Thursday, August 06, 2020

X-Zone Broadcast Network - Matt Tiller and the SCU

This week I talked with Matt Tiller who is a member of the SCU (Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies*) and the editor of their publication, SCU Review. We began with a brief discussion of what the SCU is and how one becomes a member of it. With the trouble in MUFON, I wondered if some of that membership might be interested in joining the SCU. You can listen to the interview here:

From there we talked about the Ubatuba metal sample. This was debris picked up on a beach in Brazil in 1957. It has been analyzed several times by labs in Brazil and

Matt Tiller

the United States. Although the metal is unusual, the various analyses haven’t confirmed the extraterrestrial nature of the material. The major problem is the broken chain of custody.

Although I had wanted to talk about the search for exoplanets and what that meant in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, we ended up discussing, for the moment, the Del Rio UFO crash and what that meant for those who are involved with the Academy to the Stars. As I have mentioned here, a number of times, the Del Rio crash is limited to a single witness who lied about his military record. Robert Willingham is not the most credible of sources. You can read about him here (as well as other places):

For those interested in following this whole, sad tale in depth, just type Robert Willingham into the search engine here and you’ll find that I have spent a great deal of time on this. Willingham annoyed me with his Stolen Valor (in photographs he is wearing a number of military awards and decorations that he didn’t earn including an Air Assault Badge. You have to wonder how an Air Force officer who retired in 1966, a badge that wasn’t authorized until after the Vietnam War) and his lies about UFO crashes (yes, he was there for seven retrievals) and his claim of high military rank.

We also talked about the Fermi Paradox, which concerns me greatly in my old age. I began to think that there are plenty of planets teeming with intelligent life out there, but the speed of light and the distances between stars defeats interstellar travel. We aren’t alone. We’re just isolated. I hope this isn’t the case and there is a way to defeat the distances, but I just don’t know.

If you wish to learn more about the SCU and/or Matt Tiller, you can find it here:

Next week, I’ll be talking with Robert Sheaffer again. The topic, in one of the few times I have a title, is Stan Friedman and Philip Klass – What’s the Difference? If you have any questions, as always post them to the comments section and I’ll try to get them asked.

* Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, the new name for UFO, which I suddenly find annoying. Yes, UFO is often equated with alien spacecraft, but I find that preferable. Of course, to be clear, we can always use flying saucer to clarify the whole discussion. This might be an argument for another post.


William Strathmann said...


Interesting show. It seems to me that Mr. Tiller still has a lot to learn to get up to speed, though he is on the way.

Re: The Fermi Paradox that ‘concerns me greatly in my old age [. . .] the speed of light and the distances between stars defeats interstellar travel. We aren’t alone. We’re just isolated.’

Yet, the other side of acknowledging mind-numbingly vast interstellar distances is that there are many reported UFOs around the world every year. Even if only a tiny fraction of the total raw reports is of actual anomalous encounters, let’s say a mere 60 out of some 10,000 reports (or more?) a year, that still means that on average, every six days some interaction occurs between UFOs and humanity.

Moreover, high-strangeness often accompanies such encounters. The Gaffney, SC, encounter of 1966 is representative. Two patrolmen encounter an anomalous object in an isolated location. A small human-like being exits the object and chats with the two officers in fluent English. The small being has no N95 valved-respirator-mask or any other breathing device. After a time, the humanoid reenters the object and departs. The two officers go back to headquarters to write up the report. So, there is no unconsciousness or missing-time for the officers – nor is the report a tale from hypnotic regression. Just a strange encounter by two credible officers.

In light of the high-strangeness often accompanying anomalous encounters, Jacques Vallee and Eric Davis discusses a six-layered approach to analyzing anomalous encounter reports.

Vallee, of course, thinks that UFO phenomena do not necessarily indicate interstellar travelers, but arise from whatever causes a spectrum of anomalous phenomenon on earth, so described in his book Passport to Magonia. Perhaps all anomalous encounters are from such a ‘non-interstellar’ source. That could point to what is popularly known as ‘interdimensional’, though I think a better term than interdimensional should be sought.

Caio S. Rearte said...

Hi Kevin, why do you think that all of TTSA's credibility hinges on a single story from Eric Davis?

If you think they're not credible at all, why don't you follow up on any of the cases presented in season 2 of Unidentified? If you can prove they're conmen, you're going to make quite a splash, even in Washington DC, because a lot of people believe the TTSA team.