The Last of the Gilles/Randle Debate

Quick note... This is the last of this argument because, as I say at the end, Gilles refuses to listen, rejects facts and endorses unverified testimony.

Greetings Kevin (Galileo, I suppose?)

I made you "Chess and Mat", whatever your new post concerning the question I previously adressed to you.

You didn’t have Check and Mate, except in your own mind. And what about the questions that I asked you? You seemed to have missed those.

Tom Carey, center, on the Debris Field. Please note the terrain.

It is the same concerning "the flakes" question:Read Sunlitle 4-4.

Same when I'm correcting you regarding fight#5,then #4...

Same as Mann reusing the tape,

Same as you not presenting Dubose's statments in Pflock's book to your readers...

Well, let’s see… you ask questions but refuse to answer mine. This should be a two-way street, not just one in which you stand on the corner and shout insults.

I am truly sorry that you are incapable of understanding my responses. I tell you again, Flight #4 was cancelled. There was a cluster of balloons launched later in the day, but the documentation in various reports, all available thanks to the Air Force in their big book about Roswell confirm this. We learn what these clusters were and they were not numbered Mogul flights. Charles Moore said that Flight #4 was configured the same way as #5, and that it performed as well as #5, if not better. That makes no sense, since there was no data recovered because it was cancelled… and if it was cancelled, then it couldn’t have dropped debris on the ranch. How hard is that to understand?

I have explained to you that in the early 1980s, Johnny Mann believed the important case was the Pascagoula abduction and saved the raw footage. However, the tape of Marcel that was used in the broadcast was SAVED, and he was quite clear on what he had seen and his conclusions based on those observations. So, your point is misleading… and I remind you that Mann said that at the time of the interviews Pascagoula was more important than Roswell because Roswell had not been fully investigated. I now expect you to take that statement out of context, since that seems to be your technique… He told me that reusing the raw footage tape had been a mistake. Get it? Given the timing and the situation when he conducted those interviews, the world vision was different than it is today.

I did not use Shandera’s statements as published in Karl’s book because that information had been debunked. Shandera did not record his interview, nor did he take notes. If you know otherwise, please provide links to that evidence. Please note this is the same situation in which I found myself with Mann. You reject it because of no taped interviews. Why do you accept Shandera’s claims, which have been contradicted by several others but reject Mann’s, which in the larger context is, more or less irrelevant.

We have Dubose on tape; he told others that the material was switched. What you probably don’t know, and probably will not care about, is that Shandera and Bill Moore were touted their new witness, J. Bond Johnson, who took six of the photos in Ramey’s office. Although they interviewed Johnson, it was after I had located him and conducted two or three hours of interviews all on tape. Johnson told me, that the material in Ramey’s office was a weather balloon… but, after Shandera and Moore interviewed him, the story changed and the debris in the pictures was the real stuff and because of that, they needed Dubose to say that it hadn’t been switched. Given all that, and that I had tapes of Johnson saying six or seven times that the stuff was the weather balloon, they needed Dubose to change his story. So, all we have is Shandra’s statement, without benefit of tape saying the opposite. Since I know that the information is invalid, I saw no reason to confuse the issue with it.

I did notice that you didn’t bother reading Dubose’s affidavit about what transpired in Ramey’s office, which, by the way, confirms my version of events in Ramey’s office suggesting that it was not the real stuff. So, why don’t you mention the affidavit? Isn’t that more egregious than me not bothering to repeat the lies you are so fond of in Karl’s book? Shandera has nothing and I have Dubose’s affidavit (not to mention the tapes and other witnesses again) … Aren’t you obligated to mention all that?

How do you make the decision about what to believe? You reject Johnny Mann because I didn’t tape the interview but you accept Jaime Shandera’s claim, which were not taped. Double standard.

Don Schmitt and me on the Impact Site closer to Roswell. Please note the
difference in the terrain. If there were two site, then Mogul is eliminated.

Well, if a Alien (ET) crash in Roswell is still your Cup of Tea. Your belief is yours, the facts NOT.

My true belief is that there is currently no viable explanation for the material recovered by Brazel on the ranch, nor the evidence that was found on the second site. I have said that it does not take us directly to the extraterrestrial and I would like some additional evidence. I’m just not going to push a balloon explanation when the documentation, testimonies and other evidence argue against it.

You also wrote: "the experts claimed something but we later learned they had it wrong". And you are comparing you to Galilleo!

This is absolute bullshit… I was suggesting only that once rigidly held beliefs were changed when new and better information was found. I could use several other examples and I thought the mention of the Coelacanth would have demonstrated that. When the first was caught in 1938, the majority of the scientists rejected it because everyone knew the Coelacanth had been extinct for 75 million years… when a second was caught, they began to realize that they still existed and the tone of the argument changed.

Or you could tell me that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a huge meteor impact and you could point to some scientific evidence for that. However, new information tells us that some dinosaurs survived that catastrophe and evolved into birds. Just shows that scientific thought evolves and only those with closed minds reject new information when it becomes available. This is apparently a concept that confuses you.

Excepted you are one of the "past" expert, here.

I'm very sad how you have turned, but cause Roswell you have so time and ressource devoted: it is normal when chess and mat, you are summoning special card "Galileo"

I’m am very sad that you are unable to grasp simple facts, that you reject evidence that doesn’t fit your narrative without evidence to back up that rejection and that you often resort to insults… Oh, and you never answer any questions, just throw out more nonsense.

BTW: I am concluding this conversation at this point because it is a waste of time with someone who simply can’t understand the facts. I have provided accurate information, notes on sources, and documentation but you rely on debunked material, misconceptions about events in Roswell and Alamogordo, and change facts to suit your narrative. And as Mark Cuban would say, “For those reasons I bow out of this conversation.”