Saturday, February 20, 2021

Roswell and Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy


There are times when I am truly amazed at the credulity of the UFO community. Cases that are admitted hoaxes resurface with “new” evidence but are still admitted hoaxes. Cases that have been shown to be fake, resurface as others seem to believe that we have missed an important fact. And there are some that should have never taken off, given the “evidence” surrounding them.

Just the other day I was treated to a renewed interest in the story of Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy who claimed to be a former member of the military who had been in Roswell in 1947 and who had communicated with an alien creature that survived the crash. There is so much wrong with this, that I can’t believe that anyone took it seriously.

An alleged photograph of MacElroy... this is a picture of a 
commissioned officer and not an NCO.

Let’s just begin with the photograph on the cover of the book. It is of an Army nurse, who may or may not have been MacElroy. The trouble here is that MacElroy claimed to have been an NCO but the woman in the picture is in an officer’s uniform. Clearly there is a problem here that is never clarified and this is the first hint of trouble.

We’re told that MacElroy was a nurse, but, of course, her name doesn’t surface in any of the documents we have that provide listings of those serving in Roswell in 1947. She said that she was an NCO, but Army nurses, in fact all military nurses, are commissioned officers, so she wasn’t a nurse. Some sort of technician, maybe? Well, we have no information suggesting that there were any female medical technicians assigned to Roswell in 1947, so that doesn’t work. Besides, she said that she wasn’t a technician.

Then we have the trouble with her rank in 1947. She said, because she had made telepathic contact with the alien, she was assigned as its “companion?” or some such nonsense. She was given a raise and promoted to Senior Master Sergeant. This was a rank created by the Air Force (which didn’t exist in July 1947) in June of 1958. 

She said that she drove Mr. Cavitt out to the site where one was alive. But, in all my conversations with Cavitt, in all the questions Don Schmitt and I asked him about others who might have some knowledge, and in all the names that Cavitt supplied, hers never came up. Of course, Cavitt, as a captain, wasn’t authorized a driver. Either he, or one of the others assigned to the CIC office, would have driven the vehicles.

Bill Rickett, the number two man in the CIC office, and who was willing to answer all the questions put to him, never mentioned a female driver assigned to their office and never mentioned a female who had worked with them, even on a temporary basis. At some point as the questions were asked about those working in the office, this would have been mentioned.

What we see here is someone spinning a tale who knows nothing about the military or the rank structure or its history. It’s as if he (and yes, I mean he) is pulling the details out of thin air because they sound good.

Here is what we are told in the very beginning of the book, Alien Interview: The Letters and Notes of Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy. “This special READERS EDITION of ALIEN INTERVIEW [emphasis in original] contains only the original Letters, the personal Notes written by Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy, and a copy of the U.S. Army Air Force Top Secret Official Interview Transcripts received by Matilda in 2007.”

Except, of course, it wasn’t the U.S. Army Air Force in 1947 but was, in fact, the U.S. Army Air Forces. True, a minor error, but one that suggests that the writer didn’t really understand the situation in 1947 and one that those in that branch of the military service would not have made.

And why would a top secret document be sent to a witness. She would have no need for it and would not have the capability to properly store it. But, then, since we don’t have that document, we don’t really know what was in it, how accurate it might be, or if it existed at all.

But then there is the Disclaimer. It removes all doubt about the authenticity of the book. I don’t know why more people haven’t paid attention to it. The Disclaimer said:

As far as the Editor of the book, “Alien Interview” is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. The Editor makes no claim to the factuality of the content, and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author actually ever existed. Although some of the dates, locations, persons and incidents described may be factual or based on fact, there is no evidence to authenticate that equally as many may be subjective contrivances of the author.

All of the information, notes and transcripts received by the Editor are contained in the complete, original form, as represented in the book. The Editor is no longer in possession of any original documents or copies of original documents from the author, i.e., Mrs. MacElroy.

Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth philosophies as the variety of these are too numerous to list, and bear too many fundamental similarities to be easily differentiated. Although the book discusses the origins of the universe, the time track of the physical universe, paranormal activities or immortal and/or extraterrestrial beings, “aliens” or “god”, it is in no way the intention of the Editor to represent, endorse, forward or assume the viewpoint of the author, any political doctrine, economic vested interest, scientific hypothesis, religious practice or philosophy, whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.

The notes and transcripts contained in the book, are solely and only based on the representations and documents provided by the author, the late Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy, unless otherwise specifically annotated by Footnotes in the Appendix of the book.

The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or conclusions made by the reader based on the material in this book, which are solely and only the responsibility of the reader.

What is true for you, is true for you.

Lawrence R. Spencer – Editor

I’m not sure if I need to say that Spencer wrote that he had none of the documentation that was sent to him. He says that he no longer has possession of it which means that we can’t independently test any of it. We have only his word that those documents ever existed but with so many flaws in the story, it seems unlikely that they ever did. In fact, at one point he says that he can’t even prove that MacElroy existed and that he only spoke with her one time, on the telephone, for about twenty minutes. Certainly not a ringing endorsement for the validity of the tale.

In what should have been, and should be nearly the first thing said about the book, Spencer wrote, “As far as the Editor of the book, “Alien Interview” is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction.”

At that point, I have to ask, “Why should we treat it any differently?” He said it is a work of fiction and with that disclaimer, we should have no further reason for discussing the book in a forum about UFOs. He said he had none of the documentation and he couldn’t prove that MacElroy ever lived. The book belongs in the realm of science fiction, not very good science fiction, but science fiction nonetheless. All questions about the importance of the book and the authenticity of the information have been answered. It is a work of fiction. End of discussion.


Louis Nicholson said...

It's all baloney. Case closed.

RRRGroup said...


Another splendid work of investigation by you.


Fendrich said...

The forward reads like a junk insurance policy. This should be funny to listen to

Unknown said...

I listened to the book and was not aware of the forward commentary. The content is what tipped me off that it was fiction. Mr. Spencer obviously knows very little about science.

Jon Thorne said...

I believe that our government believes it. Ttsa, tom delonge, look at who he is in association with. Now look at angels And airwaves waves we dont have to whisper albulm cover, it looks exactly like the electronic force screen. Also, a defector of ttsa has said delonge was pushing a scientologist fantasy. Hal putoff was into scientology. This book sounds exactly like scientology. Also, remote viewing has been proven real. That alone gives this book some validation. All we can do is compare what has been said to reality.... what with children remembering past lives, this seems more believable all the time.

Jon Thorne said...

I believe that this is what our government believes. Ttsa is at the forefront of disclosure. Look at delonges album cover we dont have to whisper. Looks exactly like force screen surrounding earth. There's other things too. A ttsa defector claimed they were pushing a scientologist fantasy, this story sounds very much like the whole lord xenu thing. Also remote viewing has been proven real. That validates much of this story. I'm just gonna say it, I believe it too. Much more believeable than any of the religions anyway.

Unknown said...

Your investigation about this particular matter has holes in it, not very good investigative reporting.

1. No where, has the photo been confirmed it was of Matilda. Lawrence R Spencer (deceased) the editor of the Alien Interview book, has not claimed this photo is of Matilda.

2. If you did read the book, Matilda clearly states she was enlisted in the U.S. Women's Army Air Force (WAC) Medical Corp, which was a part of the US Army back then.

3. The rank of Senior Master Sergeant was required for her minimum security clearance. The pay grades match as mentioned by Matilda for the years of 1943-45, so perhaps they didn't change for 1947? The WAC had Master Sergeant rank in 43-45, so it could have been the next rank available to get her security clearance. She was enlisted, not an Officer.

4. You are using totally irrelevant Air Force information.

5. Why would Cavitt confirm Matilda's existence? She was given a new identity and didn't exist as far as they were concerned. Cavitt would be going against all security protocol saying she in fact existed and it would blow the lid off all the denials that anything at Roswell happened.

6. She wasn't employed or assigned as a driver, she was a nurse. They needed a nurse or thought they did to offer aid to survivors. "When the news that there had been a crash was received at the base, I was asked to accompany Mr. Cavitt, the Counter Intelligence Officer, to the crash site as the driver of his vehicle, and to render any needed emergency medical assistance to any survivors, if necessary."

7. If you want to get pedantic about text, you obviously didn't copy the text correctly, "and a copy of the U.S. Army Air Force Top Secret Official Interview Transcripts received by Matilda in 2007.' It is 'received FROM' not 'by'.

8. You obviously haven't read the book. The documents were NOT sent to Matilda. They were retained by her all this time since 1947. You can do a pdf search of the book regarding that for yourself. Hint - towards the end.

9. Spencer had to claim fiction, as he can't prove anything happened at Roswell. He can't prove anything about Matilda or the documents. If you read the Readers edition, you would have also read that Mr and Mrs MacElroy were confirmed as previously living in a double story flat they rented in Navan Ireland by the landlord. The home exists. Their remains are in the local Cemetery.

10. What any of us believe or not makes little difference. Something happened near Roswell in July 1947. What that was is now history. Perhaps one day the true story will be told about the supposed 'weather balloon' event.

KRandle said...

Unknown -

Another person hiding behind a keyboard...

The author said it was a work of fiction... he disguised it as fact to generate interest.

There is no evidence that any such person as Matilda existed, there are too many things wrong with the tale and it merely obscured what is important. We don't need fake witnesses cluttering up the landscape. Believe if you want, but this tale is untrue.

Unknown said...

I agree with you. The book can only be classified as 'fiction'. The only facts could be that Mr Spencer received a package, supposedly from someone called Matilda, but as he suggests he burnt everything, that is dubious also. There are a couple of what seem to be original pages from Matilda's letter floating around the net, not the actual transcripts originals. Spencer could have done himself a favor and kept some images of the package he received and all documents. Maybe he did? They might surface or may not.

I was merely pointing out some areas of consideration regarding your methods of reaching the conclusion you have. There is evidence to suggest otherwise, which I have offered up for readers.

As neither you, nor me, nor any reader of the material these days was there at the time, we can't offer any judgement as to what is right or not. We simply don't know. If the happens to be true, then it provides something to consider. The reader can make their own judgement if it makes sense or not. Proving anything is almost impossible.

As I mentioned in my last paragraph. Something happened at Roswell in 1947, just what that was exactly may never be revealed.

Brandon Hurd said...

At first I was fascinated and I believed the story could be true. I certainly do believe that a non-human intelligence does exist. Anyway, I read the book twice and on the second reading I discovered the following inconsistency...

In the 2nd paragraph of chapter 11, the Alien supposedly says, on the 29th of July 1947, the following to the Nurse, Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy: "Can you imagine how much progress could have been made on Earth if people like Johannes Gutenberg, Sir Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington Carver, Nicola Tesla, Richard Trevithick, Jonas Salk and many thousands of similar geniuses and inventors were living today?"

Jonas Salk was not yet famous in 1947. He was alive, yet he only became famous in 1955. So it makes no sense at all for the statement to have been made in 1947. I believe it's a simple mistake by the author of those words, who was not the Nurse, Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy but most likely, Lawrence Spencer.

Brandon Hurd