In the second interview
inspired by Christopher Mellon’s “leaked” email that mentioned the Kingman UFO
crash of 1973, I talked with David Rudiak about some of the rabbit holes he had
gone down in his research of Kingman. While searching newspaper files about the
case, he found people disappearing out of jail cells and others disappearing in
an ambulance being followed by the sheriff. You can hear the interview here:
What David found, was
information on three UFO crashes in the Kingman area in a short period of time,
including the one revealed by Arthur Stansel. You can read my longer analysis
of the Stansel’s tale here:
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2024/08/the-kingman-ufo-crash-connumdrum.html
According to Rudiak,
the newspapers in the area do report on some of these events and he created web
pages for those interested in following up on these tales. You can see them
here:
http://www.roswellproof.com/kingman_main.html
http://www.roswellproof.com/Kingman_1950_Newspapers.html
There were mass
sightings in the Kingman area, and by area, I mean southern Nevada and western
California as well. There were many sightings of strange craft there starting
in 1950. You can read more about this here:
http://www.roswellproof.com/UFO_CalNev_1950.html
Kingman, Arizona, photo by Kevin Randle
Our discussion showed
how an investigation can be conducted from home using the incredible resources
of the Internet. An investigation in the past might have required trips to
libraries and towns and the searches of newspaper morgues. Today, many of those
resources are available online.
Let me say here that on
site investigations can result in a better understanding of the event and
sometimes reveal a solution that no amount of online research can provide. But
a great deal can be learned on line.
I will note here the
importance of this particular research. As mentioned, it was Mellon who started
this latest research with the email that suggested the May 1953 Kingman crash
was something real. But the evidence (including research I had conducted years
ago) does not hold up. Stansel, who originated the tale is not the credible
source he has been made out to be. If Mellon and his pals were truly on the
inside, you would expect them to know this. Apparently, they do not.
Read the Kingman UFO Conundrum, linked above for a good overview. There will be more to follow on this story and how it affects the latest UFO, or should I say UAP, fad.
6 comments:
What I was doing was trying to verify some of the claims of Kingman researcher Harry Drew (who recently died, according to Richard Dolan and Michael Schratt, who were discussing Kingman on a recent Dolan podcast).
Drew was the one claiming there were, not one, but three Kingman crashes within a week's period, from May 18 to May 24, 1953. Drew apparently relied on Arthur Stansel's testimony, which Kevin has skeptically written about.
But Drew also says he relied heavily on the last surviving member of a USAF recovery team out of Nellis AFB near Las Vegas. This person is not named. Drew also said he got Kingman "old-timers" to talk to him and searched halls of records and newspapers looking for documentation. I personally haven't seen any of this.
More recently, Drew claimed he had evidence of yet another Kingman crash from around June 21, 1950.
But Drew did tell 2 stories he said were covered in the front page of the Kingman newspaper, Mohave County Miner (MCM), one for the alleged May 24, 1953 crash, which he said started a forest fire on Hualapai Peak southeast of Kingman, the other for a similar event for around June 20, 1950, which started another forest fire near the same point on Haulapai Peak.
Besides the forest fires, he said both events involved strange men near the fires who mysteriously disappeared when brought back to Kingman. In the 1953 event, two men were suspected of arson and brought back to a very secure holding cell under the courthouse, from which they vanished. In the 1950 event, it was three badly burned men, who were picked up by the local National Guard commander, taken to the Kingman hospital where an ambulance seemed to be waiting for them, were transferred to the ambulance, and then the ambulance, burned men, and ambulance crew were never seen again. This latter story Drew said was widely covered in the newspapers.
So what I was doing was trying to verify these stories of disappearing men, which Drew said were covered in the MCM. I was able to find the front page of the MCM for June 22, 1950, on Google News, which did indeed have the strange disappearing burned men/ambulance story. In addition, by searching Newspapers.com, I was able to verify that numerous newspapers did indeed carry the story of the large forest fire and vanishing men/ambulance. For 1953, I haven't found any online copies of the MCM, and searching other newspapers have yet to find anything at all about another forest fire and 2 men vanishing into thin air at the jail. It doesn't mean the story doesn't exist--I just don't have access to the MCM yet to check it out.
For 1950, the stories only say that the cause of the forest fire was not known, with no indication of anyone actually seeing something crash into the mountain as Drew claims. For 1950, it's clear Drew was right that the story was real and widely covered, but we don't know if it is true (may be only a single witness account), and from the newspapers don't verify that a crash caused the fire.
To see the 1950 newspaper accounts I found, I threw up a website: roswellproof.com/kingman_1950_newspapers.html
And there was a LOT of strange UFO activity at the time, including several mass sightings. roswellproof.com/UFO_CalNev_1950.html
Kevin wrote:
As mentioned, it was Mellon who started this latest research with the email that suggested the May 1953 Kingman crash was something real. But the evidence (including research I had conducted years ago) does not hold up. Stansel, who originated the tale is not the credible source he has been made out to be. If Mellon and his pals were truly on the inside, you would expect them to know this. Apparently, they do not.
This is assuming that Mellon and his anonymous email source were basing the reality of the Kingman crash solely on Stansel's testimony. We don't know what it's based on. Could be something else entirely, such as official documentation.
Excellent podcast... I hadn't really taken too much notice of the Kingman event/events.
It always seemed a bit sketchy, but the links David recently put up have put a different slant on it, for me.
I totally get it that Arthur Stansel comes over as a raving nutter in his remote viewing Q&A that Kevin mentioned in last months article, "The Kingman UFO Crash Connumdrum".
Yet, this wouldn't be the first time someone has had an interesting story to tell only to later, seemingly, de-railed their own credibility by coming up with something totally bonkers. David Icke was doing some interesting talks on 911 and then, out of a clear blue sky, was talking about The Queen Mother transforming into a lizard...
If that's not hurtful for your "rep" then I don't know what is.
All I'd say is "don't throw out the baby with the bath water".
Lazar mentioned that in the days before he got to work on the saucer at S4 he was given a brief that, of all things, included the origins of AIDS and that the cure could be found through some sea cucumber only found in the waters around China! This, of course, totally goes against the idea of compartmentalisation of the information. (Why would someone drafted in to focus on the propulsion system of a flying saucer have a "need to know" about AIDS) Well...it'd be useful to put nonsense like that into the mind of someone you fear could one day be a whistleblower...and that might have happened to Stansil
Just a note about the link to a June 24th article mentioning a UFO leaving a spiral trail. In the article it's said that "Had this been the mid- to late 1950's, the U-2 spy plane might have been a possible explanation. The supersonic U-2 flew at high altitudes above 70,000 feet at speeds up to 1400 mph." Actually, the U-2 was a subsonic aircraft, it could never reach that speed. It's maximum speed was 475 mph.
For anybody still paying attention, I have just obtained the rest of the Kingman "Mohave County Miner" story of the missing burned men and ambulance. Basically says the sheriff quickly threw up road blocks around town and called all nearby hospitals to see if any burned men had checked in. The Kingman hospital denied treating anybody. The ambulance was last seen heading east. Unfortunately, nothing really new or insightful to add to the story.
Also added follow-up stories from the paper from a week and a month later. A quick summary: the sheriff's office reported "no trace" of the men/ambulance had been found after a week, and a month later after a "very complete investigation," no cause of the fire had been determined, though it was suspected it was "man-caused".
www.roswellproof.com/Kingman_1950_Newspapers.html
I found a few other odd-ball stories (not published). Kingman had been plunged into darkness because somebody had shot out a power line from Hoover dam. It was announced that an extremely rare radioactive element had been found near Kingman (but apparently in the desert a few miles south of Kingman, not in the mountains where the fire broke out). Does any of this have anything to do with the mysterious vanishing men and ambulance? Probably not, but still worth noting just for the record.
jlmet wrote:
"Just a note about the link to a June 24th article mentioning a UFO leaving a spiral trail. In the article it's said that "Had this been the mid- to late 1950's, the U-2 spy plane might have been a possible explanation. The supersonic U-2 flew at high altitudes above 70,000 feet at speeds up to 1400 mph." Actually, the U-2 was a subsonic aircraft, it could never reach that speed. It's maximum speed was 475 mph."
I stand corrected. I think I was going from memory of what I thought I read about the U-2 many years ago. I'll fix the mistake soon.
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