Here’s
another conspiracy that can be destroyed by a single question. This conspiracy
has been pushed by most in the media, by the military and the skeptics who are
supposed to question everything but only that which suggests alien visitation.
“How
can balloon Flight #4, which was cancelled, leave any sort of debris on the
ranch managed by Mack Brazel?”
As
I wrote that, I thought of another question. “How can a flight that was
cancelled at dawn according to the documentation, actually been launched two or
three hours earlier?”
Dr.
Albert Crary, the man in charge of the New York University balloon project
based in Alamogordo, kept comprehensive notes on the balloon flights. The first
of those flights, which some have labeled as Project Mogul, was supposed to be
Flight #4, but according to Crary’s field notes and diary entries, was
cancelled at dawn because of clouds.
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| Dr. Albert Crary, the man in charge of the balloon flights in New Mexico. |
Yes,
I know that Crary’s notes also mentioned a cluster of balloons that were flown
on June 4 later in the day. But according to the records and reports, this was
nothing like the full array. It was small, was not expected to leave the White
Sands Missile Range and was not a hazard to aerial navigation. The winds aloft
data suggested that it would not have flown anywhere near the ranch Brazel
managed.
How
do I know?
Charles
Moore, an engine with the project in New Mexico and who provided the analysis
of the winds aloft data told us that. Oh, not directly, but in his excuses for
Flight #4.
Moore
told us, and wrote, that his examination of the winds aloft data, including the
records that I gave him, took the balloons in a different direction if they had
been launched at dawn. The winds aloft data I received from the National
Weather Service was good only to 20,000 feet and was sometimes incomplete.
Moore found records from a station in Orogrande, New Mexico (on the highway
between Alamogordo and El Paso), that had records that went up to 50,000 feet.
According to those records and those I supplied, a front went through the area
around Alamogordo about dawn. It changed the atmospheric dynamics which met
that the balloon would not have flown to the northeast to fall on the Brazel
ranch. Well, that’s not quite true. Moore said that his calculations put the
balloon about 17 miles south of the ranch. Still close enough to suggest a
legitimate culprit, if those calculations were accurate.
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| Charles Moore reviewing the winds aloft data that I supplied to him. Photo by Kevin Randle |
There
is nothing in Crary’s documents to suggest that happened and you have to wonder
how a balloon array launched hours earlier could be cancelled at dawn. This
little problem is ignored by those who just can’t wrap their heads around the
fact that Flight #4 never flew. And if it never flew, it left no wreckage on
the ranch.
I
could have mentioned that the pasture where the wreckage was found was one
Brazel was in, if not every day, then every other day. That means he would have
found the debris on June 5 or 6, and since there was quite a bit of it, that
wreckage was a hazard to the operation of the ranch. The sheep refused to cross
it to get at water. Brazel wanted to know who was going to clean up the mess,
which was his motivation for driving into Roswell.
And
here’s another little tidbit. Charles Moore told me that Flight #4 had been
configured just like Flight #5. Since #4 was cancelled, we don’t have any
schematic of it. However, #5, which was described as the first successful
flight in New Mexico, contained no rawin targets. That raises the question of
where did the metallic debris originate? Where did the rawin target displayed
in General Ramey’s office originate? Certainly not with the mythical Flight #4.
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| The schematic for Flight # 5. |
I
could ask additional questions such as if the debris fell on June 4, why did
Brazel wait until July 6 to take samples into Roswell? Why couldn’t the
officers of the 509th Bomb Group recognize the debris taken to the
sheriff? Why did they arrange a special flight to Fort Worth Army Air Field and
then send that material onto Washington, D.C.?
The
point here, is that there is no current terrestrial explanation for what Brazel
found and the soldiers in the 509th recovered in that field. I am
astonished that the news media insists on telling us that a Project Mogul
balloon was responsible for the debris, yet all the documentation tells us
otherwise. We can point to the pictures taken in Fort Worth of a weather balloon
and rawin radar target in General Ramey’s off and ask where that material
originated. Two of the officers in those pictures, Colonel Thomas DuBose, then
the chief of staff at the Eighth Air Force Headquarters and Major Jesse Marcel,
Sr. said that what was photographed was NOT the material recovered in New
Mexico.
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| Jesse Marcel with the fake debris in General Ramey's office. |
I’ll
let this go here. There are several other points that rule out Flight #4 but I
believe the case is made. There was no Flight #4, and without it, the last of
the terrestrial explanations is eliminated. You decide for yourselves what the
answer to that question is.



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8 comments:
Hi Kevin
I know this will annoy you - but if the stuff Marcel is holding in the photos was the stuff recovered on the ranch then the material was simply from some flight "not accounted for" in someone's diary... (ridiculous as this is, it seems much more likely that the "other" explanation).
Best wishes for the festive season...
Martin -
Marcel told reporter Johnny Mann of WWL-TV in New Orleans that stuff in that photograph was NOT the stuff he had brought from Roswell. Thomas DuBose, the Eighth Air Force Chief of Staff (a very high-level position) that the stuff in the photographs (and he's in two of them) was switched. It wasn't the real debris.
BTW, which flight do you think was left out of the listings? Flight #4 and Flight #9 are the only two possible culprits. Flight #9 was to be launched on July 3, but was cancelled because of an accident at White Sands, and Flight #4 was cancelled because of clouds. What this means is that all flights, including those not listed in the official records were accounted for.
I really hope that I don't have to explain this again because there is both testimony and documentation to back this up. Your speculation just adds to the unnecessary confusion.
Greetings from France,
Concerning your sooooooo destroying questions.
"How can balloon Flight #4, which was cancelled, leave any sort of debris on the ranch managed by Mack Brazel?”"
Yourselve, is labelling the flight as #4! Read again Technical Report Number 1 or my blog.
In other words, it is not because a flight is not present in the table summary that it was canceled or never existed, but because:
Or no attempt or no materials to control/record the altitude were made.
Or because special gear or technic tested.
Or due to different failures on ground or during the flight.
"why did Brazel wait until July 6 to take samples into Roswell? "
Cause the reward, read my blog or my book in French.
Etc. And for each your soooo destroying questions^^
It seems the Roswell myth seems currently in your current belief, and You, Kevin, still insisting.
I respect belief or Religion. But after all, FACTS and not (your) FICTION.
Well, that's ufology, after all.
Happy new year 2026.
Gilles Fernandez
Eya again, Kevin,
Concerning the so-called "Johnny Mann's interview" :
You can provide us such an interview and record? A link, PLEASE? And then the audio source, we can or not? ^^
Or, it is a part of the Roswell Myth, too?
Gilles Fernandez
Gilles -
I don't understand your first point. Are you suggesting that I have invented the Flight #4 problem... That I have somehow co-opted that name? Let me quote from the Colonel Richard Weaver interview of Charles Moore. Moore said, "To answer your question, there are three flights that are missing here -- two, three and four. I've identified Flight 4. Flight 4 was a flight we made, and you don't have it there, but Flight 4 we made in Alamogordo something like June 2nd or 3rd of 1947. The reason I have identified it is I have Albert Crary's diary."
If you read more of, well, Moore, you'll find him qualifying his statements to Weaver. For example, he said, "So I think we tried the radar targets, as I remember, our contact who was a Captain Larry Dyvad found they weren't able to track our flights at all."
I would think that a proper skeptic would look at all of Moore's contradictory statements and wonder about the veracity of his testimony rather than just cherry pick the pieces that fit the narrative.
Oh, and one of the things that I've learned is that Brazel had no radio or newspaper service at the ranch and most of the stories that appeared in the newspapers about rewards either noted they had expired or Brazel would not have seen them... therefore, his motivation to go to Roswell was not the alleged rewards, but something else.
Much of the fiction here is the claims that the New York University experiments were highly classified and that those who worked on it didn't even know the Mogul... except that name appears in Dr. Crary's unclassified notes several times.
As you say, "Well, that's skepticism, after all."
Not sure what Johnny Mann interview you wish to have a link to. I interviewed him in his home in Amarillo, Texas, talked on the telephone to him, and provided, in the books, the source and reference. Do you have a specific question about the veracity of those interviews? However, if I know, specifically what you are after, I might be able to help... I will note that the information from Mann was checked against what Jesse Marcel, Jr. had said, and, I think if I understand what you want, by others.
Dear Kevin,
My point is that yourself wrote "How can balloon Flight #4, which was cancelled, leave any sort of debris on the ranch managed by Mack Brazel?"
Your OWN sentence may introduce or may to think to the reader that the flight in question was cancelled, therefore a flight NEVER existing.
You are wrong and somehow "betraying" your readers: Technical report 1 PROOVES it flaw. It is simply not recorded and absent in the tables
If this flight is not reported and/or recorded in the tables, it is for what I wrote, than in my blog or in my book:
*** is not present in the table summary that it was canceled or never existed, but because:
Or no attempt or no materials to control/record the altitude were made.
Or because special gear or technic tested.
Or due to different failures on ground or during the flight.
You wrote: "that are missing HERE" (the caps lock are mines) in this interview. You well know the original question (it was concerning the tables and the absence or missing flights in the tables); therefore why some flights are missing in the tables.
"you don't have it there" : "there" = in the tables.
You wrote: "So I think we tried the radar targets, as I remember, our contact who was a Captain Larry Dyvad found they weren't able to track our flights at all.", Moore said.
Yes, cause not a flight tracked, it was absent of the tables. Failure, then not in the table, it have flew.
"Brazel had no radio or newspaper service at the ranch and most of the stories that appeared in the newspapers about rewards either noted they had expired or Brazel would not have seen them..."
You well know better sthan me (or there is a serious problem) that it was his neightboors (the Proctor) who have radio and newspaper who told him about the reward! Seriously, Kevin...
You wrote: "Much of the fiction here is the claims that the New York University experiments were highly classified and that those who worked on it didn't even know the Mogul... except that name appears in Dr. Crary's unclassified notes several times.é
Again, it is a pure fiction you are narrating for decades now and again betraying in some parts your readers. Your only argument is the name "Mogul" appears in a Crary's Diary. And? What a point and your final one, destroying all?!?
What was really classified concerning the project when you read USAAF report or AMC contract n° W28-099-ac- 241, and more) ? The goal and the dataes.
Well, I doubt you will renounce on several your books which have made your renown and the modern myth you fabricated: It is an human reflex, after all....
Gilles Fernandez
Kevin,
Concerning the Johnny Mann interview:
In your blog, you wrote "When Marcel looked at those pictures decades later, in the company of TV reporter Johnny Mann, Marcel said that wasn’t the stuff he had taken to Fort Worth.". It was in 2009 at your blog and recorded in my book.
You wrote: "Marcel told reporter Johnny Mann of WWL-TV in New Orleans that stuff in that photograph was NOT the stuff he had brought from Roswell."
It is more simply than that, why are you so complicating again a case you are the so-called expert?
I asked you to provide us a direct link of the DIRECT interview and Marcel telling it to Johnny Mann. Let me explain the lack here for your readers:
I well know and you normaly too, that this interview was NOT recorded.
For your memories, and if you need some, the credibility of this interview is due to Julian Krajewski, who testimoned to have been a witness of this interview.
More, in this interview, Mann showed the two CROPPED pictures of the debris, according to the testimonies. AKA the ones of the Berlitz and Moore book (there were no more pictures at the time)... Therefore, such two pictures/photographs have not the kite-like debris, rawin-targets, it make perfect sens he have a problem here.
Maybe, you will next point to me Linday Corley 1981 tapes. Please, dont do this, I know how Stanton Friedman "recorded" this again.
Regards,
Gilles Fernandez
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