Tuesday, April 02, 2019

Time Traveling Aliens and Dr. Michael Masters


Dr. Michael Masters*, author of Identified Flying Objects, has proposed that the occupants of those UFOs are time travelers. I mention this for a couple of reasons. First, it is my favorite theory which is not to say that it is the most likely explanation. Time travel is a fun subject, with all the contradictions in it. Robert Charles Cornett and I wrote three science fiction books using time travel as a basis, beginning with Remember the Alamo in which a group of modern soldiers, using modern weapons, are transported back in time to the Battle of the Alamo. Think Force Multiplier here. Machine guns against muskets.

Masters suggests in his book that given the majority of the descriptions of the alien creatures are humanoid, meaning two arms, two legs, two eyes and one head,
Dr. Michael Masters and a few of his ancient pals.
there must be a connection to Earth. I extrapolate from here that he is looking at the next evolutionary stage of the human and therefore the beings are from Earth. They are from our far future, using time travel so that they can study us as we have been studying the ancient people. They just have a better tool than we do because they can see us in action rather than guessing how we lived based on the material left behind
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The second point is to announce that Dr. Masters will be appearing on my radio show A Different Perspective on the X-Zone Broadcast Network on April 10. For those who are unable to catch the program at that time, it will be available on line later in the day. As soon as the link is available, I’ll get it posted.

Although we’ve touched on the time travel aspect of the UFO phenomenon in the past, this will be the first time that it will be the focus of the discussion. Should be a lot of fun for everyone.

*For the record here and so that I don’t surprise anyone, I keep wanting to call him Tom McMasters. I don’t know why**, but I do know he is Dr. Michael Masters. Just thought I would mention it.

Though looking at his email address which is MMaster…, that might be the reason for the McMasters, but no reason for the Tom.

16 comments:

Gal220 said...

Its a great movie plot device, but is it science or science fiction? Amazing(perhaps ridiculous) to think all the matter that makes up now is able to exist at all points in time.

Unknown said...

Totally acceptable explanation.sighted by us but are not affected by our confining "Laws of Nature" we cannot just pretend they don't exist.

starman said...

We know that exoplanets exist in great numbers, some within stellar ecospheres, and that space travel is possible. In contrast, time travel is unverified and probably fanciful, since the past doesn't exist anymore. The ETH is far and away the most likely hypothesis.
Even if time travel were possible, a humanoid appearance is not evidence for an earthly origin. Given many examples of convergent evolution, as unrelated organisms evolve in similar ways in similar environments, and the likelihood that only earthlike planets are habitable, humanoid ETs are reasonable if not most likely.

Unknown said...

UFOs Won't Go Away | Issues in Science and Technology

https://issues.org/ufos-wont-go-away/

Moonman said...

I have not read the author's book, but heard him on another podcast. He seems to NOT accept interstellar travel even in his distant future where he proposes they have developed time travel. It strikes me as a strange discontinuity in capabilities. Time is a lot harder than space to deal with.

In fact, doesn't time travel demand space travel? Maybe I am missing something, but if you only jumped 1 minute into the past, the Earth will have rotated/spun and translated in its orbit, the solar system moved in the galaxy, the galaxy moved,. etc, etc. So, most likely, you will be in space after your time travel, so need to have developed substantial space travel to deal with it.

The other thing that bothers me about time travel is the virus/bacteria transfer. Do we want them to bring us their microorganisms? According to him in the podcast he featured in, he says that Time somehow is self correcting so you can't accidentally kill you parents of something or destroy the Earth with future organisms (or whatever). This seems a big pill to swallow to be enthusiastic about his idea.

Moonman said...

I agree with starman about the humanoid assumption. The author/Masters is an anthropologist and is basing the time travel hypothesis mainly on his opinion of the unlikelihood of humanoid looking aliens. But he apparently does not consider the possibility of some gobbledygook looking alien using some sort of advanced tech to look humanoid rather than send innocent humans running in terror (e.g. Contact). Or rather than aliens, it is more likely some sort of machines that reconfigure to look human-like. Or even memory masks induced on the witnesses.

If you got aliens/ETs a thousand years or more in advance, you really are unlimited in the potential. Time travel seems a last resort.

Byron Weber said...

Time traveling aliens is also one of my favorite explanations. And it is not as unlikely as we are led to believe. Physicists from Einstein to Sean Carroll have professed their belief that time is an illusion that emerges from entropy. In 1944 Schrodinger (Noble Prize for the quantum wave equation) wrote, "What is Life?" in which he discussed negentropy (negative entropy). If it exists, while in such a state, past, present and future would be persistent and the illusion of time would not emerge. Recent rigorous and repeated experiments suggest such a condition may exist in the vacuum of space in which electrons were measured, under certain conditions, to recover order, a wave form named quantum scarring, from a thermal entropy state. I'd guess an advanced alien civilization might have figured that out. Nonetheless, a fun idea.

starman said...

@Moonman:

Why does Masters consider humanoid looking aliens unlikely? Humans evolved here, under conditions assumed to be essential for life anywhere. Did any other bauplan ever come close to filling our current niche?
It is almost certainly true, though, that most UFO humanoids are not genuine in the sense of being naturally evolved. Reported insectoid, octopoid etc entities fall into this category; even grays may be engineered. One book, THE ALIEN PLAN FOR EARTH, portrays most aliens as artificial creations to fulfill specific roles, and goes into detail as to what types are engineered for what missions.

George Kanakaris said...

At last a good book on the topic.Masters has a point about why aliens look like us.I think Jacques Vallee will like his way of thinking.

Brian B said...

Moonman is correct when he says time travel (backwards to the past) is more difficult than dealing with superluminal space travel.

Everyone here, including Professor Masters, is ignoring Einstein’s principles of General Relativity.

General Relativity — in a mathematical sense — allows for superluminal space travel based on our modern understanding of gravity relative to space-time. Most prominent physicists will confirm this. Our problem today is how to actually create enough energy within a single vehicle to bend space-time to avoid the mass-speed-energy issues in E=MC2.

Although many physicists have their doubts, the concept of tapping Zero Point Energy (ZPE) would be the solution. Despite skepticism, extracting ZPE has been explored in-depth by past and current physicists (including Tesla, Cole, Putoff, Forward and others). Although science still questions this, mathematics demonstrates it’s a possibility.

In other words, quantum physics allows for the possibility of creating over unity drives that extract enough energy to warp space-time (without violating any laws of thermodynamics or E=MC2). In principle this overcomes all of Einstein’s issues with achieving superluminal space flight while still preserving the laws of science. If possible, the crews of these UFOs would be able to travel across the galaxy in a matter of days, weeks, or months and still return to their point of origin without the loss of time as currently explained by Einstein. They’d be preserved in a time bubble relative to the point of their departure.

On the other hand, time travel is far more complex. E=MC2 only allows for future (forward) time travel, but it doesn’t permit backwards travel. All mainstream physicists, including open minded ones, will tell you this. The math doesn’t work out.

Professor Masters is clearly aware of this in his own explanation, but then he goes on to ignore physics (the science of his own profession) by assuming humans in the future have overcome these issues. It’s just a wild assumption not grounded in fact.

That’s where his theory falls apart.

Even if he were oddly correct, there’s no reason to assume humans of the future will have regressed into becoming 4 foot tall, hairless, grey lizard skinned, genderless creatures. If anything current science indicates humans are genetically getting taller or “bigger” than their ancient predecessors while all of our biological traits remain necessary. Nothing suggests we’re evolving into “alien greys”. Nothing.

If Professor Masters really wants time travel, he’d be better off suggesting these UFOs and their occupants came from our distant past. That idea is at least grounded in current science and E=MC2. It’s only possible to move forward into time.

If that were the case, science tells us these time traveling creatures would never be able to go back to their past point of origin. They’d be stuck in the present. The only way out of this dilemma is to continue propelling themselves forward into time which makes Professor Master’s entire suggestion implausible. What society is repeatedly going to send future traveling “time-nauts” on a one-way mission? They’d never return to debrief anyone on what they saw even if they were artificial lifeforms.

Once again this is just another weird and speculative fringe theory that ignores known science. It’s nothing new. We’ve heard it all before. I’d bet Professor Masters is the laughing stock of his academic colleagues.

George Kanakaris said...

Brian B said...'That’s where his theory falls apart.'
No, because you are thinking like someone in the 21st century.
Who knows what will be possible in a few thousand or a few million years.

Moonman said...

Brian B said..."Professor Masters is clearly aware of this in his own explanation, but then he goes on to ignore physics (the science of his own profession) by assuming humans in the future have overcome these issues. It’s just a wild assumption not grounded in fact."

I never heard or read anywhere that Dr. Masters has a PhD in Physics. See his expertise.
https://www.mtech.edu/clsps/arts-sciences/faculty/michael-masters.html

He seems to be an anthropologist. So we can grant he has expertise in this discipline. But what I will not grant him is that he has some expertise in any field of physics. In fact, we unwashed masses can have the equivalent expertise he does in this area if we gave a damn and applied ourselves rather than sit back and listen to the "experts" for entertainment.

Now, his book sounds interesting, but it kind of suffers from a big problem in that it has no coauthor. If he wanted to make a good point how there should be multidisciplinary work on the topic, he should have had at least one other person as coauthor in another discipline to illustrate how great this is. Hopefully his book has participation of other discipline experts, perhaps writing specific chapters, but I am not sanguine about this. From hearing him talk in one show, it is all his opinion ("expertise") and he likely just studied himself by trying to read and figure out tech papers.

This raises a issue I have about people with a degree in one field somehow trying to use it to show they have a valid opinion/expertise in another field. Just because an engineer has a degree in engineering, does this mean he can write a technical paper about archaeology or planetary science or time travel? Well, he could but it doesn't hold much water. You need involvement with subject matter experts. Other disciplines can come up with ideas, but they need interaction and help of the subject discipline.

Byron Weber said...

Brian B wrote, "E=MC2 only allows for future (forward) time travel, but it doesn't permit backward travel." is not exactly correct. That is a simplified conventional explanation. For Einstein's birthday while he and Kurt Godel were at Princeton, Godel presented Einstein with a solution to his relativistic equations that indicated closed time-like gravitational curves are possible. i.e., travel to the past.

Brian B said...

@ Byron Weber

Yes I'm aware of "time-like gravitational curves", and indeed most physicists believe that if he lived longer Einstein's next iteration of E=MC2 would focus mainly on gravity. I believe you're speaking to the possibility of warping time to such a high degree that it actually folds upon itself, resulting in a time loop.

But according to present research, most physicists now believe its impossible to travel backwards in time despite gravity's bending of space-time. Yes many articles suggest that Einstein's theory "mathematically" allows for travel to the past, but according to newer discussions the exotic particle matter necessary to do this is non-existent or unobtainable. Its not so much a technology problem (although still unattainable to us) as much as a problem associated with finding exotic matter that doesn't exist in nature.

If it were mathematically possible some scientists have optimistically suggested we find a way to defy nature by:

1) Punching a hole in a space-time fold and then travel from one side to the other;

2) Finding a worm hole that we can somehow manipulate and travel through to the other side;

3) Travelling zillions upon zillions of years across space-time so we end up looping around a curve (that we can detect) and hence end up in the past;

4) Manipulating a black hole so that it becomes a worm hole without getting crushed;

5) Finding strings of quantum matter that are close enough to each other that they might be creating a warp in space-time and then travel on these strings;

All of these constructs are referred to as “time-machines" that allow for travel on closed time-like curves or CTCs. However they are fictional scenarios that conceive possible ways to manipulate space-time despite the lack of physical matter (exotic matter) and energy to accomplish it.

Over the past few decades well-known physicists like Thorne and Hawking produced seminal work on models related to time machines and CTCs.

The general conclusion that has emerged from previous research, including Thorne’s and Hawking’s, is that nature forbids time loops, even though mathematically they could exist.

This is perhaps best explained in Hawking’s “Chronology Protection Conjecture,” which essentially says that nature doesn’t allow for changes to its past history, thus sparing us from the paradoxes that can emerge if time travel to the past were possible such as "the grandfather paradox".

Depending on the details, different physical phenomena may intervene to prevent closed time-like curves from developing in physical systems. The most common is the requirement for a particular type of exotic matter that must be present in order for a time loop to exist. Loosely speaking, exotic matter is matter that has negative mass. The problem is negative mass is not known to exist in nature.

So, unfortunately a time machine to the past is not going to be available anytime soon if ever. Physicists may have to refine their ideas about why closed time-like curves are forbidden.

Brian B said...

@ Byron Weber

Yes I'm aware of "time-like gravitational curves", and indeed most physicists believe that if he lived longer Einstein's next iteration of E=MC2 would focus mainly on gravity. I believe you're speaking to the possibility of warping time to such a high degree that it actually folds upon itself, resulting in a time loop.

But according to present research, most physicists now believe its impossible to travel backwards in time despite gravity's bending of space-time. Yes many articles suggest that Einstein's theory "mathematically" allows for travel to the past, but according to newer discussions the exotic particle matter necessary to do this is non-existent or unobtainable. Its not so much a technology problem (although still unattainable to us) as much as a problem associated with finding exotic matter that doesn't exist in nature.

If it were mathematically possible some scientists have optimistically suggested we find a way to defy nature by:

1) Punching a hole in a space-time fold and then travel from one side to the other;

2) Finding a worm hole that we can somehow manipulate and travel through to the other side;

3) Travelling zillions upon zillions of years across space-time so we end up looping around a curve (that we can detect) and hence end up in the past;

4) Manipulating a black hole so that it becomes a worm hole without getting crushed;

5) Finding strings of quantum matter that are close enough to each other that they might be creating a warp in space-time and then travel on these strings;

All of these constructs are referred to as “time-machines" that allow for travel on closed time-like curves or CTCs. However they are fictional scenarios that conceive possible ways to manipulate space-time despite the lack of physical matter (exotic matter) and energy to accomplish it.

Over the past few decades well-known physicists like Thorne and Hawking produced seminal work on models related to time machines and CTCs.

The general conclusion that has emerged from previous research, including Thorne’s and Hawking’s, is that nature forbids time loops, even though mathematically they could exist.

This is perhaps best explained in Hawking’s “Chronology Protection Conjecture,” which essentially says that nature doesn’t allow for changes to its past history, thus sparing us from the paradoxes that can emerge if time travel to the past were possible such as "the grandfather paradox".

Depending on the details, different physical phenomena may intervene to prevent closed time-like curves from developing in physical systems. The most common is the requirement for a particular type of exotic matter that must be present in order for a time loop to exist. Loosely speaking, exotic matter is matter that has negative mass. The problem is negative mass is not known to exist in nature.

So, unfortunately a time machine to the past is not going to be available anytime soon if ever. Physicists may have to refine their ideas about why closed time-like curves are forbidden.

Unknown said...

Gentlemen, fine comments. There is both contradictory and complementary anecdotal observation and opinion of this. Ben Rich, "all points in space and time are connected, that's how it works (interstellar propulsion). Phil Corso, Jr., "they (Roswell EBEs) were a gift from the future. Trust me, you don't need to know about time travel. We are not ready for it."

I have been involved in some of these investigations for three letter agencies, and in a nutshell, the issues are not ones of distance but time, particularly creating a shell of local spacetime and insertion. So, while technically this is time travel that ET and now the human SSP manipulate, it is that bubble of isolation of time locality that is what is occurring. There is a good video by David Sereda about propulsion systems worth watching. In essence, you need to create a small black hole to do all five things the Brian B postulates but has not been privy to but is eluded by the energy requirements because he is also thinking in terms of matter as mass as electrons and protons. The ability to transition mass into photons negating the enormous energy requirements is what I have seen briefed on these technologies. This is what the balls of plasma that were observed as Foo Fighters and over the crop circles (ET synthesized ones, of course). Anyway, my understanding is the CTC/CPC paradox is avoided in these localized manipulations. You guys are probably smarter than me, but I was privy to some things.


Regarding, Masters and the engineered back to the future, ET hypothesis, it is my understanding with high probability, there is a degree of yes and no. Earth is in a "newer" part of the Milky Way and we could be visited from much older civilizations who are manipulating human DNA (this is to my knowledge a fact, anyway). Is the little Grey EBE from our future or was it engineered for time and space travel to manipulate DNA (Factually engineered as no mean of reproduction but by a future human species, I do not know)? Much more likely than the whole phenomena is very complex. ET coming from the multiple species within the humanoid form, traveling through worm holes with teleportation using advanced control of local space time, with some species cloning and manipulating life forms for specific function, task, and culpability of planetary interaction. Then bring in the whole entropy and unified consciousness of the universe, including signal non-locality/Bell's Theorem and all advanced physical species are connected from a future connection advancing the love motivated definition THROUGH time.

As mentioned understanding the entropy or concept of negative entropy is ultimately the key to purpose of any interactions. What is the intention of any advanced specie through contact? There has to be a goal of contact and manipulation of humans, so that the species is helped to evolve in such a way that is benevolent or, of course, there is possibility of malintent and we are being bred with the idea that hybridization meets the goal of the more advanced manipulator. Just sayin' but the point is Master is right that Darwin and natural selection/mutation does not explain our evolution but somewhat simplistic that ET is from our future.