Here’s something that I find incredibly amusing. An expert in one subject being asked an opinion in an related subject and then answering the question with misinformation. You would think that a scientist would want to know the facts before he made a claim that is so easily refuted.
I’m thinking here of Phil Plait and his Bad Astronomy column in which he talked about UFOs just a couple of days ago. He was suggesting that when he lectured, he was often asked if he believed in aliens and flying saucers. His answer was, "Yes and no."
He meant, quite clearly, and he did explain it, that he believed there was life on other planets, mainly those outside the Solar System and that he didn’t believe we were being visited. His reasoning? He wrote:
Amateur astronomers, of course. They are dedicated observers, out every night peering at the sky. If The Truth Is Out There, then amateur astronomers would be reporting far and away the vast majority of UFOs.
But they don’t. Why not? Because they understand the sky! [Emphasis in original] They know when a twinkling light is Venus, or a satellite, or a military flare, or a hot air balloon, and so they don’t report it.
That, to me, is the killer argument that aliens aren’t visiting us. If they were, the amateur astronomers would spot them.
The problem here is that astronomers, both professional and amateur have reported UFOs, and if we add in atmospheric scientists, we increase the pool of those who understand the sky and who have reported UFOs.
Examples you say?
Certainly. The one that springs immediately to mind is Clyde Tombaugh who was credited with discovering the now dwarf planet, Pluto. In 1949, at 10:45, Tombaugh, his wife and his mother-in-law saw something strange in the night sky. The full report is now housed at the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies in Chicago, and I have held the original report in my hands (and I wonder what that document would bring on eBay?).
Tombaugh wrote, "I happened to be looking at the zenith... when suddenly I spied a geometrical group of faint bluish-green rectangles of light... As the group moved south-southeasterly, the individual rectangles became foreshortened, their space of formation smaller... and their intensity duller, fading from view at about 35 degrees above the horizon... My wife thought she saw a faint connecting glow across the structure."
I’m sure that we’re about to hear that Dr. Donald Menzel, the UFO debunker and critic of anyone who suggested that any UFOs are anything other than misidentifications or hoaxes, was able to solve the sighting. He suggested that "a low, thin layer of haze or smoke reflected the lights of a distant house or some other multiple source."
Tombaugh, who saw the objects replied to Menzel, who didn’t see them, writing, "I doubt that the phenomenon was any terrestrial reflection, because in that case some similarity to it should have appeared many times... nothing of the kind has ever appeared before or since."
Well, a UFO sighting by one astronomer does not make the complete case, so let’s take a look at that paragon of scientific investigation, the Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects now almost universally called the Condon Committee. They, of course, didn’t bother with their own research, but quoted from Project Blue Book Report No. 8 dated 31 December 1952.
The Blue Book astronomical consultant (which they don’t name but everyone today knows it was Dr. J. Allen Hynek, seen here) interviewed 44 astronomers about their attitudes about UFOs and found, not surprisingly, that most were completely indifferent to UFOs, or at best, mildly interested. Only eight said they were very interested.
The important point here is that five of them, according to Hynek, "made sightings of one sort or another. This is a higher percentage than among the populace at large. Perhaps this is to be expected since astronomers do, after all, watch the skies."
Hynek said that when he told these astronomers that there were some cases that were highly interesting and in which there was no easy solution, their interest was "almost immediately aroused."
This, of course, goes back to the original comment that amateur astronomers don’t see flying saucers and if they don’t, then there simply can’t be anything to them. But here we’re talking about the professionals, who confided in Hynek because he was a colleague. Hynek, because of his position with Project Blue Book had some inside knowledge about UFOs and he was taking the whole thing seriously.
Hynek, in his report added another comment that explains part of this perception that astronomers don’t see UFOs. Hynek noted, "And certainly another contributing factor to their desire not to talk about these things is their overwhelming fear of publicity. One headline in the nation’s papers to the effect that ‘Astronomer Sees Flying Saucer’ would be enough to brand the astronomer as questionable among his colleagues."
So now we learn that astronomers do see UFOs and they do not report them for fear of professional ridicule. I heard one professional astronomer, in the 1970s, when asked what he thought of Hynek’s work reply, "Allen always wanted to discover a new constellation."
What that tells us is that Hynek’s interviews of two decades earlier were still true in the 1970s, and we know that it is true today. We still have the professional scientists making pronouncements on the topic without benefit of personal knowledge. They are all too willing to dismiss the topic without bothering to learn the facts because, to do so, they would have to wade through oceans of ill-informed skeptical comment, such as Menzel’s dismissal of Tombaugh’s sighting.
But let’s ask one other question. When does anecdotal testimony become scientific observation? When does the training of the person making those observations suggest some sort of expertise? Does a pilot, military or commercial, with tens of thousands of hours in the cockpit, who is familiar with what is in the sky, make anecdotal statements or refined scientific commentary?
What about the use of instrumentation? Charles Moore (seen here), the man who claims to have launched the balloon array that explains the Roswell UFO crash has his own, unexplained UFO sighting. On April 24, 1949 Moore and four Navy technicians in New Mexico were tracking a weather balloon using a theodolite that consisted of a 25-power telescope equipped to provide readings on vertical and horizontal bearings. Given his observations as it passed in front of a mountain range, he estimated the UFO was traveling at 18,000 mph, before it disappeared in a sharp climb.
Here was a man who was familiar with the sky, who watched the object through a theodolite so that he could make educated estimates of the object’s ability, and who reported this to Project Blue Book. The sighting is labeled as "unidentified."
Menzel, of course, knew that this couldn’t be anything extraordinary. According to him he could identify the object. In a conversation with Moore, Menzel said that it was no object at all but a mirage, an atmospheric reflection of the true balloon, making it appear as if there were two objects in the sky instead of one. He was so sure of this that he told Moore about the solution.
Moore, however, describes himself as an atmospheric physicist and considers himself as qualified as Menzel to discuss the dynamics of the atmosphere. And, according to Moore in an interview I conducted on El Paso radio station KTSM, the weather conditions were not right for the creation of mirages that day. Since Moore was on the scene, and since his training qualified him to make judgements about the conditions of the atmosphere, his conclusions are more important than Menzel’s wild speculations.
Moore is no fan of the extraterrestrial, as evidenced by some of his statements about the Roswell case and UFOs to various writers, including me. But, his sighting stands as one that should be counted as a scientific observation rather than as mere anecdotal testimony.
I could go on, but what’s the point. I have refuted the original idea that astronomers do not see UFOs. I have provided the documentation for this claim, and for those interested in Moore’s sighting, it is housed in the Project Blue Book files. Only the names have been removed, but we can, in most cases, put those names back in. In my Project Blue Book - Exposed, I have a listing of all the Blue Book unidentified cases.
So, now that we know that astronomers do see UFOs and some even report them, where do we go? These scientists are familiar with the sky, they understand what is in the sky, but sometimes they see things that are extraordinary and that do not fit into the nice little categories we have created for them. Sometimes, you could say, they see flying saucers.
Did you e-mail a copy of this to Mr. Plait? Or, if you didn't, do you mind if I e-mail a copy to him? -- Louis J. Sheehan
Phil Plait is a great skeptic. I'm a big fan of him. But he's really good at explaining science to the general public, and he's really good at debunking the Moon Hoax Conspiracy Theory. On the other hand, he's not so good about debunking UFOs. He doesn't write or talk that much about it, and when it does... Well, he could do better than that.
If you want a good skeptic talking about the ufo folklore, check out James McGaha interview on Point of Inquiry.
I thought it was really good.
I deal a lot with the UFO phenomena from a skeptical point of view on my blog, but it's in French...
I do not mind if you email a copy to Mr. Plait. I have not done so.
If you do, you might mention that a survey was made of about 1800 amateur astronomers and about a quarter of them (23%) said they had seen something in the sky they could not identify. That seems like such a large number that he should have known about it.
I too am a fan of the Bad Astronomy site, but, if you're going to be skeptical, you need to be sure of your argument. Too often the scientists refuse to look at the data.
And we are quite familiar with the UFO folklore, including skeptical arguments that are little more than myths... astronomers don't see UFOs, there is no physical evidence, or my personal favorite, that only poorly educated, rural people see UFOs... like CLyde Tombaugh... he lived in New Mexico after all.
Phil Plait and Kevin Randle--two of my favorites, together in once convenient location--though I'm certainly with Kevin on this one, mostly, anyway.
I do think there may be non-e.t. explanations for most if not all of the sightings of amateur astronomers, but I agree that Plait failed to take the existence of those reports into account.
Keep up the good work, Kevin--I've read almost all your books, and thoroughly enjoyed them.
I can only speak about personal experiece. I was an amerture astronmer and I lived in New Jersey. Although I had witness a UFO it was in daytime. My neighbor was an amerture and much better than me. Neither had he see anything with a scope but he had witnessed a UFO in fact it landed in the desert. Phil gave us nothing more than his opinion. My friend never told any of his friends and asked me not to. So there are many amature astronmers who don't want to talk about. This is never part of Plait universe. I have no more respect for his opinion than any other layman on the this subject. I find his slide rule explantions for everything nonsense. Human beings are little brighter and carefull when it comes to this subject; Hey Phil it's called human nature you and some of your followers should read a book on it some time.. get out of the class room talk to some flesh and blood people UFO witnesses. sometimes like pilots.
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I have Phil Plait's book and see his website now and again. You're right that he should keep off UFOs until and unless he reads and learns a lot more about the subject.
This applies to many scientists who pontificate about the subject. One only has to go through old astronomical journals to see that strange sightings are made by astronomers, professional and amateur, from time to time. True, most of these are later explained, but not all of them. Also, don't forget that the arch-skeptic Menzel himself had one notable sighting whose explanation eluded him. There were different accounts of it but I believe Menzel did once admit it had him baffled. La Paz saw at least one green fireball. I never discovered what La Paz's final conclusion on these objects was. Did you? I know he originally suspected they were possible Russian test missiles, but presumably he dropped this idea later.
PS. I forgot to mention La Paz's own UFO sighting in New Mexico on July 10, 1947, listed in LIFE magazine. He was the anonymous astronomer in question. He evidently did not want publicity at the time, even though he later became very interested in the phenomenon.
I was closely associated with Clyde Tombaugh for over 20 years and can verify that he knew the sky better than 90% of today's astronomers, many of whom rarely ever have any reason to even look upward!
Donald Menzel, on the other hand, was a brilliant astrophysicist but not a very experienced observer. Nevertheless, he had been involved in the early development of radar, and had to be well aware of the absurdity of the "mirage" explanations he kept touting; so why did he do it?
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he was deliberately spreading disinformation ... but here again, why?
Menzel was also part of MJ-12 if we are to accept some of the documents as real. (I do. Not all, but some).
The Bad Astronomer needs to speak with Jacques Vallee, a respected astrophysicist. In his book Dimensions, Vallee states that many astronomers, both professional and amateur, have confided to him that they have seen UFOs they can not explain by conventional means.
Why should astronomers be the last argument on UFOs anyway? UFOs are mainly seen in the Earth's atmosphere, at altitudes we fly at, not out in space where the astronomer's eye is focused on specific distant stars and comets.
If anyone's more qualified to speak for the UFO phenonemon, it would be aircraft pilots. But pilots are saying what skeptics like the Bad Astronomer don't want to hear -- the truth.
Cheers for the great piece Kevin, keep up the great work.
The Daily Grail
In this blog entry on the "Skepticblog", Phil Plait gives a very good reply to your argument: "UFonies".
Phil Plait writes:
The problem is, this doesn’t show me wrong. It misses the point entirely, which is the majority of UFO reports would be made by amateur astronomers if these were in fact alien spaceships. I don’t care if you can find a handful of reports from astronomers. This shows conclusively that the majority of UFOs reported are not flying saucers, but misidentified mundane objects.
With this clarification, I agree completely with him. If the extraterrestrial hypothesis was true, the balance of witness should be really different. Good job Phil!
"In this blog entry on the "Skepticblog", Phil Plait gives a very good reply to your argument: "UFonies"... With this clarification, I agree completely with him. If the extraterrestrial hypothesis was true, the balance of witness should be really different. Good job Phil!"
I'm not sure what Phil Plait should be applauded for in this new post. Basically, he comes to the conclusion that all intelligent ufologists came to fifty years ago - that "that the majority of UFOs reported are not flying saucers, but misidentified mundane objects". The short reply to that would be..."duh?"
Further to that, he does a hatchet job on Chris Rutkowski without having an ounce of knowledge about his research or background. When Phil suggests that Chris probably doesn't know many amateur astronomers, it seems pretty ignorant considering the fact that Chris was a long-standing member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada (heading up one of their chapters even).
Here is a response by Plait on content like the one one above:
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