By
happenstance, I came across a YouTube video that claimed an interview with a
woman who had been a surgical nurse in Roswell in 1947. The claim was that
Margaret Ellen Dodd had been tasked with taking pictures of the alien bodies
recovered. She said that she had been told to do this because, as a surgical
nurse, she wouldn’t be upset by the circumstances. It was in 1985 that she told
the story to an Albuquerque UFO researcher. It was the only time she talked
about those events. You can watch the video here, though I do hesitate to
provide the url… this really shouldn’t be rewarded, given the circumstances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veF9PaZ10wg
Well,
naturally, this caught my attention because in my decades of research, I had
never come across this nurse. I seemed to remember that Tom Carey might have
mentioned a nurse with that or a similar name, so I sent him an email. While I
waited for a response, I made what are the normal checks. She doesn’t appear in
the Yearbook created during the summer of 1947 by Walter Haut. She doesn’t
appear on the morning reports for that year. Anytime there is activity about a
soldier, joining the unit, leaving it, going on leave or returning from leave
or being unavailable for duty, that sort of thing, that soldier’s name, or in
this case, that nurse’s name would appear in the record. Hers did not.
| Tom Carey at the Roswell UFO Museum. |
She
was reported to be a lieutenant. This meant that she wasn’t a civilian that
somehow found herself with that strange assignment… not to mention wondering
why they would want a nurse to take the photographs. There was a complete photo
lab assigned to the base and if they needed a photographer, one of the men
assigned there would have been a better selection. Some of them had even photographed
the graphic remains of aircraft accidents.
I
hadn’t expected a return to my query quite as quickly as it came. Tom wrote
back reporting:
I
just spent an entire morning researching the names cited in your email below
and basically came up empty because: they're all most likely dead; their ages
are/were unknown at any point in time, which would have been a big help in any
search; and the alleged nurse's last name ["Dodd"] I assumed was her
maiden name but could have been her married name? I don't know.
Anyway,
here's what I did find out, which didn't lead me to a touchdown in the end. In
the '47 RAAF yearbook, there is a "Pfc. Willy Dodd" pictured in
"Squadron S," which is composed of all black airmen. Since the
alleged nurse Margaret Ellen Dodd was an officer, I assumed a relationship as
being unlikely.
More
interesting, however, was a listing in my photocopy of the '47 Roswell City
Directory for a "Harry Dodd" whose occupation was given as an
"orderly at Saint Mary's Hospital" in Roswell. Even though I had no
idea of his age, this was interesting enough to spur me to see if I could find
this fellow with my search engine using various age groupings. I also limited
my search engine to search just the states of NM and AZ for this fellow. To cut
to the chase, I could not find a connection of any of the names that resulted
with any combination of the nurse's possible names.
Finally,
I located an "M.E. Heid" in my copy of the 1993/1994 Roswell White
Pages, but according to you[r] email she passed away in 1991 in Tucson, AZ.
That
was basically what I had learned as well. No independent corroboration for this
tale. We are told in the video that the nurse only spoke with the Albuquerque
researcher once and never said anything else about it. According to the video,
she had died in 1991 at the age of 67.
However,
in video, it is claimed that the researcher produced a report but that was
eventually confiscated by the government when he died in 1993, also at 67. He
did make eleven copies of it and sent it out to various UFO researchers. I
wondered why Stan Friedman hadn’t been one of them. Had he had that report,
then his book, written with Don Berliner, would have carried the tale. It did
not.
In
fact, I wondered why none of those researchers ever stepped forward with their
copy. A document like that, created in 1985 before the case blew up in the
1990s would have been very valuable.
There
were other red flags, things that only those of us who had been researching the
case for decades would know. The hospital at the base, in 1947, wasn’t the
fancy brick structure that was created in the 1950s. It was a series of
buildings that housed the various specialties and functions. A nurse who had
been assigned there would have known that.
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| The last of the original base hospital buildings. The others are long gone. |
Tom
did one other thing. He sent a copy of my email to Tony Bragalia to see what he
could learn. He provided the following information from the content creator,
Contact Redacted, with the important points highlighted by Tony:
I've
always been fascinated by aliens, UFOs, classified reports, and the mysteries
surrounding them, including alleged abduction and contact accounts. On this
channel, we'll examine the evidence and explore what may have been lost,
erased, or kept hidden. Disclaimer: This channel features exploratory
interpretations and speculation about unexplained phenomena, presented
through investigative-style storytelling rather than established fact. The
perspectives and visual representations are dramatized or creatively
constructed for storytelling purposes. Some visuals may be generated, enhanced,
altered, or reconstructed using automated or generative artificial intelligence
tools to create a more immersive viewing experience. The content
presented here should not be considered factual and is intended solely for
commentary and entertainment.
This
then, should end any acceptance of the tale as real. The content creator tells
us that the content should not be considered factual. Apparently, those who
have posted comments to the video didn’t bother to check out his bio and see he
had created three other videos (as of this writing) in a similar vein.
This
should be the end of this. A story told for entertainment but not as a part of
the history of the Roswell case. But then I looked at the comments and was
further appalled by what some of those said. They were treating the story as if
real but adding to it. Glenn Dennis was mentioned several times, but Dennis
invented his connection to the Roswell crash and the story of a missing nurse.
Dennis had said that she had been killed in an aircraft accident that claimed
four other nurses.
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| Glenn Dennis in the mid-1990s. |
Back
in the early 1990s, both Don Berliner and I searched for evidence of that
aircraft accident. I won’t go into the details because I have reported on them
several times in books, articles and on this blog. There was no evidence of
such a crash.
The
point is that there seem to be many out there who still accept the Dennis tale
as accurate, though the truth has been available for decades. There are those
who tell us who Dennis’s nurse might be, mentioning real nurses who were in
Roswell in 1947, but that hasn’t panned out either. And when Vic Golubic
confronted Dennis about the name of the nurse Dennis had provided (Naomi Self,
or Selff), Dennis then said that wasn’t her real name. Golubic managed to
obtain a roster of some 125,000 nurses who had served in the Army but Naomi
Self didn’t appear on that massive roster.
Back
when Dennis first began telling the tale, told me that he had warned us that he
wasn’t going to give us the real name. But he never said that to me, nor did he
tell those others such as Karl Pflock and Philip Klass. Had Klass had the
information back in the early 1990s, he would have spread the information far
and wide. Now, confronted by the fact that we had actually proved a negative,
that no one by the name Naomi Self had been stationed at Roswell, he changed
the name. For me, the lie about her name
was the straw that broke the camel’s back. In 1997, in The Roswell Report,
I outlined all this, meaning that information has been available for three
decades. The Glenn Dennis lies just will not die.
I’m
stuck in an endless loop of trying to publish accurate information about the
Roswell case, but the false things we have been told and the witnesses who were
less than candid keep popping up. Dennis made up the tale. Now we have Contact
Redacted inventing a new one that is being immediately accepted as real.
Before
I sign off here, just let me say that anyone could have attempted to follow up
on this through sources available on the Internet. Anyone looking at it should
have seen the red flags… witnesses that are dead so they can’t be questioned,
names of people who weren’t in Roswell in 1947, a failure to understand
military protocol, and a failure to produce an alleged taped interview with one
of the witnesses or a copy of that original report that has eleven copies out
there, somewhere.
Sadly,
the easiest way to check this out was to click on the content creator’s name
that would have taken you to his website, where he tells you this is a story
that he invented. That should be the final line in this but Tom and I wanted to
drive a stake through the heart of the tale. I just can’t wait for the next
time someone cites this as important new information when all it does is
obscure the truth.



6 comments:
Kevin, this video came up on my YouTube feed as well. I was immediately skeptical and am of the opinion someone created/ fabricated this tale hoping people would associate it with the Glen Dennis story. Do you know if Dennis ever revealed the name of the nurse he said he had a relationship with? OR has anyone else with first hand knowledge revealed her name so she could be verified. Of note, I came across an old interview with Dennis in which he said he was told of an aircraft crash he did not state it as a firsthand fact. Hee did say he received return mail from her marked "deceased".
So she's just another Noami Self?
In public lectures recently, Don Schmitt has indicated Adeline Fanton was "the nurse" and the reason he didn't want to give her name was because he was having an affair with her at the time even though newly married. This was awkward and embarrassing because he was still married to the same woman 40 years later. It has been known for some time from other witnesses that Dennis had some sort of personal relationship with her. They were often seen together at the base. I have recently updated my website on this and have more on the various nurse candidates at:
www.roswellproof.com/dennis.html
There has also been some conjecture for some time that he made her a composite of several of the other medical people to help conceal her identity. I was trying to get a hold of Don to see why he now thinks Fanton is the nurse Dennis was talking about, namely the one who participated in the alien autopsy at the base and then gave him details about it the next day.
David -
I've known about this for years and I believe that Glenn Dennis invented the nurse tale. This would be the third or fourth name that Dennis supplied for the nurse.
As I'm sure you noticed, the article refers to a fictional account posted to the Internet. The content creator admitted as much when we looked at his bio and website.
Kevin, I was responding to the question as to whether Dennis ever revealed the name of the nurse. I said Don Schmitt in public lectures is saying it was Adeline Fanton, who we have known for some time had some sort of relationship with Dennis. Here is a talk he gave from 2019 in Australia where he discusses her, plus Miriam Bush and Mary Lowell, also at times considered possible "Nurse X" candidates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Z2KWi0yEg
1:56:45 Miriam Bush
1:58:40 Glenn Dennis and Adilene Fanton ("...most of you don't know that we identified the nurse even though he provided us with the wrong name. The reason he gave us the wrong name was he was having an affair with her back in 1947.")
2:01:00 Mary Lowell and Glenn Dennis
It sure sounded to me that Don was saying Adilene Fanton was Dennis' "Nurse X", the one who participated in the alien autopsy and then told Dennis about it. I just don't know why he now feels so positively about the ID. Previously in "Witness to Roswell", he and Tom Carey were saying they had to dismiss Dennis' Nurse X story because he had impeached himself by giving out the wrong name.
On the other hand, they never disowned Dennis' story of the child-size casket story from the base, in fact turned up even more witnesses that the base was indeed trying to procure such caskets. Don brings this up again in his lecture right after discussing Adilene Fanton, saying they even tracked down the man and son who picked up the caskets from Amarillo Texas.
Another casket story I recently came across in 2024 was from Barbara Beck, the current publisher of the Roswell Daily Record (or is she still publisher if the RDR was just sold?--segues nicely into your other post about the RDR). As I wrote on my website Glenn Dennis page (www.roswellproof.com/dennis.html) along with other witnesses to the base trying to procure small caskets:
"Very recently, Barbara Beck, current publisher of the Roswell Daily Record, stated that her father, Robert Beck, the publisher since 1955 (but who began with the RDR in Dec. 1947 after marrying the daughter of the previous publisher), told her he knew the Ballard family, who owned Ballard Funeral Home. At some point, Ballard related to him that they received a call from the base at night for four small, child-sized caskets. They were to leave them at the base, but not go inside. Beck's father told her he found the base request really odd, but no explanation was given and he didn't ask questions. She described her father as having served in the military and a no-nonsense businessman. (Related on the CW Network, 2020, "Mysteries Decoded: Roswell Revisited" S1E9, 5:00' in)"
https://www.cwtv.com/series/mysteries-decoded/roswell-revisited/?play=ef0ee23f-9fcb-4934-a1ea-3e1795e7eddb&viewContext=Search%20Page
I gave the link for another witness about the Roswell base small-casket call originally described by Glenn Dennis.
( CW Network, 2020, "Mysteries Decoded: Roswell Revisited" S1E9, 5:00' in)"
https://www.cwtv.com/series/mysteries-decoded/roswell-revisited/?play=ef0ee23f-9fcb-4934-a1ea-3e1795e7eddb&viewContext=Search%20Page
A little off-topic of the Roswell nurse, but this program also delved into the Ramey memo a little bit. As is often the case with these low-budget Roswell documentaries, they treat old news as something they just discovered. Oh, we found the original negative. We'll get it blown up to see what it says.
The program is hosted by Jennifer Marshall and Ryan Sprague, who start discussing the memo at around 7:30'. Marshall says she knows some photoanalysts. Turns out the one she uses is Ben Hansen, who was also one of the speakers at the Roswell festival this year. He is described as a forensic photo-analyst who previously worked for the FBI.
Go to about 25:00'. He shows her a more modern blow-up of the Ramey memo on a screen and first directs her attention to the end of the first paragraph, where she quickly picks out FORT WORTH, TEX. Then he directs her to the next line to the four-letter word in quotes. Marshall quickly picks out "DISC" or "DISK".
Finally Hansen directs her to the first clearest line, the infamous "VICTIMS" line. He asks her to guess at the letters. She quickly picks out VI or YI. Soon she says she can see the rest of the word, but, of course, instead of having her spit it out there, they have to build up the tension as to what she saw. So they skip to where she meets up with Ryan Sprague again at around 31:00'. There she repeats she read FORT WORTH, TEX, "DISC"/"DISK", and she could also "clearly see" the word VICTIMS. Sprague and Marshall then comment that the word "victims" makes no sense if it was just a balloon found or crash test dummies, and why would they need small caskets for dummies anyway?
Marshall is former military, now private investigator, comes off as and declares herself a skeptical, no-nonsense, just-the-facts type person. Yet she quickly came to the same conclusion on these parts of the memo that I and others did ~25 years ago. She ends up not-so-skeptical after investigating.
There are a few other interesting parts. They speak with Roswell geologist Frank Kimbler (also a speaker at this year's festival). See starting 10:30' in. First he shows them an interactive map of where the debris field began and fanned out, with a furrow in the middle where the object allegedly impacted and skipped.
Then he shows them a 1946 USGS aerial survey photo of the debris field area and compares it to one from 1954, the earliest follow-up photo he could find. Where the furrow was supposed to have been, he notes a staircase shaped region from 1954 that isn't there in 1946, and believes them to be bulldozer tracks from the 1947 clean-up, scraping the surface to try to get every last bit of crash debris in the furrow region. (I have wondered if the furrow itself wasn't caused by the cleanup rather than the object impacting the ground, since Marcel insisted he didn't see any impact region and thought the object came apart in the air.)
Kimbler adds that he has found metal fragments along the "dozer" tracks. They take some samples to a lab, but their analysis doesn't show anything anomalous. However, I found the photo changes between 1946 and 1954 to be a real find.
So the usual low-budget documentary fare, but still some interesting material for Roswell fans.
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