Thursday, February 23, 2006

Lovekin is a General... But...

Well, the answer is finally in. After writing to many people requesting information, after actually calling Stephen Lovekin at home (and learning to my horror that he was just out of the hospital), after emailing a relative who was defending him, I have learned the truth about Lovekin. It turns out that I was right… He was not a brigadier general on active duty with the Army, he was not a member and brigadier general in the North Carolina National Guard and he was not a brigadier general in the Army Reserve. He is, as I speculated, a brigadier general in the State Guard of North Carolina Association, a volunteer, civilian organization. For those wishing to the Disclosure Project evidence, click on the comments after the other Lovekin article for the links.

Yes, this seems to be splitting a fine hair here, but it is not. As I wrote, during World War II, when the National Guard in all states was activated, the states responded by creating the State Guard. It was an organization that took on the role of the National Guard while those soldiers were deployed. When the war ended and the National Guard soldiers were demobilized, these state guards were disbanded or allowed to disintegrate. Their charters, in many cases expired. In the 1990s, many of these organizations were revitalized, but often without the state recognition they once held.

With the information, supplied by Dr. Stephen Greer of the Disclosure Project, I learned about Lovekin’s military connection. I used Google to find the State Guard of North Carolina. It has a one page web site that explains in their mission statement, "The NCSGA (North Carolina State Guard Association) is deicated (sic) to provide an organized trained group of volunteers to help in times of emergency and as a manpower multiplier force for the CERT program in the State of North Carolina."

They also note, "We train to assist our local law enforcement, fire, and medicial (sic) teams. We have training with the Red Cross Emergency System, Mass Care, Housing, Comm First Aid, etc. We have volunteered and helped on the NC coast with hurricanes, in the mountains with floods and in our communities with search and rescue."

There is a link to another, more comprehensive web site for that organization. For those interested in more information Contact: Tom Griffith (Chief of Staff) 225 Edgeland Dr.PO Box 17171, Charlotte, NC 28277 Matthews, NC 28105 Phone: (704) 847-4855 Fax: Website: USAFreedom Corps: Citizen Corps.

This organization is somewhat similar to the Air Force’s Civil Air Patrol (CAP). All CAP members wear the Air Force uniform, but they are not members of the Air Force. The CAP is the official auxiliary and they perform a great service in search and rescue. But they are civilian volunteers who serve without pay and often with little recognition.

And so it is with the North Carolina State Guard Association. They perform service and are a benefit to the community, but they are an organization of civilian volunteers in a paramilitary organization who serve without pay.

So, the answer to the question in the original article, "Is Lovekin a Brigadier General," is yes. But it is a qualified yes, meaning that he holds a commission as a Brigadier General in an organization that has no official recognition.

If I was to complain about the way he is listed in the various articles and on various web sites, it would be about the claim of National Guard Reserve. As I have said, there is no such thing though both the National Guard and the Army Reserve are parts of the Reserve Component. In all official planning for the force structure the National Guard and the Army Reserve are featured. The North Carolina State Guard Association is not.

To correct the problem, all that needs to be done is to change the listing from National Guard Reserve to North Carolina State Guard Association. Those who wish to understand the significance of Lovekin’s commission can then find their way to the web sites. They will have the information necessary to understand what is going on.
But let’s go just a little bit further. I now understand why my search failed to find any reference to an officer named Lovekin in the Army Registry. When Lovekin said that he was assigned to the White House Signal Agency, he was not an officer. He was a specialist, meaning he was a low-ranking enlisted man. Given the timing, and Lovekin’s biography, it means he entered the Army shortly after he finished high school, served for a limited time, and then went to college. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he joined the Army for the GI Bill which would have helped pay for college.

Lest anyone think I am disparaging Lovekin’s course, let me point out that I served as a private on active duty, later as a specialist (E-5) before finishing flight school and receiving a promotion to Warrant Officer. One of my goals was to obtain the GI Bill to help pay for college. In fact, there are many who served in the military with the idea of receiving money for college. As I mentioned before, I have nothing against teenagers in the Army. I was one myself.

Where does that leave us? Well, Lovekin was a member of the White House Army Signal Agency, but as an enlisted man. He serves, or served, as a Brigadier General in North Carolina State Guard Association but has not held that rank in the Armed Forces of the United States. What this does is clarify his position and helps us understand and assign credibility to his claims of what he heard at the Eisenhower White House.

I’ll make one more quick comment. I laid out the information I have carefully. I showed that there were no official documents that showed Lovekin served as a general in any of the officially sanctioned military services. I suggested then that he might have been appointed a general in this loosely organized State Guard, which is the case. I had asked for help from those supporting Lovekin such as Dr. Michael Salla, who said he would find out and let me know. I wrote to Lovekin’s cousin, twice, asking for documentation and said I would post it immediately (I find that I don't have to do that because of the emails in the comments section... There are links there to the documentation). I received nothing. Instead, I’m attacked for wanting to get to the truth. This I knew would happen.

So, for those who want to believe, Lovekin is a general. For those who want the truth, the source of his commission is important. If the media were to check on this, what conclusion do you think they would draw? And it is those people who are disinterested that should drive the train, not the true believers or the hardcore debunkers.


Mike said...

Excellent work!

Now, as to Lovekin's report about
the high ranking military official
who allegedly showing him Roswell
debris and who reportedly said
something about the UFO matter slipping out of Eisenhower's control, what can we make of that?
It's an interesting report, but
without any corroboration from anyone else, is this something we can go to town with? (Or, Congress, or the press?)

Yours (Randle's) was a good faith
effort and a job well done. Greer's angry rant was WAY out of
line. What IS his trip anyway, in
calling you an enabler of ufo secrecy? Such an assertion (along
with his accusations of you defaming Lovekin) is not only inaccurate and unfair (and out of
line), but a good snapshot into the
current state of his character.
Sad, very sad.

Mike Jamieson

Anonymous said...

Great work once again!


Paul Kimball said...


I concur with Mike and Will (and Dick Hall over at UFO Updates) - excellent work.


Justthetruth said...

I worked for Mr. lovekin in his law office for several years. While there, he asked me to be responsible for sensitive documents pertaining to everything you speak of here. Being a person of integrity, I read the information and then kept it under lock and key until my departure. I did not make copies, take pictures or have any proof they existed other than my reading them. I turned the documents over to a longtime employee there. I had and have the utmost respect for Mr. Lovekin. He is "the real deal".

Anonymous said...

So are you saying he's the "real deal" in the sense that he really did experience what he says he did? Do you have first hand knowledge of his accounts? Or is he the "real deal" in the sense that he's an attorney and a real person? We listen to his testimony and although it does corroborate other testimony (Phillip J Corso) but all the "ummms and ahhhs" do leave, at least me... skeptical.

Unknown said...

Big deal what difference does it make, he was a Brigadier General in service that is not a lie? It makes sense to me if President Roosevelt had some trust issues with the military machine of the day he probably would look to someone high up in the reserves to confine with. Especially if he knew they were killing people for spilling the beans.

KRandle said...

All -

This argument about his military rank is something of a red herring. Google State Guard Association of the US and see what you get. I was commissioned a major general in that organization, which means that I filled out their application and sent in the money. But these organizations are, for the most part, civilian that operate under the obscure umbrella of state militias that were much more important in the 19th century. Most are not recognized for anything and are not part of the planning for National Guard or military operations and in some states are seen as an annoyance rather than a force multiplier.

So, Roosevelt was not involved (you mean Eisenhower) and at that time Lovekin was a mid-level member of the ASA and Eisenhower would not be talking about of turn with someone not cleared to know that specific information. During WW II as they planned for the invasion of Normandy, Eisenhower fired a couple of generals for speaking out of turn.

Corso was not telling he truth about what he had seen and done and Lovekin's tale has no more validity than did Corso's.

Unknown said...

Not sure anyone is reading this anymore but if you are I saw “Commander Greer’s”new movie last night, the false claims by multiple men was astounding. Once again they show Stephen Lovekin as a General in the US Army, this angered me so much I started researching him to be certain I was right. The reason it struck me as false was that perhaps ten years ago after another film came out I did some digging on Lover boy and found he was full of crap. Greer is a master snake oil salesmen and has promised time and time again to release all kinds of amazing evidence and yet here we are 25 years after his first crack pot crusade and not one shred of evidence ever has been released by him. Greer has singlehanded done more damage to the subject than anyone including the CIA. When he shoves guys like Cliff Stone in our faces and expects us to take that goof ball seriously it instantly destroyes any chance of credibility. So many of the first disclosure project guys were full of it the thing was the instant laughing stock of the press and for good reason. Sadly good men have been taken down with Greer’s sinking ship, Edgar Mitchel, Paul Hellier and even John Callahan. The remaining Greer faithful are simply the rats on that ship and will grab on to anything in order to stop from drowning. Greer himself needs to be publicly tarred and feathered for his galactic name dropping and if not for that then for his giant list If ridiculous unprovable claims. “Alien reproduction vehicles” the claim that he personally bri fed everyone from the CIA to the Pope and or perhaps god himself, this guy drops lies more often than slim shady drops rhymes.

Unknown said...

Anything connected to Greer should be met with absolute doubt

Anonymous said...

I would like to clear up that he did not join the army for the GI bill. His family had lots of money. Trust me, I know. The GI bill was for poor people.

KRandle said...

physics -

I'd like to say that everyone who was in the military at the right time was eligible for the GI Bill. Family wealth had nothing to do with the benefits earned in military service.