Tuesday, December 28, 2021

Glenn Dennis, Naomi Self and David Wagnon

Almost from the moment that Glenn Dennis told his tale of Naomi Self, the nurse who told him about the alien bodies, there has been controversy. Although Dennis had given us the name early in our investigation, and, in fact, provided her name to almost anyone who asked for it, comprehensive searches for her failed to find her. There was simply no documentation to show that Naomi Self had been stationed at Roswell, that there had been no nurse in the US Army at the time with that name, and no evidence that she even existed in this capacity beyond Glenn Dennis’ mind.

Except for the testimony of one man.

David Wagnon.

According to what he told various researchers, and attested to in a signed affidavit, he was assigned to the medical unit, Squadron “M,” in 1947. He said that he had arrived in Roswell in April 1946, as a private first class, and remained there for two years. He said he was a technician in the base hospital laboratory. Interestingly, in his signed affidavit, he said that he recalled nothing about a flying saucer crash but said that he did remember a nurse named Naomi Self assigned to the base hospital.

In his affidavit, he wrote, “She was small, attractive, in her twenties, and, I believe a brunette. I seem to recall that Miss Self was transferred from RAAF while I was still stationed there, but I am not at all certain about this.”

In the next paragraph, Wagnon exposed the lie. He wrote, “Miss Self’s name really stuck with me because it is somewhat unusual and she was dating the local Red Cross representative, who was quite a bit older, probably in his late forties. I do not remember the man’s name, but do recall he had an office in town and was always hanging around Squadron ‘M’ and the emergency room.”

Here's the trouble with this. We know that there was no nurse named Naomi Self. Dennis said he made up the name. He told us he invented the name to protect her identity because he had promised her that he wouldn’t tell anyone who she was. This, of course, was not true. Dennis only said this when confronted with the information that none of us could find any nurse by that name in the Army in the 1940s or practicing in a civilian capacity in Roswell at that time.

Glenn Dennis

In one conversation I had with Dennis, he seemed angry that we hadn’t found the nurse. He said to me, “I gave you the name.” He was telling me that he had given me, and by extension, others, the real name and stuck with that until he was told there was no nurse in Roswell, either military or civilian by the name of Naomi Self. Then he came up with the story that he had made up the name.

I will note here Wagnon is not in the Yearbook nor did I find reference to him in the Unit History. As far as I know he provided no evidence to anyone that he was actually there in 1947, and even if he was, his recollections about Self are invented because no one by that name had been stationed in Roswell in July1947.

Dennis, in the tale he created, said that she had been a good Catholic girl. Wagnon must have missed that because he claimed, in his affidavit, that she’d had an abortion, he believed, at the Brooks Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, which is a major military hospital. Overlooking the fact that Dennis had said she was a good Catholic girl, who wanted to become a nun, the military would not have been performing abortions in 1947.

Wagnon’s tale is not to be believed. It is just another of the many that dot the Roswell landscape. It should be ignored, just as the tale of Naomi Self (or Selff as some have spelled it) should be ignored. None of this is true. 


John Steiger said...

Kevin — Thank you for exposing another Roswell fallacy. The case will only be stronger when we rely on the evidence known to be true.

Paul Young said...

".... the military would not have been performing abortions in 1947."

Nor, I expect, would any self respecting nurse be going around telling some random Private that she had had one.
The sad thing about Dennis is that he didn't live long enough to realise that we all know he was an out and out liar.

starman said...

What motivated Dennis to make all that up? Any clues?

TheDimov said...

I always believed Glenn Dennis and was surprised to hear he was lying about Ms Self. But then, I remember at the time I thought you know, I might have done the very same thing to protect someone, so they wouldnt be harassed. I wouldnt lie now but when i was a bit younger, maybe i would have, especially if they were dead against wanting attention. So I dont know.. I still think Mr Dennis was telling the truth apart from the Ms Self bit. Did he take a polygraph? That would have been interesting..

Capt Steve said...

This really highlights the need for some sort of academic standards to be applied to UFO research, and for these standards to be adhered to by researchers. The model I envision is similar to the difference between an ASE-certified mechanic and the guy who fixes cars in his garage as a side business.

Otherwise I fear we'll be hearing about people searching for Naomi Selff, etc, into the far future.

Lemurian said...



KRandle said...

Lemurian -

Name one lie or shut up.

09rja said...

This really highlights the need for some sort of academic standards to be applied to UFO research, and for these standards to be adhered to by researchers.~Capt Steve

Good luck with that. To give you an idea as to how some of these people think....a few weeks back, I was listening to Coast to Coast AM and they had a UFO writer on there and he started saying this stuff about how he didn't think much of the intellectual capacity of Seth Shostak. (Coming from a guy with a degree in something like journalism.) I had to laugh: Seth has a undergrad in physics from Princeton & a PhD in astrophysics from Caltech. So this gives you an idea as to the "standards" with this stuff.

KRandle said...

Lemurian -

Since you didn't provide any evidence in your last communication here (which I have not posted), don't bother sending any more. They'll just slide off into the delete file.

Paul Young said...

@ The loiterer...
Ah yes, Seth! Poor old Seth!

Chuckle...looking at other galaxies to see if there is life other than that on earth while at the same time the US Navy reports UFO's on practically a daily basis..."swarming their ships" and top fighter pilots reporting other UFO's dropping from 80000 feet to sea level in a second...others reporting UFO's diving beneath the waves...reemerging and leaving their aircraft for dead and appearing at their designated (and secret) rendezvous even before they could hope to get there.

In the meantime, Seth, the career radio ham has got his headphones on saying..."Nope! Heard nowt tonight...maybe tomoz!" :-)

Lemurian said...

Here is the proof


KRandle said...

Lemurian -

Normally, I would have just deleted your comment as useless, but I thought maybe it presents a learning opportunity. Though you would have no way of knowing, but the picture of Bill Brazel on that site, used without permission or attribution, was taken by me in 1989.

Second, if you read the article I posted about June Crain, you would have found that the information presented there was misleading. She didn't work at Wright-Patterson for ten years as suggested, but periodically, for only three years total. She was not working there when any of the UFO crashes happened, so her descriptions are of no value.

So, you have presented no proof, just poorly researched information that is contradicted by documentation that Crain provided to me. Yes, I have the original documents, not to mention the letters that she wrote.

This was just a lame attempt by you to prove a statement you made was accurate. The evidence and documentation proves otherwise.

09rja said...

@ the AA member. Thanks for demonstrating what I am talking about. Yeah, poor Seth....wanting hard evidence to prove one's claims. If only he'd accept the anecdotes and flimsy proof that passes as "evidence" in this field.

I know when I think of credible people....the first guys that pop into my mind are UFO buffs. (Rather than a award winning astrophysicist.)

Paul Young said...

The loiterer... "Yeah, poor Seth....wanting hard evidence to prove one's claims. If only he'd accept the anecdotes and flimsy proof that passes as "evidence" in this field."

Is it flimsy proof when top of the range military pilots, who's life depends on their expertise with IFF (Identification, Friend or Foe)...come across things like the tic tac?

Is it flimsy proof when these pilots see these things with their eyeballs...other pilots see the same thing, as well...and these things also are corroborated by not only the aircraft's radar but the ship's radars as well?
I find it hilarious that poor old Seth has wasted decades listening in to remote parts of our galaxy when these things are flying around the coast of Virginia on a daily basis. (according to US navy pilots)

I notice that in Seth's recent interviews...he's no where near as smug as he once was. :-)