A couple of weeks ago we were all told, alerted to the fact really, that the Del Rio UFO crash of the mid-1950s had been validated. New information had been mentioned to George Knapp during his hosting duties on Coast-to-Coast. Dr. Eric Davis had made the comment.
But what did he actually say?
Knapp, during their discussion, said, “That makes it sound like there is something to analyze or reverse engineer.”
Then, according to the radio program, and a brief transcript offered at a number of UFO related websites, Davis said, “Yeah, they’ve got…I would say…you know…If you’re going to throw your bets on Roswell, your bet’s really good. Del Rio, Texas, that was a 1950s case, that was another one, and the other ones I won’t bring up because those are still classified.”
That was the extent of what he said about the Del Rio crash. He added, “But um… and they have not been investigated to my knowledge, I’m sorry, they have not been REVEALED or PUBLISHED to my knowledge. So without knowing that that’s the case I won’t talk about it any further, but we have crash retrievals and they’ve been analyzed and
unfortunately our laboratory
diagnostic technologies and our materials sciences and the understanding of
physics that we had were not advanced enough to be able to make heads or tails
of what it is, of what they had their hands on.”
|Dr. Eric Davis Photo copyright|
by EarthTech Int'l
And that is it.
If he knew more about the case, or had communicated more about to anyone, I wanted to know because I had come to believe that the Del Rio crash never happened. Too much of the information had radically changed over the years in a way that suggested the tale was untrue. But, in UFO research, you are required to take a look at anything that seems to be new and that provides, well, a different perspective.
The first question is: What do we know about Dr. Davis?
According to his biography published around the Internet, we learn that he has a Ph.D. and “is the Chief Science Officer of EarthTech Int’l, Inc. and the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin. Dr. Davis’ research specializations include breakthrough propulsion physics for interstellar flight, interstellar flight science, beamed energy propulsion, advanced space nuclear power and propulsion, directed energy weapons, future and transformational technology, general relativity theory, quantum field theory, quantum gravity theories, experimental quantum optics, and SETI-xenoarchaeology.”
So, the next step is to take a look at this EarthTech Int’l website. There we learn more about his background. According to the website he is also described as:
Dr. Davis’ research activities include megawatt-class laser propulsion physics, systems design and performance metrics, and mission applications for the U.S. Air Force laser Lightcraft program; quantum optics tomography experiments to measure negative vacuum energy; studies on the multilayered quantum vacuum structure and its applications; general relativistic time machines and causality, superluminal photons in curved spacetime, gravastars and black holes, and quantum entanglement/teleportation and nonlocality; studies on traversable wormhole and warp drive spacetimes for faster-than-light propulsion; and feasibility studies on laser inertial confinement, inertial electrostatic confinement, Z-pinch, and dense plasma focus fusion concepts for space propulsion.
Dr. Davis serves as an Adjunct Professor in the Early Universe, Cosmology and Strings Group at the Center for Astrophysics, Space Physics & Engineering Research at Baylor University in Waco, TX. He earned his Ph.D. in Astrophysics from the University of Arizona in 1991.
Dr. Davis is a Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society, Associate Fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and a member of the New York Academy of Sciences, Directed Energy Professional Society, SPIE, American Astronomical Society, and Association of Former Intelligence Officers.
That sounds pretty impressive. He has also written a number of peer reviewed papers and published a long list of other articles. So, the next thing to do is look at the organization for which he works. There we learn:
The Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin was founded in 1985 by Harold Puthoff, PhD, and later incorporated under EarthTech International, Inc., in 1991 as an innovative research facility with a high‐powered creative staff dedicated to exploring the forefront reaches of science and engineering. Our research interests include theories of spacetime, gravity and cosmology; studies of the quantum vacuum; modifications of standard theories of electrodynamics; interstellar flight science; and the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, specifically as these topics may apply to developing innovative space propulsion and sources of energy. We strive to translate these ideas into laboratory experiments.
I guess the point here is that he doesn’t sound like your typical UFO guy. His credentials seem to be solid and his work seems to be advanced. That just brings us back to his comment about Del Rio. Is there more to that?
Everything that I can find suggests he just made the one comment on Coast-to-Coast. George Knapp couldn’t tell me anything more but did mention that Davis had said he was getting a lot of emails after his appearance on the show. That was not much help.
Ruben Uriarte, who was delighted with the endorsement of the Del Rio crash, didn’t know anything more about it either. He thought it would be great to obtain additional documents from the Mexican government or the US military about the crash. That, of
course, presupposes that there are documents
from either of those sources, which Davis seemed to imply but I have no
information that this is accurate.
|CAP Major Robert|
I did attempt to learn more from Davis, but my emails to him went unanswered. I, as did so many others, wanted to know what additional information he could supply. Without anything, we are left with only the original source of the tale, Robert Willingham, who claimed to have been an Air Force officer, a fighter pilot, and the one who had seen the crashed craft in Del Rio. The problem is, Willingham was none of those things, and rather than repeat all the information here, I’ll just suggest you take a look on what I found several years ago. You can read it here:
Or, if you are interested, I published a list of the various articles about Willingham which also covers some of the other problems with his tales here:
That first article will let you sort through quite a bit of information about the Del Rio crash in all its various incarnations and the ever-shifting date as supplied by Willingham. For those of us who actually served in a combat environment, who were actually military pilots, the whole Willingham tale is an insult.
The problem for me is if Dr. Davis has no additional information and was relying on the statements made by Willingham, then that calls some of his other comments into question. The Del Rio crash can be traced only to Willingham and there is no corroboration for it. That’s why I was surprised that Davis had mentioned it specifically.
I have emailed Davis again, asking for any sort of corroboration of this crash tale. I suspect I won’t learn much more because there isn’t any more to learn. Willingham invented the tale in 1968, claimed it happened in 1948, later claimed it happened in 1950 and finally said it happened in the mid-1950s. He wasn’t a colonel and he wasn’t a fighter pilot. With that, Willingham inadvertently takes some of Davis’s credibility with him.
And that is what so frequently happens in UFO research.
The Del Rio story has reminded me of something a friend told me years ago. He grew up in Laredo , not that far from Del Rio. His father was a police officer, or deputy, I don't recall. One day, he saw his father's photo on the front page of the newspaper, next to a picture/drawing of a "flying saucer". As a boy, he did not read the newspaper and has no idea if both pictures referred to the same story. His father didn't mention anything unusual having happened and he did not think to ask. I want to say this happened in the early fifties, but, it was years ago when he told me.
I doubt this has anything to do with anything, but, thought I would relate the story, just in case.
It is interesting that one member of ETI has a link to To The Stars Academy.
He could simply be repeating something he read in the MJ-12 documents. Believe it or not, there are a number of well-educated scientists and government officials who happen to be (surprise!) UFO enthusiasts, though not all of them are as well-versed in the subject matter as those who've been following the topic most of their lives.
There was no ET crash.
Further, there are no documents on it, either from the United States or Mexico and never have been. The tale is pure fiction. End of story.
Yes there are people about, with or without high credentials, who have nothing better to do than peddle old UFO fairy tales. But that's ufology, isn't it?
I had thought about MJ-12 as well, but in that document, they reference is to a crash in the El Indio - Guerrero area. Later, Willingham said it was closer to Laredo... whatever. The real point is that there was no crash of an alien craft any of those areas. Willingham invented the tale in 1968, and has changed the story radically as new information is learned. That Dr. Davis would suggest that this was a real UFO crash is problematic and you have to wonder about the reliability of his other information.
"“Yeah, they’ve got…I would say…you know…If you’re going to throw your bets on Roswell, your bet’s really good. Del Rio, Texas, that was a 1950s case, that was another one, and the other ones I won’t bring up because those are still classified.” ~OP
Gotta say it: this does sound familiar doesn't it? :)
Dr. Davis was also a part of NIDS and possess close ties to the Bigelow crowd. Look into some of the members' interesting history at Kirkland during the 1980s and judge for yourself. Believer beware.
People will make claims all the time that cannot be substantiated. In the interview he wasn’t pressed hard enough to divulge further details. Without any evidence it sounds more like he is presenting his opinion not necessarily any factual information.
When this NIDS came around and Dr. Davis was associated with them, I did some searching in Google about his background. This was maybe 5 or more months ago. I forget exactly where I read about him, and it might have been a Wiki bio, but I recall that he was a consultant on Star Trek. Considering is technical background, I thought it might be true. However I simply question the whole story about the Stars bunch.
Dr Davis was also the individual who was said to have been “possessed” by the “entity” which is supposed to be living over at Skinwalker Ranch. There are varying accounts of the story but it is told in George Knapp’s book Hunt for the Skinwalker with Colm Kelleher. Although as much as I respect George, there are a truckload of unsubstantiated claims in that book but of course where Skinwalker Ranch is concerned, that is the norm. Unfortunately, Jeremy Cornell’s new documentary does little to substantiate them, even with a vast archive of Knapp’s footage which is previously unseen. Although I will admit there is some very intriguing footage in the documentary in which some perplexing anomalies are shown on surveillance cameras. It’s well worth watching but I would advise everyone that one should not go into that documentary thinking you are going to see video evidence of all the wacky and wild claims regarding the Ranch. If you understand that going in then it is a compelling film.
This is also the same guy that has attacked John Greenwald for simply asking for evidence. Every time this group presents something intriguing they turn around and do something completely stupid. This seems like this guy is just talking out of his rear end and doesn't know squat about anything.
Saw notes from an earlier show...he said, according to another set, that crash/retrieval program ended in 1989 and these notes say both that and also aatip was going to get access to it...??
In earlier c2c show last year he said that the crash retrieval program ended in 89 because no success in understanding or applying anything from recovered objects....YET, he also said that AATIP would have had eventually gotten access to the cr program if AATIP lasted after 2012. ???
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