For those interested,
yes, I did sit through the whole UFO, I mean UAP, Congressional Hearing. And,
no, unlike so many of my colleagues, I was unimpressed. I heard and saw nothing
new here. I knew days ago, who the witnesses would be, and hoped that some of
David Grusch’s sources would be revealed. With hints about sources, we could
have begun the process of verification but without them, we just have some
interesting tales that might be more fiction than fact.
|The Hearing Room and the witnesses, back to the camera.
Here are some of the
things that I noticed. There was a great deal of talk about transparency, but
little talk about sources, sightings or results. There was a great deal of talk
about national security, and most of us could figure out what that meant.
Revelation that the US was in possession of alien spacecraft, or rather proof
of that, could certainly affect national security. Our competitors in world
would fear what we might learn about the operation of alien spacecraft and what
sort of an advantage that would give us.
Representative Glenn Grothman,
who chaired the panel asked if the witnesses thought that UAP pose a threat to
|Hearing chair, Rep. Glenn Grothman.
Commander David Fravor,
the Navy pilot involved with the tic-tac sighting said, “Yes, and here’s why.
The technology we faced was far superior to anything that we had… if you have
one and you reversed engineered one, you could go into space, go someplace,
drop down in a matter of seconds and do whatever it wants and leaves and there
is nothing we can do about it.”
Grothman asked about
what kind of information is being hidden. Grusch, the alleged whistleblower
said, “I can speak to that briefly in an unclassified matter…” But said nothing
that he hadn’t said before and offered nothing in the way of evidence for his
Grusch was the one I
wanted to hear and he was asked, finally, about the US having UAPs (he meant
alien spacecraft) and said, “Absolutely, after interviewing over 40 witnesses
over four years, I know the exact locations and those locations were supplied
to the Inspector General… I actually had some people with first-hand knowledge
provide protected disclosure to the Inspector General…”
|David Grusch testifying in front of the Committee.
Which, of course, told
us nothing that we didn’t know. As I have said, repeatedly, Don Schmitt, Tom
Carey and I have talked with first-hand witnesses and we didn’t suggest it was
information that couldn’t be shared in an open forum. We named names, cited
locations, and even have some documentation related to all this.
Representative Tim Burchett
asked if anyone had been harmed and Grusch said, “Yes, personally.” But it
seemed that he was referring to interference with his job and bullying by his
superiors. He said, “It was very brutal and very unfortunate, some of the
tactics used to hurt me both professionally and personally.”
|Representative Tim Burchett asking questions.
Again, Don, Tom and I
have interviewed many people who reported they had been threatened. We
specifically mentioned threats related to the Roswell UFO crash that included
members of the military, the sheriff and several civilians. All documented in
the various books that include names and dates. Just this month, I reviewed one
of those cases when I spoke to Tim Saunders about what his father, Patrick
Saunders had told him. You can read all that here:
Burchett asked if he
knew of anyone having been murdered. Grusch said, “I have to be careful
answering that question. I directed people with the that knowledge to the appropriate
authorities.” He said he was willing to discuss this in a closed environment,
but gave us no hints about who that might have been killed, when the murder or
murders might have happened, and where the investigation now stood.
Grusch continued in
this vein throughout the hearing. He was asked for specifics, provided none,
but suggested he would get into that in closed hearings. So much for
Representative Jared Moskowitz
asked if he, Grusch, had met with people with a direct knowledge of non-human
craft. Grusch said that he had personally interviewed those individuals. Again,
Don, Tom, and I can say the same thing, citing specific generals and colonels,
all of whom can be placed in positions to have witnessed these things. We
talked with former counterintelligence agents (later Air Force OSI agents who
had direct knowledge). We have also talked with civilians who had specific and
direct knowledge such as Bill Brazel.
Moskowitz followed up
by asking about crash sites and crash imagery. Grusch said, “I can’t go beyond
what I have already stated publicly.” I thought that was a nice dodge of the
question. This was the sort of thing that interested me, but each time someone
had approached specifics, the answer was the same. Can’t go into it beyond what
he had already said.
In what was an
important question that I think was missed by many, Rep. Burchett asked about
when the US became aware of these alien craft. Grusch said, “I like to use the
term non-human (who really cares what you like). I don’t like to denote origin.
It keeps the aperture open both scientifically and (he trailed off here and
didn’t finish that thought)” and then said, “Like I have discussed publicly,
This is a reference to
the 1933 Italian crash, which colleagues in Italy have said is a hoax. I will
note that even if true, the US wouldn’t have learned about it until the
mid-1940s. I did a longer post on it and you can read it here:
Now we come to the
nitty gritty. Burchett asked for the names and the titles of the people with
direct first-hand knowledge about crash retrievals. And Grusch said, ‘I can’t
discuss that publicly, but I did provide that information to both the intel
committees and the Inspector General.”
This was what I had
waited for. Names, organizations, maybe even a date or two but Grusch provided
nothing other than that vague reference to the 1930s. He had said all this
While Ryan Graves, the
other Navy pilot talked about interviewing some thirty other pilots about their
encounters (without providing any names) he did mention a big sighting at
Edwards Air Force Base by Boeing engineers and contractors. I mention this only
because I didn’t want to leave him out. He was the third witness who didn’t add
much to what we already knew about his experiences.
I suppose I should
mention that I had written, in The Washington Nationals, a book about
the sightings of UFOs over Washington, D.C., information about pilot sightings
at that time, including interviews with Air Force pilots involved in attempted
intercepts of UFOs. Again, complete with names, locations and other source
And, of course, the
Project Blue Book files are filled with the names of pilots who had reported
UFOs. Since the end of Blue Book, hundreds of other pilots have reported seeing
UFOs. In fact, I interviewed a man who had been an alternative pilot on Air
Force One during the Kennedy administration who told me that he had seen a
domed disk flying off the wing of his fighter in the years before he had flown
Air Force One.
Finally, I mention this
only because it was so jarring. Representative Eric Burlison wondered how these
craft could travel billions of light years and then crash. It seemed to boggle
his mind that a race that could conquer interstellar flight would end up
crashing. Of course, they really didn’t have to travel billions of light years.
The closest star system to Earth is a mere 4.1 light years away. And yes, the
technology that would allow travel across that distance is still beyond our
capability but his point was irrelevant.
In the end, we heard
more about transparency and national security, and there were even some
questions about black funding that had little to do with the purpose of the
hearing. We didn’t get any specifics that we didn’t already have and we learned
nothing that we didn’t already know… except that Grusch sticks with the 1933
Italian crash. Someone should tell him that it might just be a hoax and he
should forget about it.