Thursday, September 17, 2020

Eric Davis, Again


The Devoid (Billy Cox), columnist at the Miami Herald, reignited the Admiral Thomas Wilson debate not all that long ago. Although it seemed that most of mainstream Ufology had realized that the story told by Dr. Eric Davis about his clandestine meeting with the Admiral was probably more hyperbole that truth, there are still those who believe the information is leading us to disclosure. You can read the article here:

I bring all this up because, a while back, Dr. Davis had suggested, on Coast-to-Coast, that the Del Rio UFO crash was real. That crash is based on the information of a single witness who had claimed to be a retired Air Force colonel, a former Air Force fighter pilot, and a veteran of the Korean War. I explored all this at length in a posting on this blog that you can read here:

Given that the Del Rio story is a hoax, and the lone witness to it has been less than honest about it, this does cast a shadow over the credibility of Dr. Davis. I mean, if he truly had inside information, he would have known the Del Rio crash was a hoax.

Robert Willingham, pretend
Air Force Officer.

I exposed it as such in 2010 in my book, Crash: When UFOs Fall from the Sky. I also gave a presentation at the MUFON Symposium in Denver about Robert Willingham, the discredited source, and why his tale should be rejected. This merely means that the information I uncovered was available long before Dr. Davis had his conversation with Admiral Wilson (which, BTW, Wilson has denied ever having taken place).

In the last few days, a number of people have been discussing this on the Internet, and I wouldn’t mention it but their experiences seem to match my own. As I said in the post, I had emailed Dr. Davis a couple of times, even asking George Knapp for some help in making contact, but never heard a word back from Davis. The excuse was that Dr. Davis was getting plenty of emails from all over the world and I certainly could understand his failure to reply to me.


I wasn’t the only one having that sort of problem. Andr√© Skondras told Philip Mantle had he had attempted to contact Dr. Davis but hadn’t heard back. Given that had been less than twenty-four hours after he had sent his email, that wasn’t all that surprising. Now, several days later, he still hasn’t had a response.

That’s not the end of it. Don Schmitt reported, “Tracy Torme had asked me to contact Davis after his failure when he and James Fox were shooting the forthcoming docu-film. He never responded to email or personal calls. Next, because Davis was listed at that time as a MUFON consultant, I asked Jan Harzan to make the same effort. Same result.

This was important because of Don’s efforts and the suggestion that MUFON Executive Director Jan Harzan was involved (made long before Harzan’s arrest). While I fully understand Dr. Davis ignoring some of these requests, as a consultant to MUFON, you’d think that a response to the Executive Director would be forthcoming.

This has now taken a different path with a suggestion that we contact Admiral Wilson, who has repeatedly denied that he knew Davis and wouldn’t recognize him if he walked into the room. Since the Admiral has been contacted and responded a number of times, I don’t know what good it will do to bother him again. He’s not going to change his mind.

I’m reminded of the note Kent Jeffrey received from the late Colonel Robert Barrowclough, who, in 1947, was one of the senior officers at the Roswell Army Air Field. In that note dated June 15, 1997, Barrowclough wrote, “Thank you for the copy of the [MUFON] UFO Journal on the Roswell Myth. Maybe some of those crack pots will quit calling me up and say I’m covering up a deep gov’t secret.”

Even if Admiral Wilson did know something, he would be obligated to deny it if it was still classified. I’m not saying that he does, only that continued pestering of the man will not yield any positive results… especially since he is on the record, repeatedly, as saying he had no such discussion with Dr. Davis.

The key here is Dr. Davis, but it seems to be a key that is lost. Since Dr. Davis has proclaimed a well-known hoax (Del Rio) as being authentic, I fear that there is nothing more to learn from him. All we end up doing is chasing a claim that cannot be verified and it does nothing to advance our knowledge. It only diverts us from a path that could yield better results.


David said...


My apologies for the off-topic question, but was the 15th volume of your SEALS series, "Defection!," ever published? It was noted as "Coming Soon" in the 14th volume of the Avon Book edition.

Thank you for your time, and I hope this message finds you as well as your family and friends safe and healthy.


William Strathmann said...

Kevin, maybe I’m missing something, but there seem to be things in this story that raise further questions.

Not only does Adm Wilson deny any such meeting with Davis, per Billy Cox, but USNR Cmdr. Will Miller denies writing the two-page Miller letter that is included in the 15 pages of the notes, per a Joe Murgia interview. Miller said he remembers sending Dr. Davis a few mundane emails, but no snail-mails, and not the letter included in the “notes”.

So, backing up a bit.

In 1997 Dr. Steven Greer invited Miller and astronaut USN Capt. ret. Mitchell to accompany him in “briefing” Adm Wilson, and other high-ups, on USG secrecy about UFOs and Unacknowledged S.A.P.s. According to more recent vids by Greer, he says he told Wilson about secret NRO information for projects related to UFOs. mmm-kay.

So, according to the tale, after Greer’s briefing, Adm Wilson did look for S.A.P.s and then he telephoned Greer and told him about it. Adm Wilson did not call back USNR Cmdr Wilson, nor retired USN Capt. Mitchell, but rather the civilian Greer. It was Greer who then afterward called and told Miller, who then informed Mitchell. So, it seems that the entire concept that Adm Wilson went looking around for U.S.A.P.s rest squarely on the shoulders of Dr. Steven Greer.

It’s not difficult to find, online, instances of Greer being called out for borrowing, or seriously embellishing his information.

At the very end of a recent 2020 lecture by Hal Puthoff, the host asked Dr. Puthoff if (as Dr. Steven Greer had stated) Puthoff had told Greer that Puthoff and his family were threatened with death if he revealed any secrets of his physics research. Puthoff denied that he’d never said such a thing. Here is the link with the time marker for the end of the vid at the place Puthoff made his statement.

Kevin, you have an article about one of Greer’s disclosure witnesses, “Brigadier General” Stephen Lovekin, who was not actually associated with the Army Nat. Guard.

Too, even Ed Mitchell said Greer would "overreach his data continuously".

Sounds like a polite way of saying he fibs continuously. Mitchell eventually sought to completely disassociate with Greer.

So, the entire bottom-line premise of the alleged Davis-Wilson notes is that Wilson was briefed by Greer, then went snooping for U.S.A.P.s and supposedly found at least one, but was told that he was not authorized to be read into them, nor did he have any oversight of them. That made Wilson hopping mad. So, he called up his buddy Steve Greer and told him all about it. Then, shortly after Wilson retired, he also met with slightly acquainted Eric Davis in a car [not a SCIF] for almost an hour and a half and told him all about it, too.

The alleged Davis-Wilson notes do contain people, titles and occupations that line up with reality. According to a recent podcast, that includes names of people associated with the AFIO – Association of Former Intelligence Officers, of which Dr Davis himself is a member. I’m wondering if these “notes” might not have been some operation to try to flush out agents in the USG who were spilling secrets. Recall that in very early 2001 the catastrophic US spy Robert Hanssen was finally apprehended. Surely people in the intelligence hierarchy like Wilson were paying attention to such things. The Wiki article on Adm Wilson says that a Cuban spy was indeed uncovered in DIA.

William Strathmann said...


Beyond this, Richard Dolan interviewed Kit Green, including about the “alien autopsy” email thread between Green and colleagues. The document containing Green’s email thread was anonymously released within a day of the Davis-Wilson notes document being anonymously released, so they seem to be related in some way.

Anyway, according to Dolan’s interview, Green acknowledged that the email thread is authentic. But Green now strenuously denies the authenticity of the alien autopsy. According to Dolan’s interview, Green, who literally was a CIA agent, said he was “hoaxed” by the Pentagon in ’87-’88 into believing there had been an alien autopsy. Green also said that he began getting anonymous mail packages at his home of what seemed to be scientific studies, and even of tissue samples. Green said he asked some of his specialist friends in biology and medicine to evaluate the scientific studies, and they said it was a clever hoax.

So, I do not know if the alleged Davis-Wilson notes are a hoax, but it seems possible that they might be. Nothing new if they are.

The so-called Miller letter included in the Davis-Wilson notes also mentions Hal Puthoff, who was Eric Davis’s boss. So, if the notes-document and the Miller letter were not written by Davis and Miller respectively, then what are these people supposed to do? Shout from the rooftop that it’s all a big hoax? Maybe they think it is (or was, anyway) an intel operation so that it’s better to just shut up about it. Maybe.

KRandle said...

David -

I don't know why the last book in the series said that. I never wrote a book with that title, and the series ended with Treasure.