural underground chambers and caves might have given the impression of an elaborate maze of pits and booby traps. The question that no one seemed to ask, but I will now, “Who had the technology prior to 1795 to create the Money Pit as it is described today… and even if they did, would they have been able to recover the treasure?”

The real point is that I don’t believe there is a treasure there and I don’t think there ever was. We have been treated to breathless finds that turn out to be nothing extraordinary. A coin dated 1695 that proves nothing other than someone with a coin with that date on it had been on the island… not that it was dropped in 1695 or 1795 or even 1985… it could have been dropped two days before it was found.

We have iron artifacts, which are not gold, but iron, and these sorts of things have also been found on the island a half century ago. They prove nothing and worse yet, they were found close to the surface. Little has been pulled up to suggest any
Marty Lagina
hidden treasure. You might say that it just the trash left by human occupation.

I could go on, but I’ve written about this in the past on this blog. They have nothing to prove a treasure is there. But the real clue might have been in the last episode on April 2. Marty Lagina, in talking about the treasure and the history, seemed to be less than candid. His body language suggested, at least to me, that he was discouraged and might not even believe there is a treasure here anymore. Oh, I’m sure he did at one point, but he seems to have lost his enthusiasm for the search.

After six seasons of this, I’m tired. I can’t take more excitement over wood structures that were built by those looking for the treasure over the last two centuries. I’m tired of things found on the surface that prove human occupation but do not prove a treasure is buried there. I’m tired of guesses that have no real basis in fact and leaps of logic that tell us nothing but lead off on tangents. If the ratings remain high, I’m sure we’ll be treated to a seventh season, but those of us who pay attention know that the answer has already been found. If there ever was any treasure on Oak Island, it is long gone… and the more likely answer is that there never was any treasure to begin with.

Wednesday, April 03, 2019

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Bryan Sentes

In this Special Edition of A Different Perspective, I spoke with Bryan Sentes, who is known for his poetry, but who has a great grasp of the world of the UFO. It was a free-wheeling discussion that began with us talking about Project Blue Book on History and moving on to the Great Airship of 1897, to some of the modern topics. You can listen to it here:

Bryan Sentes
We did touch on one problem that has worried me for years and which Bryan had also thought about, which is that Airship stories mirror the modern ear of UFO sightings. All aspect of the various facets of Ufology show up in the Airship tales of 1897. These include cattle mutilations, crash retrievals, alien abduction and generic sightings of craft flying overhead, seen by dozens.
You can find his website here:

One sad thing, however. The by-play between us between segments was lost. We delved into some other topics including the best of Game of Thrones. He thought that early episodes, that were based on George R.R. Martin’s books were better than later episodes in which the show runners had to base the story on, well, what Martin had told them would happen… but, as they say, “I digress…”

This show was fun from the very beginning, and I plan to bring him back in the future.

Contrary to what I said early in the last segment, next week (April 10) I will be talking with Dr. Michael Masters, who, if the emails are any indication, should be as much fun. We’ll talk about his book, Identified Flying Objects and his time travel theory.

Tuesday, April 02, 2019

Time Traveling Aliens and Dr. Michael Masters

Dr. Michael Masters*, author of Identified Flying Objects, has proposed that the occupants of those UFOs are time travelers. I mention this for a couple of reasons. First, it is my favorite theory which is not to say that it is the most likely explanation. Time travel is a fun subject, with all the contradictions in it. Robert Charles Cornett and I wrote three science fiction books using time travel as a basis, beginning with Remember the Alamo in which a group of modern soldiers, using modern weapons, are transported back in time to the Battle of the Alamo. Think Force Multiplier here. Machine guns against muskets.

Masters suggests in his book that given the majority of the descriptions of the alien creatures are humanoid, meaning two arms, two legs, two eyes and one head,
Dr. Michael Masters and a few of his ancient pals.
there must be a connection to Earth. I extrapolate from here that he is looking at the next evolutionary stage of the human and therefore the beings are from Earth. They are from our far future, using time travel so that they can study us as we have been studying the ancient people. They just have a better tool than we do because they can see us in action rather than guessing how we lived based on the material left behind
The second point is to announce that Dr. Masters will be appearing on my radio show A Different Perspective on the X-Zone Broadcast Network on April 10. For those who are unable to catch the program at that time, it will be available on line later in the day. As soon as the link is available, I’ll get it posted.

Although we’ve touched on the time travel aspect of the UFO phenomenon in the past, this will be the first time that it will be the focus of the discussion. Should be a lot of fun for everyone.

*For the record here and so that I don’t surprise anyone, I keep wanting to call him Tom McMasters. I don’t know why**, but I do know he is Dr. Michael Masters. Just thought I would mention it.

Though looking at his email address which is MMaster…, that might be the reason for the McMasters, but no reason for the Tom.

Friday, March 29, 2019

Treasure Quest - Reality Show?

It is difficult to believe that more people haven’t commented on the interview I conducted with Captain Keith Plaskett about the reality of Treasure Quest. He made some very interesting comments about the way the show was cast, which is his word. It was cast. They had a “screen test” with the members of the cast to ensure that they could work well together on the screen.

Keith Plaskett
We talked about the attempt to buy a ten-thousand-dollar silver bar that was allegedly from the Treasure of the Trinity, but instead paid a thousand just to learn where it had been found. We are told that this was the storyline, that no one actually knew where that bar had come from but it led them to a deserted mission.

We were told that we had to understand that they, the producers, put together a storyline and that they would stick to that storyline. That they would make the story do this or do that or whatever it had to do. In other words, the producers weren’t following a trek into the jungle to find a treasure wherever it might lead, but they had a storyline prepared that they wanted to follow that had no real treasure at the end. A story. A tale. Not an adventure.

I mentioned the trek through the jungle to get to the mission where that silver bar had apparently been found. I noted, given the location of the mission, the paved highway that ran passed it, that all of that jungle trek had been unnecessary. They could have driven there in a bus.

We hear that at that point the cast didn’t really know what was going to happen from day to day. They were just following directions provided by the producers who apparently did know what was going to happen next.

I pointed out that Google Earth gave us a picture of that mission, of the town nearby, and that I had learned that there was a Sheridan Resort Inn maybe ten miles from the mission. I’m told that all that jungle trek and the searching around the mission had something to do with the producers and the storyboard and did not develop naturally from the clues. Rather than call it reality TV it should be renamed as entertainment TV.

At 31:00 minutes in the interview, we are told, “We didn’t get our scripts or storyline or whatever until the next day or the day before. Late at night they would give us a what’s going to happen tomorrow type of thing. We just followed the story sheets.”

Given that the Sheridan Resort Hotel had been so close to the mission, I wondered if they actually stayed in tents. We learn that sometimes they did. He said they didn’t stay at the Sheridan but in some kind of hostel. He also said that they were bussed in.

These are just some of the highlights of that interview. I am not aware of anyone learning these sorts of things from one of the primary members of the team in other interviews.

He also provided some insight into the treasure found at the end of the season two. It doesn’t seem that it had been in the water all that long, for whatever that is worth.

The clues about the reality of the show are all there for us to see, from the isolated tribe that had once guarded the treasure, some dressed in Old Navy T-shirts, to the highway that ran by the mission that was a tourist destination. It should be clear to anyone paying attention that the reality had been left out of this reality show. This was no more real than the 1960’s movie McKenna’s Gold, in which Gregory Peck chased the Lost Adams gold mine.

I mention all this simply because I was astonished that more people didn’t react to the interview. The interest is high in these shows. I know because I see more and more of them on the cable. Now we have a search for a treasure that a Japanese general allegedly hid in the Philippines. But the truth is that many of these treasures are just stories that have no basis in reality. They are based on guesses, rumors, legends, and more than a couple of charlatans attempting to extract the real treasure out of the investors dumb enough to support them… Here, the treasure is in the ratings and the advertiser dollars. I predict that in the end, the new iteration of Treasure Quest will end with no treasure being found because, once again, there really is no treasure.
Well, that’s my opinion anyway.